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Google, Tres Amigas Aim To Fix America's Electrical Grid With Novel Technologies

First Posted: 05/27/11 05:03 PM ET Updated: 07/27/11 06:12 AM ET

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Anaheim, Calif. -- During the American wind industry's annual convention this week, two of the boldest proposals for the future of renewable industry didn’t involve bigger or better turbines. They're instead focusing on the comparatively unsexy issue of America’s creaking electricity grid. The Internet giant Google and an upstart New Mexico-based company called Tres Amigas want to transform the way power gets from wind farms and solar power arrays to your house.

Both plans rely heavily on unproven technologies: Google and other investors plan to build a 350-mile long undersea cable off the Atlantic coast, while Tres Amigas wants to create a 22-square mile superconductor “Superstation” to synchronize the nation's three major electrical grids.

As the U.S. becomes more and more energy-hungry, the country needs more generating capacity. And with most Americans resistant to new projects anywhere near cities and suburbs, new plants need to be placed far away from population centers to win approval. Google’s backbone could open up hundreds of miles of ocean territory for offshore wind farms, and the Tres Amigas project would open up wind and solar projects in remote parts of New Mexico and Texas.

Both of these projects are taking place within a larger push to improve the American antiquated electrical grid, said Peter Fox-Penner, a principal at The Brattle Group, a consulting firm that worked on the Google-supported project's application to federal regulators.

“All segments of the industry are building more transmission now,” Fox-Penner told HuffPost. “Primarily to integrate renewable into the grid, abut also for reliability and other reasons.”

Google's support for the Atlantic Wind Connection -- a 37.5 percent stake -- could be a good public relations move for a company that relies on energy-sucking data centers to run its core business. According to an estimate in Harper's, just one data center "can be expected to demand about 103 megawatts of electricity -- enough to power 82,000 homes, or a city the size of Tacoma, Washington." Environmental organization Greenpeace has dinged the company for not relying enough on renewables (while acknowledging that it performed far better than some tech companies, like Apple).

So far Google has invested a total of $400 million in clean energy projects. Google says it is pursuing the projects both because they make good business sense and because they make the company more environmentally responsible.

The Atlantic Wind Connection project is still at an early stage, and no one knows if Google and its co-investors can pull it off. One of the project’s lead developers has said the scheme is "about as risky as you can get." The engineering challenges of laying all the cables and connecting them to both wind farms and the grid on land are daunting -- and Google isn’t even proposing to build any wind farms itself. Offshore wind is still a young segment of the industry, and no project at this scale has yet been completed: Google’s plan would create development opportunities for up to 6,000 megawatts of power when all of Europe, the world leader in offshore wind, only has about half that many megawatts online.

The project got good news last week when the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission approved a 12.59 percent profit rate, but other federal and state regulators still need to weigh in. And while Google says the project, which is 22 miles off the coast, is far enough off-shore to ensure that any offshore wind farms that sprout up along the electricity backbone aren’t a visual nuisance, the long saga of the Cape Wind project shows just how tenacious seashore dwellers can be about their ocean views.

Watch Google’s Rick Needham, the company’s green business operations director, explain the Atlantic Wind Connection and Google’s green energy plans.

Building a wind farm on land is less technically challenging than building one far offshore, but it still has to connect into the grid somehow. America's grid is so balkanized that when the wind is blowing hard in Texas and electricity is cheap there, California utilities can't buy the cheap power and pass the savings along to customers.

While grid difficulties are not unique to renewable energy, the sector has the most to gain from improvements because wind and solar depend on the weather and thus need to be able to send their extra energy across large distances as flexibly as possible to balance out supply fluctuations, experts say.

Tres Amigas is trying to connect the western, eastern and Texas power grids -- an idea the federal government proposed but failed to execute in the 1950s -- with a $1 billion plus project that could ultimately send 30 gigawatts zooming across the country.

Because the three grids don't quite operate on the same frequency, Tres Amigas would use novel technology to synchronize the electricity: superconducting high-voltage direct current cables and new computer programs. Power would first need to be converted from AC to DC, then whipped around the superstation on the superconducting cables and finally be converted back to AC to be shipped off to another grid. The company that makes the high-tech cables, American Superconductor, is an important investor in the project, but it has recently weathered fire for management problems.

The market for this plan, though, remains untested. Texas in particular seems reluctant to open up its grid -- and its wind farms -- over fears of utility bill increases. The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, moreover, cautioned Tres Amigas last March over the lack of detail in its applications.

The man behind Tres Amigas, however, is optimistic -- CEO Phil Harris plans to break ground this year on the first part of the project, which will transmit a few gigawatts between the three grids. The final superstation plans to be able to transfer around 30 gigawatts.

See Tres Amigas founder and CEO Phil Harris talk about the project.

Even if these splashy projects never get off the ground, the push towards renewable -- now mandated by many state laws -- means the U.S. will likely need many more transmission lines in the future.

“There's the highest activity probably in the history of the country right now,” said Fox-Penner.

