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Ted Turner Says Coal, Oil Industries Need 'A Good A** Kicking'

Ted Turner

First Posted: 05/24/11 06:47 PM ET Updated: 07/24/11 06:12 AM ET

ANAHEIM, C.A. -- Philanthropist and CNN founder Ted Turner has turned his sights to renewable energy -- and he had some fighting words for the wind industry at the kickoff to its annual convention on Monday.

Turbine manufacturers and clean energy utilities can't sit idly by while the coal industry touts its "clean coal" plan and oil companies flood the airwaves, Turner said. He noted that he had "nightmares" caused by clean coal advertisements.

Wind energy companies, which created a quarter of the nation's new electricity capacity last year, need to fight back, Turner said.

"Let's go out and kick their asses. That's what they need, a good ass-kicking," Turner told the group assembled for the American Wind Energy Association's conference. He was speaking in an unscripted conversation with the group's CEO, Denise Bode.

So far, Turner hasn't found it feasible to build large-scale wind operations on his own vast land holdings in the American West, but he hopes to change that soon.

Turner acknowledged that wind energy faces an uphill battle, with critical tax credits expiring over the next two years and formidable push-back from carbon-based energy producers. The political calculus is particularly tricky in coal country, as Turner illustrated with an anecdote about a conversation he said he had with Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.):

"I'm a good friend and admirer of Jay Rockefeller, the senator from West Virginia," Turner said. "I lobbied him, a year or so ago, and he said, 'Ted, I can't go against coal.' He said, 'I can't. It's the biggest employer in my state.' He said, 'I do a lot of good work in other areas, you're just going to have to give me a bye on this one.'"

Rockefeller's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Rockefeller voted for the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, which included cash grants for renewable energy projects, but he has also pledged to put a halt to the EPA's attempts to tighten climate regulations.

The only way advocates of wind power and other renewable resources like solar power will overcome such staunch opposition, Turner believes, is by committing their own money to public relations and lobbying.

Turner seemed particularly pleased that one of his oldest adversaries, General Electric, could be critical in that effort. GE owned NBC -- a competitor of Turner's cable empire -- from 1986 until this year. GE is now the largest producer of wind turbines in the United States.

"I fought against GE my whole life and now I'm pulling for 'em," Turner told the crowd to applause and laughter.

Turner believes renewable energy is critical for avoiding disruptive climate change over the next century -- but he also thinks global warming is already behind events like the tornado that tore through Missouri over the weekend.

Such severe weather is being caused, Turned said, "by the heating up of the atmosphere because of the goddamned carbon dioxide."

"I'd rather have a nuclear than a coal plant built, because one might kill ya and the other one will for sure. But wind doesn't kill anybody," Turner added.

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12:49 PM on 06/16/2011
Oil, coal and nuclear energy get more expensive by the day. Wind and solar are dropping in price very dramatically with increased research and development and economies of scale taking place.

Wind, solar, wave energy, geothermal and second generation biofuels made from algae, cellulose and waste are the future.

Nuclear has given us Fukishima and Chernobyl which poisoned the air, water, land and food.
Oil has given us the Exxon Valdez and BP spill in the Gulf damaging the economy and the environment.
Coal has given us the Massey coal mine disaster with lives lost and environmental destruction.

It is time to transition to safe, clean alternative energy.
04:54 PM on 05/30/2011
Wind, actually, kills more per unit of energy than any conventional source of energy. But then facts never did get in the way of an oaf and his soundbite.
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Robco1
07:47 PM on 06/07/2011
Certainly hasn't slowed you down any. Coal is the biggest killer, but don't let that get in the way of your little puppet show... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12401247

"Whatever you do, you must keep a wary eye. By all means, read the sites that deny the reality of climate change. But then check on www.sourcewatch.org to see who paid for those opinions. Read the DeSmogBlog. Don't accept the word of people who pass themselves off as "skeptics." Be skeptical yourself. Ask yourself what motive the scientific community has to gang up and invent a phony climate crisis. Compare that to the motives that ExxonMobil or Peabody Coal might have to deny that burning fossil fuels indiscriminately could change irrevocably our existence on the planet."

