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More Water On The Moon Than Previously Thought: New Findings Challenge Moon's Creation Theories

Water On The Moon

The Huffington Post   First Posted: 05/27/11 03:34 PM ET Updated: 07/27/11 06:12 AM ET

When scientists discovered water on the moon in 2009 it seemed like a big step, but it may have been just the beginning of a deeper look into the origins of the rock that orbits earth.

It turns out there may be 100 times more water in lunar magma than was previously thought. According to the journal Science, these new calculations may shed light on just how the moon came to be.

NASA first discovered water on the moon by crashing a rocket into the crater Cabeus and taking up-close measurements. According to Bloomberg, that find suggested there may be 1 billion gallons of water on the moon, which may have come from meteors or comets.

But the new study, which essentially recalculates the amount of water with a more accurate equation, shows there may be 1 billion Cabeus craters worth of water, and that the liquid may be trapped in the moon's interior.

The most widely acknowledged present theory of the moon's creation states that a Mars-sized body likely collided with a not-fully-formed proto-Earth, blasting material into orbit. Simulations have shown that much of the moon may have come from whatever collided with the proto-planet, and not the Earth itself. These new findings cast a bit of doubt on these theories.

From Bloomberg:

The findings suggest that the impact from a Mars-sized body that formed the moon was either much hotter or much cooler than previously thought. If the moon impact was cooler, then some material including water wasn’t molten and was locked in the lunar interior.

If there was more energy, then the rocks boiled and created a temporary atmosphere, Hauri said. While the atmosphere would have been dense and short-lived, it might have allowed the still-forming Earth and moon to exchange water.

“The presence of water tells you how much potential it has to sustain life,†Hauri said.