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Anaheim, Calif. -- During the American wind industry's annual convention this week, two of the boldest proposals for the future of renewable industry didn’t involve bigger or better turbines. They'r...
Anaheim, Calif. -- During the American wind industry's annual convention this week, two of the boldest proposals for the future of renewable industry didn’t involve bigger or better turbines. They'r...
 
 
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09:38 PM on 05/31/2011
By positioning the Tres Amigas project between primary US energy producers Canada and Mexico, Tres Amigas could profit quite handily assuming that Canada and Mexico can continue to supply carbon based power to the US at a rate and price that keeps the US economy viable through ongoing economic expansion.

The problem is that there are not enough tar sands in Canada, nor oil in Mexico, to support 'sustainable' and ongoing expansion of US energy supplies and economic growth.

At some point we all have to stop growing populations and economies. The question is when? Honestly, war and famine over energy, food, and water; or admit that the game is up with economic imperialism and time to move on towards a steady state solution.

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Vell, he's just zis guy, you know?
12:23 PM on 05/31/2011
"Texas in particular seems reluctant to open up its grid -- and its wind farms -- over fears of utility bill increases."

Really Texas? What happened to free market, supply-side economics? You are creating surplus supply yet you don't want to sell it off? Afraid that it will create more demand and more jobs? This is exactly what is wrong with conservatism - it is all about short-sightedly looking out for number one and letting something go to waste rather than putting it to good use. United we Stand, unfortunately we are already divided and clueless about the fact that we are falling.
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spriddler
03:34 PM on 05/31/2011
The real issue is they don't want to put up with the FERC anymore than they have to.
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ken607
Nothing natural about gas,nothing clean about coal
07:06 AM on 05/31/2011
republicans are against it.
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mitchpeter
12:07 PM on 05/30/2011
I'm glad someone is trying something, the entire country at the mercy of 3 power grids will spell doom one day soon.
06:13 AM on 05/30/2011
Google is losing focus.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
05:31 AM on 05/30/2011
Since the intergrid links are short, there's no need for superconducting cables. Regular cables would be fine.
09:24 PM on 05/31/2011
No, "regular cables" would not be fine. The three grids are out of phase and the solution is to homologate input current in DC and redistribute in IGBT synchronized AC output.

DC homologation also allows for on-site bulk energy storage for peak load management purposes.

Pumping DC through "regular cables" would result in near complete transmission induction losses. Cat 5 DC data interconnect [LAN] twisted pair cables are twisted (at different rates) for a reason, inductive losses.

Technicalities aside, where are the environmental resources (coal, oil) for generating the next 30 gigawatts coming from?

Seems like a bit of a pipe dream.
01:28 AM on 05/30/2011
The primary worry to Texas is that it will lose its independence from the rest of the grid. It is currently not regulated by FERC in the ERCOT region of Texas and this has been good for Texas over the years. Even today it allows for quicker building of wind farms and transmission lines. Thexas is currently spending over 5 billion dollars in order to build transmission lines capable of carrying 18 GWs of electricity from the western part of the state to the populated areas in central and east Texas. All lines will be operational in two years. Last year, for the first time Texas led the nation in total non-hydro renewable energy generation, even beating California according to the EIA. So the real question is why would Texas want to slow down and let the rest of the pack catchup by submitting itself to Federal jurisdiction?
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Dave McRae
04:04 PM on 05/30/2011
ERCOT is under FERC already, I'm prett sure.
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spriddler
03:38 PM on 05/31/2011
I think there is a very large degree of independence. One of my closest friends works as a regulatory economist for a North American power company and Texas is one of their responsibilities. If I remembering correctly avoiding interstate commerce in electricity largely keeps TX out of the fed's jurisdiction.
charles77
Just the Facts Please
01:33 PM on 06/03/2011
No, ERCOT is Texas only and does not cross state lines.
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Mikeeee
Did god apologize to you today?
10:42 PM on 05/29/2011
Can you imagine if you converted all the coal/gas generating plants to hydrogen. Instead of carbon exhaust you're getting water as the exhaust. I wonder what happens to the water shortage America is facing if you start producing it as a byproduct of electrical generation?
12:42 AM on 05/30/2011
oh please. These days, hydrogen comes mostly from natural gas, and its separate results in CO2 emissions. If you were to produce hydrogen from water using clean electricity, in the end you would not get any more water out of it than you started with.
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Mikeeee
Did god apologize to you today?
03:20 AM on 05/30/2011
I'm sorry, you'll have to clarify for me, how much water is in the exhaust of a gas/coal fired generation plant? Zero you say? Is there water in the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans? Or have we stopped trying to create new ideas to solve our energy dilemma? Maybe we shouldn't have tried going to the moon either. You people with no vision or courage to tackle a problem always amaze me.
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Draekia
Open-minded thinker and traveller
10:33 PM on 05/30/2011
And that's a good thing. If we can re-use and recycle that water efficiently enough, we'd have a self-sustaining system.
04:29 AM on 05/30/2011
The only problem is, hydrogen does not grow on trees.
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ken607
Nothing natural about gas,nothing clean about coal
07:12 AM on 05/31/2011
hydrogen is the most abundant gas in the universe. by far. and can be extracted from almost any liquid. like WATER. even salt water. so it is easy to produce.
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Mikeeee
Did god apologize to you today?
10:38 PM on 05/29/2011
Hydrogen is the dirty little secret in the room, but nobody wants to talk about it, because it would absolutely and irrevocably kill coal/gas/oil as fuels. So all the coal/gas/oil companies make token gestures of being green and support solar/wind/hydrothermal projects with small gratuitous sums of money because they "really" do not want anyone spending big $'s on hydrogen development and supply outlets.
04:33 AM on 05/30/2011
Hydrogen is nice in theory, but too difficult/expensive to store, transport and only liquid below -425°F.
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nirek
Proud progressive Vietnam vet. against WAR
07:09 AM on 05/30/2011
All those problems could be overcome with some effort.
It takes some thinking like separating hydrogen from water using solar power . We have lakes rivers and oceans full of water. we could use hydrogen if we put in the work.
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ken607
Nothing natural about gas,nothing clean about coal
07:19 AM on 05/31/2011
not a theory. but fact. yes its the storage thats the problem but if you produce only what you need a the time no need for storage. and its not expensive at all to extract the gas. low voltage still produces alot of hho. thats the preffered method, low vlotage say 3 or four volts.
QuantProgrammer
Cap welfare benefits at two kids.
07:55 PM on 05/29/2011
A huge electrical generation project off the east coast? Building large unnatural aluminum structures that kill seagulls?