"And if you still leave the lights on when you're done, make sure they're shining in the shamed faces of the PR pros who are still trying to prevent sound, sensible policy change to affect this, perhaps the biggest threat humankind has ever faced."
http://www.desmogblog.com/slamming-the-climate-skeptic-scam
09:30 AM on 05/30/2011
More trough-snouting from someone with vested interests on the renewables gravy train - he's given that away with his unfortunate admission that adverts for cleaner coal give him nightmares. If his financial interest was in cleaner coal, it'd be something else like shale gas giving him nightmares instead.

His clearly erroneous assertion that wind power doesn't kill indicates he is either ignorant or dishonest. And the strident tone of his "a**-kicking" rally-cry to his acolytes smacks of the desperation being shown by a lot of the AGW brigade as the curtain gets pulled further and further back, exposing their scam bit by bit.
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Robco1
01:16 PM on 06/02/2011
Peddle your nonsense after you can explain this:

The PR firm's memo outlining how they plan to take the astroturf attack on science model they developed for big tobacco and sell it to big oil and coal, then export the model to Europe: http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2024233595-3602.html

The 1998 API memo showing how big oil's trade association sells the very same model to its stakeholders: http://www.heatisonline.org/contentserver/objecthandlers/index.cfm?ID=4466
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Aerin Gael
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05:29 PM on 06/11/2011
what on Earth are you talking about? "he's given that away with his unfortunat­e admission that adverts for cleaner coal give him nightmares­". There is a deluge of ads by the oil, gas and coal companies. They are spending millions to try to propel us backwards. I too get nightmares thinking about the damage they are doing. Not only are they wasting their own money with these ads, we will all have to pay to undo their damage.
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realpolitic
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02:47 AM on 05/29/2011
Turner is right of course. Clean coal is a fiction. Renewable energies should make their case to the public and fight for federal subsidies.
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07:15 PM on 05/28/2011
what about natural gas ? considering all the pollution from fracking n gas is just as dirty as coal....
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ShamsT
The door has opened, so there's no escape...
04:13 PM on 05/28/2011
"I'd rather have a nuclear than a coal plant built, because one might kill ya and the other one will for sure. But wind doesn't kill anybody,"

Obviously Ted Turner has never lived next to a wind farm. The effect on human life and health can be devastating. It's not only noise level but the lower frequency sound pressure waves emitted by wind turbines that can have profound effects on human health.

Even most wind proponents (except Ted Turner) admit that the mortality rate of wind energy is roughly equivalent to that of mining, processing, and burning of coal to generate electricity. Windmills have reportedly caused 651 accidents, 61 deaths, from blade and ice-throw, fires, etc..
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07:16 PM on 05/28/2011
delusional....
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StephenBP
What's he building in there?
07:58 PM on 05/28/2011
Right… and unburned benzene and ethylbenzene and toluene and xylene and all that crap from inefficient fossil fuel combustion has no effect on health, does it..living next to a freeway has no effect on health does it… living down wind of a coal fired plant has not effect on health.. the noise of Harley Davidson’s has no effect on health of people with various neurological or psychological disorders, does it…there is not human health effect from the stress of knowing that your country is ruled by short sighted Republicans who have been bought by big oil..having asthma on the east coast doesn’t condemn you to a lifetime of summer agony from ground level ozone caused by cars and power plants, does it….
Now what was that you were saying low frequency sound pressure wave from wind turbines?
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ShamsT
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08:49 PM on 05/28/2011
I was addressing Ted Turner's claim that "wind doesn't kill anybody". That's obviously not true.

Wind energy has major health and environmental issues and is not the "be all and end all" in energy generation. It has it's place as a minor part of a nation's energy mix but can't reliably provide baseload generation.