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When scientists discovered water on the moon in 2009 it seemed like a big step, but it may have been just the beginning of a deeper look into the origins of the rock that orbits earth. It turns out...
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flipacoin
Heads they win, tails we lose.
08:28 PM on 05/31/2011
Another theory of science is found wrong and revised. Oh yawn. Our oceans and moon's water came in on comets.
"Daddy, I need a drink of water!"
"Sorry, son. We have to wait on a comet to come."
"That could take forever!"
As a creationist, I am not impressed with your theories. Must be twenty revisions every year. I will stick with the "Let there be..." account.
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SolarArray
Republican = Trash America, Any Cost
02:40 AM on 05/31/2011
If you want to know, ask Bill O'Reilly.
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Fnordpocalypse
THEY LIVE - WE SLEEP
11:54 AM on 05/31/2011
Can"t explain that!
11:26 AM on 05/29/2011
It is formed of yellow cheese, just like the religious fundamentalists claim.
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BannedInBoston
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
12:53 PM on 05/29/2011
That's green cheese. Please get your facts straight....
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
05:34 PM on 05/29/2011
It was yellow, but, it aged.
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HLL
Women, their rights & nothing less ~ SusanBAnthony
10:59 AM on 05/29/2011
I was watching "Star Trek: First Contact" last night (I'm a Trekkie ;-) and at one point Riker says, "There are 60 million people living on the moon in our century [the 24th]." I thought that was so cool and here's evidence it could be so. I love how Gene Roddenberry imagined the future ☮
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enigma2
Enigmas are enigmatic..
11:13 AM on 05/29/2011
Aha! Now I know why we have such mutual admiration for each other. I am a huge huge Sci-Fi fan..I wonder if we should even attempt to terraform the moon, if we grow an ecosystem there how would it affect the over dynamics between the two bodies of mass. Gene Roddenberry was a man born out of time, imagine where we would be if not for his visions, turning science fiction into science fact is truly a marvelous thing.
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HLL
Women, their rights & nothing less ~ SusanBAnthony
11:24 AM on 05/29/2011
Mornin' enigma ;-) LOL! I'm totally a Sci Fi fan. There were 2 very important Sci-Fi offerings in the '60s: The first was Stanley Kubrick's "2001: A Space Odyssey" that defined how we look at Space on film. Do you realize that? Before Kubrick we looked at Space in a hokey way, after Kubrick, not even George Lucas changed how we perceive space and spacecraft visually. Thank you, Mr. Kubrick. And he began work on that film in 1964, if you can believe. What a visionary. Then there was the great Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek and his extraordinary imagining of an Earth at peace, a humanity only seeking to better itself and a Star Ship, Enterprise, boldly going to discover new civilizations where no one had gone before. Amazing. Wishing you a great day ♥ ☮
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BannedInBoston
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
01:00 PM on 05/29/2011
It would probably be next to impossible to terraform the Moon without a technology that's light-years (so to speak) ahead of ours. For one thing, the Moon lacks sufficient gravity (about 1/6 Earth's) to hold an atmosphere. Mars, however, is definitely doable. And this fact does not, of course, preclude human settlement of the Moon. I think this will start late in this century, so Roddenbury's prediction may be accurate....
11:29 AM on 05/29/2011
The problem with settling the moon is it has no active core, no plate tectonics, its completely dead, there are better choices for future permanent Human settlement in our solar system.
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11:54 AM on 05/29/2011
The beautiful thing about imagination is that it doesn't need to adhere to one scintilla of reality. I don't know, if ultimately, settling on the Moon is possible. I just thought it was wonderful that Gene Roddenberry thought so ;-) But I agree with you that one day, if we survive our present, we'll be Galaxy explorers and settle on other planets. That's such an exciting thought, to me ☮
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BannedInBoston
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
01:06 PM on 05/29/2011
It's not a matter of either/or, it's a matter of and/and. While Mars ultimately offers a more attractive environment, human off-world settlement may well begin with the Moon just because it's a lot closer. And as far as Mars is concerned, initially, anyway, until the planet can be terraformed, there's not much to choose environment-wise except for temperature variation. This problem can be solved by locating bases and settlements in areas of the Moon where this is minimized -- or just having really really efficient heating and air-conditioning!...
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realpolitic
GOP is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!
04:32 AM on 05/29/2011
Someone should tell Bill O'Reilly how the moon was formed. He thinks it is just like a big pizza pie that got there by accident.
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BannedInBoston
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
01:09 PM on 05/29/2011
He's probably thinking of that old Dean Martin song, "When the Moon _hits your eye Like a big pizza pie, that's amore...."
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realpolitic
GOP is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!
02:48 PM on 05/29/2011
Yes, he is.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
05:35 PM on 05/29/2011
Jebus did it.
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realpolitic
GOP is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!
06:31 PM on 05/29/2011
lol
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stape45
Spin this!
12:24 AM on 05/29/2011
Too bad there's no oil. Maybe we could actually balance the budget.
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BannedInBoston
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
01:14 PM on 05/29/2011
There's no oil on the Moon but there IS a ton (and much much more) of Helium 3, the isotope of Helium that fuses at the lowest temperature of any potential fusion reactor fuel. The Chinese have already announced plans to land on the Moon and exploit this resource. And BTW, there are large LAKES of gasoline (ethane) as well as methane of Saturn's giant moon Titan. I just wish the oil companies would get wind of this. We'd be out there real quick!...
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DXM
A sane moderate living during insane extreme times
05:35 PM on 05/30/2011
I am a HUGE space exploration advocate and a physicist. That being said, mining He 3 is nothing more than a pipe dream until controlled nuclear fusion that produces more energy than it uses is realized. While it has been promised that the fusion breakthrough is just around the corner, 50 years of such promises leads me to think that the a real solution won't be in hand for decades more. Until there is a demand for He 3, lunar mining will not be realized.

Also, the lakes and seas of Titan are indeed most likely composed of liquid ethane but ethane is NOT gasoline. Gasoline is composed of much heavier hydrocarbons. Titan's seas are more like a very methane-poor liquified natural gas. And considering the current market value of natural gas, the untapped reserves still left on this planet not to mention the expense of getting equipment to and product back from Titan, mining Titan for ethane is much further off than mining the Moon for He 3.
11:43 PM on 05/28/2011
Probably due to Global Warming.
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stape45
Spin this!
12:19 AM on 05/29/2011
I thought it just destroyed. It creates, as well? It creates something that doesn't destroy something else? Well, well, well!
12:37 AM on 05/29/2011
It would seem that Global Warming is at the root of everything.

Good, Bad, Hot, Cold, Snow, Rain, Drought, Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Doldrums, Monsoons, Cyclones, Ice Caps Melting, Ice Caps Growing, Glaciers receding, Glaciers growing, Desertification, Humidification.

Sun Spots, Moon Spots, Jupiter Spots, earthquakes on IO
12:38 AM on 05/29/2011
Global warming is awesome.

Almost godlike in its infinte powers.

Just ask Michael Mann, Kevin Trenbert or any of their avid Church of Climatology followers.
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realpolitic
GOP is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!
04:33 AM on 05/29/2011
This article is so full of interesting science and then your post shows the usual far-right contempt for science. Too bad!
06:15 AM on 05/29/2011
Fudging data for the purpose of increasing taxation on the population is hardly what most scientists would call science.
10:19 AM on 05/29/2011
The right, far or otherwise has nothing to do with it.