Call Greenpeace's NIMBY and BANANA (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything) boats!
08:50 PM on 05/29/2011
You are absolutely right. We need to stop thinking about human societies problems and focus on the possible extinction of certain plants and animals. As of date I don't think anyone has come up with a way to produce perpetual energy. Well I have a design for device that could possible power a whole city such as probably Pittsburgh that is the size of a small office building the would leave off no fumes, no toxic waste, and no bad environmental elements in anyway. The only problem is the money to actually build it to present to the government and the time for for people to listen to me lol. But in the end it would lower electric price to almost nothing because it would run for eons without huge amounts of maintance and we wouldn't have to keep paying people to kill the trees that give us life, but what do I know, I am not a money hungry government BABY (LOL) but concerned human.
01:16 AM on 05/30/2011
"We need to stop thinking about human societies problems" this misplaced focus on conservationism will be our undoing. Until we solve IMPORTANT issues like poverty and human rights how can we ever expect people on the verge of starvation and dehydration to look their dying children in the eyes and come to the conclusion that selling the mineral rights to the oil under their land, or practicing slash and farming is not a necessity. The cycle of poverty must be broken before any advancements can begin. Encouraging renewables and energy efficient is fantastic, especially when done by focusing on R
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drkazmd65
Mom Taught me - Question Everything - Thanks Mom!
05:12 PM on 05/29/2011
Well - at least somebody is thinking 'big' as regards our energy generation/energy movement issues.

It's going to take a leap of financial faith from somebody with deep pockets and time to wait on a ROI - Google has pretty deep pockets,... but do they have the patience to wait for generation capacity to catch up with the infrastructure that they propose to build?

Stay tuned folks.
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danglines
03:16 PM on 05/29/2011
I hope their idea can get past greedy people and achieve success. This would be a major improvement in the infrastructure of this nation. Something the republicans despise.
02:19 PM on 05/29/2011
Phil Harris at Tres Amigas has it exactly wrong----we DO NOT want private business controlling/owning ANY of our 'essentials' (power, water, transportation, etc).

Those essentials need to be STATE-owned assets so they can be protected (and cost less).
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danglines
03:17 PM on 05/29/2011
One step at a time.
08:54 PM on 05/29/2011
your right in all but we have the technology for unlimited power that doesn't have to cost billions or millions of dollars to produce. we have always had the tech from the beginning of time and i know if i, a normal hard working citizen, could figure this out why hasn't the government scientists done the same. aren't we supposed to be moving forward and not backwards.

money is not the answer!!!
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02:19 PM on 05/29/2011
Congratulations. You've found a way to repackage Enron. Just put the names Google, green and planet on it. It's still a middle-man producing nothing of value but trying so hard to get their unmerited piece of the american pie.
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OneEarthling
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07:49 PM on 05/29/2011
Building a superstation that physically connects the three major grids is something. Building a backbone system is something. These are not brokers like Enron.
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11:32 PM on 05/29/2011
Maybe you believe them. maybe a high-tech meter is progress. Maybe it's all a bad dream.
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02:06 PM on 05/29/2011
Everybody wants a piece of you. These people pretend to be good for the planet but they just want a piece of you. They produce nothing, manufacture nothing but intend to resell what you already pay for. They are middlemen whose only interest is taking.