So what would you propose to replace today's coal power plants with? It certainly can't be wind, solar or biomass - they're not baseload generators and are too variable and unreliable to count on, at least with current technology.
03:38 PM on 05/27/2011
As an example of our state of WV. We have around 18,000 coal miners, but we have 40,000 unionized construction workers, 56,000 in the steel industry, 80,000 in travel tourism, the list goes on. The coal industry has almost the same amount of people as the IT industry has in our state. But we have people like our senator who believe coal is king. We are also told coal provides most of the tax base. But our governors own office has it listed at about 8 or 9 on tax revenues the state receives. The largest of which is sales tax and property tax which make up about half our income year income.
02:23 PM on 05/26/2011
HYPOCRITE - He made his billions in industries that were and still are underpinned by the cheap electricy that coal and petroleum provide. To now say that coal and petroleum need to be eliminated is the rankest form of hypocrisy I can think of.

Oh and for his comment "wind doesn't kill anybody" he obviously doesn't check his facts it has killed hundreds of geese and other migratory waterfowl in Texas alone and maintenance workers in Oklahoma and Texas. If he want's to combate carbon so badly why doesn't he put his money where his mouth is and plant tree's, millions of them, all over the world? Why because that would cut into his Private Jet, Limo and Lobbying budget. Big Fat HYPOCRITE!
07:45 PM on 05/26/2011
No Muttley - Ted Turner is willing to change his power sources.
We ALL grew up on benefits of cheap oil. Just times are a changing.
Helloise
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09:19 AM on 05/27/2011
It's fascinating to me that people who skew right believe in forgiveness, but not in redemption ie they believe they can be "saved", but that it's a sin to change your ways or your mind. Hence, they are truly terrified of anyone capable of taking in new information, processing it and coming to a different conclusion and their contempt for such people crosses party lines. It doesn't matter if it's Ted Turner of David Stockman, they represent a huge threat to their rigid view of the universe.
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02:45 AM on 05/29/2011
Is Ted Turner to blame because his television signal was brought into our homes by conventional power sources? Of course not! The right likes to say everyone who chimes in for clean energy is a hypocrite. Ted has plans to introduce wind energy to his vast land holdings. Therefore, he is acting consistently with his environmental consciousness. The far right thinks everyone on the left is hypocritical unless they go out and plant millions of trees, just because they do not want to hear the messenger or the message. Your post is a humorous example of the selective outrage of the right.
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Sandra Lawson
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02:08 PM on 05/26/2011
Gotta love Ted Turner, he says it like it is
11:41 AM on 05/26/2011
Great article and good work Ted Turner.
West Virginia - coal is yesterday's big employer. It has had its day - save it for plastics.
Redirect workers into design, manufacture and installation of wind and solar.
We didn't stop progress to keep horses, farriers, grooms and coach builders in work.
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Mando1
08:46 AM on 05/26/2011
You have to just love him for saying this!! "Clean Coal" my ass......just because you say it again and again doesn't make it true.
07:19 AM on 05/26/2011
We all need to remember one thing: Turner owns MILLIONS of acres in the American West, which is the prime real estate for wind generation.

So let's take a moment and question Turner's motivations. I really think Turner is focused on green...GREEN AS IN UNITED STATES DOLLARS.
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08:09 AM on 05/26/2011
There is not a thing wrong with making money. I hope he makes a mint with green energy. I hope a lot of people do.
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dustyoh
09:26 AM on 05/26/2011
Why is it that no one ever criticizes Republicans for being greedy capitalists, but the Democratic capitalists like Turner, Sorros, and Buffet are constantly criticized. If Turner can make money on something that can help the environmental mess we're in - bless him.
11:46 AM on 05/28/2011
Because they lie about their motivation
Dayne
People are people
05:13 PM on 05/28/2011
Uhhh . . . hhmmmmm . . . I think it's a daily occurrence. More often than not I see people defending and attacking people based more on party lines than principles.

Dayne
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SimpleCity
04:01 AM on 05/26/2011
I believe the scientific data, and I'm convinced that if we aren't kinder to Mother Nature she will open the "Gore Hole" and kill us all.
I'm an old man, but I fear for our children.
They deserve better and we are letting them down.
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mrhandyman3105
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01:38 AM on 05/26/2011
Step up to the plate Ted. Step up to the plate and put your money where your mouth is.
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madgrrl
11:29 PM on 05/25/2011
Go Ted! These dinosaur energy companies are holding us back from progress.