The contempt the Church of Climatology (the IPCC) and their followers have for real science and scientific methods is horrific.

The IPCC, lacking enough data to continue their alarmist conculsions, has decided that the next report will NOT have to have any attribution for unpublished comments and theories in their reports.

This means that they can publish statements from Rosie O'Donnell that Tornadoe activity is proof of Global Warming (even though real scientists have said POPPYCOCK) and they can/will do so without mentioning that it was Rosie O'donnell who made the claim.

Now THAT is contempt for science.

Try to keep up will you.
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11:18 PM on 05/28/2011
One of the sad things about the enormous misallocation of resources (huge private fortunes vs public fiscal disaster) that took place over the last 3 decades was the slow death of the Space program. Just imagine if we had spent tiny fractions of economic output on the military and the utterly corrupted corporate sector, and addressed our problems well enough to have been free to commit really substantial resources towards space exploration. When I was in my late teens during the Moon landings, it was possible to really believe we would one day go to the stars - I have not believed that for many years now.
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BannedInBoston
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
01:23 PM on 05/29/2011
Do not despair. We will get there everntually. When the commercial exploitation of deep space really begins in earnest, I think we'll see a tremendous off-world expansion of humanity. I'm think of things like asteroid mining and even harvesting the huge amount of ethane and methane on the surface of Saturn's giant moon Titan. (I seem to be the only one who's thought of this so far -- oil companies are you listening?) If nothing else, when we run short of natural resources here, we will be FORCED to seek them elsewhere and there's only one elsewhere....
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
05:42 PM on 05/29/2011
We should fix the issues here before worrying about the moon.
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DXM
A sane moderate living during insane extreme times
05:37 PM on 05/30/2011
I very shortsighted approach. With that attitude, our ancestors would never had left Africa and we'd still be living in huts and making tools with flint.
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isis
I, Robot
10:17 PM on 05/28/2011
First Men in the Moon by H.G. Wells predicts this and also give a harsh look at capitalistic greed. I highly recommend it!
08:29 PM on 05/28/2011
The moon was clearly created by the Sage of the Six Paths, who had the Rinnegan.

He used a technique called Chibaku Tensei. The 10 tails is sealed in there.

/Naruto manga nerd talk for those not aware.
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realpolitic
GOP is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!
04:35 AM on 05/29/2011
Makes sense! Well, not really.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
05:43 PM on 05/29/2011
Modern Japanese cartoons Ancient Shinto (animist) beliefs = Manga
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Tom Joad
"While there is a lower class, I am in it "
08:03 PM on 05/28/2011
"More Water On The Moon Than Previously Thought"

...also more in Vermont than previously thought...
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
05:43 PM on 05/29/2011
Does this mean also B
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
05:43 PM on 05/29/2011
Okay, that was wierd. Ben and Jerry's
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edgeninja
Get your government hands out of my bedroom!
06:44 PM on 05/28/2011
The Moon's interior, eh?

Suddenly, I'm reminded of the end of Final Fantasy IV.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
05:44 PM on 05/29/2011
Or an easter creme egg.
04:39 PM on 05/28/2011
Something is wrong with the commenting It won't do more than the first few words of my comment.
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realpolitic
GOP is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!
04:36 AM on 05/29/2011
No, the internet itself is broken!
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AGooglyMinotaur
Ahh, Theseus. It appears you are out of thread.
10:44 AM on 05/29/2011
Are you using the "and" sign? The ampersand has been breaking the comment section recently.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
05:44 PM on 05/29/2011
Yes, yes I was...thanks
04:37 PM on 05/28/2011
Maybe the whole comment will post this time.I have a theory that the planetoid that hit Earth was a predominantly Liquid
08:01 PM on 05/28/2011
and frozen Ammonium with an Iron Core and the Ammonium broke down into Hydrogen that made water and free Nitrogen to make Earths Atmosphere.
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Marlyn
Always wrong, but never in doubt.
04:06 PM on 05/28/2011
“The presence of water tells you how much potential it has to sustain life,†Hauri said. ???

Sustain life on the Moon? LOL
Dragonlupin
Your micro-bio is empty
07:17 PM on 05/28/2011
The water can be reduced to hydrogen for fuel and oxygen for breathing.
This increases the chances of a lunar colony being built and makes it easier.