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Libertarian Rand Paul Is Suddenly Very Concerned About The Right To Free Assembly

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First Posted: 06/01/11 02:18 PM ET Updated: 08/01/11 06:12 AM ET

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is usually described as a doctrinaire libertarian, and in many of his policy complaints, this is reliably borne out. For example, Paul is of the opinion that the Americans With Disabilities Act is an egregious infringement on liberty, when the "common sense solution" is obviously to herd wheelchair-bound workers to the first floor of every office building.

That's what Paul believes and he usually sticks to it. So I'm as surprised as the next guy to learn that Paul now believes that certain people should be jailed for merely exercising their right to assemble under the Constitution of the United States.

According to Alex Seitz-Wald, Paul's sudden shift on civil liberties all went down on Sean Hannity's radio show last Friday:

PAUL: I'm not for profiling people on the color of their skin, or on their religion, but I would take into account where they've been traveling and perhaps, you might have to indirectly take into account whether or not they've been going to radical political speeches by religious leaders. It wouldn't be that they are Islamic. But if someone is attending speeches from someone who is promoting the violent overthrow of our government, that's really an offense that we should be going after -- they should be deported or put in prison.

Hey, now! Suddenly we're deporting and jailing people for attending speeches? Um ...

Paul's suggestion that people be imprisoned or deported for merely attending a political speech would be a fairly egregious violation on the First Amendment, not to mention due process. What if someone attended a radical speech as a curious bystander? Should they too be thrown in prison? And who defines what is considered so "radical" that it is worth imprisonment?

These are good questions. I'd hate to see Rand Paul get hoisted with his own petard. (Dearie me! Am I even still allowed to talk about petards in public?)

Well, what do the courts say about the matter? Here's Glenn Greenwald:

Indeed, the First Amendment not only protects the mere "attending" of a speech "promoting the violent overthrow of our government," but also the giving of such a speech. The government is absolutely barred by the Free Speech clause from punishing people even for advocating violence. That has been true since the Supreme Court's unanimous 1967 decision in Brandenburg v. Ohio, which overturned the criminal conviction of a Ku Klux Klan leader who had threatened violence against political officials in a speech.

See, that's what I thought. Naturally, I have no doubt that somewhere out there someone is assembled in a gathering of free citizens, listening to someone discuss the violent overthrow of the government. I'm not unconcerned about that, but the standard libertarian line I grew up with was, "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

At any rate, there is already a criminal statute that penalizes the agreement of a group to commit a criminal act -- it's called "conspiracy." It mainly focuses on persons who are actively and overtly participating in plans to commit a crime. I'm guessing that one good way to evaluate whether or not a "radical group" is going to escalate from merely talking about overthrowing the government to actually pursuing the furtherance of such a plan is to let people freely attend that group's speeches without fear that they'll be clapped in irons.

RELATED:
Rand Paul, Supposed Defender Of Civil Liberties, Calls For Jailing People Who Attend 'Radical Political Speeches' [ThinkProgress]

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Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is usually described as a doctrinaire libertarian, and in many of his policy complaints, this is reliably borne out. For example, Paul is of the opinion that the Americans With ...
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is usually described as a doctrinaire libertarian, and in many of his policy complaints, this is reliably borne out. For example, Paul is of the opinion that the Americans With ...
 
 
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04:13 PM on 07/03/2011
My original comment got lost. Let's try again...

Ran Paul, keep at it! Beat all the filibuster records out there, my man!
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IgnoranceIsStrength
Don't ask me, Google it yourself !
06:40 PM on 06/20/2011
The whole point of being a libertarian is never having to be
honest. Instead of having preferences and interests, about
which one might be honest, one has a commitment to high
principle. The libertarian wants to oppose rules, and he offers
as an ideal, a vision of a society organized without rules,
without acknowledging that organization without rules is a
contradiction. If he was honest, he would admit that he opposed
a particular rule, and favored another rule in its place, but
to do so, he would have to abandon his Olympian detachment and
disinterest, and in taking a position, would reveal his own
venality or racism or lack of empathy or greed.
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javajava
Pastafarian Liberal Progressive Socialist Hippie
11:54 AM on 06/19/2011
Richard Engel "we have become very good at killing bearded men in Waziristan". Yeah, that just about sums up foreign policy.
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fusillijerry
Stand back. Try to move away slow.
04:38 PM on 06/05/2011
"If someone is attending speeches from someone who is promoting the violent overthrow of our government, that's really an offense that we should be going after."

What if the speaker said we should use 2nd amendment rights is politics doesn't work. And she was running for the senate.
03:23 AM on 06/03/2011
Thanks for the article. For info on people using voluntary Libertarian tools, please see http://www.Libertarian-International.org/ the Libertarian International Organization.

Mr. Paul, while receptive to some Libertarian tools, is a conservative who has distanced himself from Libertarianism.
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09:16 PM on 06/03/2011
Mr. Paul, while receptive to some Libertaria­n tools, is a conservati­ve who has distanced himself from Libertaria­nism.

I must respectfully disagree. Senator Paul is the tool here. He and others in his freshman class have proven the wisdom in reading the U.S. Constitution before each session of this Congress. To our great shame, he and his cohorts don't know our Constitution. In fact they've shown that they can't tell our Constitution from its Preamble, The Bill of Rights or the Declaration of Independence.
Since the freshman class that includes Sen. Paul, Rep. Bachman and other tea stains are of an age when U.S. History and the workings of our government were required study in their Middle School years, they prove themselves as failures by not knowing or understanding the simplest ideals that our country was built on. That "easy B" Civics or U.S. History class that we all took? Yup, they failed. And we elected them.
jjtx
living between the trees
10:05 PM on 06/02/2011
Who gets to decide whether a speech is radical or not?

Wouldn't all those secessionists like Todd Palin and Rick Perry have to be thrown in jail -- we fought a bloody war in the 1860's to say that seceding from the Union was an overthrow of the government.
05:10 PM on 06/02/2011
This makes clear the selective memory of Liberals. Sometime in the not too distant past, we had uber-Socialist and leading mouthpiece for the left wing Sean Penn advocate jailing people for talking trash about Hugo Chavez, Communist Dictator Extraordinaire. There was no outrage or articles written by the left-wing press after his comments, which clearly advocated taking away the right to free speech from American citizens, as they all tacitly support extreme left politics already. Now this feigned shock at Rand's comments and staunch protestations about freedom of assembly...laughable
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Tanya OaksBrooks
Sarcastic, left-wing, science-loving rocker chick
06:45 PM on 06/02/2011
The last time I checked, Sean Penn was not a US Senator, nor was he running for any office. Seriously...you can't see the difference in an angry comment from an actor and a US Senator wanting to take away rights?
10:25 PM on 06/02/2011
And my Dad used to advocate throwing people in jail who didn't agree with him. So F'ing what?

And he was an ultra-right winger, he took me to a Goldwater rally when I was about 6 years old.

Talk about selective memory; let's talk about reactionary, neo-Conservative, Tea-Bagging, Republican neo-Nazis. They want to take away my liberties and are responsible for the Patriot Act and other reprehensible invasions of my liberty and my privacy. This ahiole is just one more of a long line of fake libertarian neo-Nazis.
05:04 PM on 06/02/2011
Wow, very surprising. As we know some libertarians are very close to being anarchists. I thought the whole libertarian idea is that the U.S. Federal Government is bad, and should be overthrown. So what is with this. It makes absolutely no sense to me. I'm also a little disappointed, I had a little bit of hope in Ron Paul and his son, to stick true to their libertarian beliefs and protect the things that neither Democrats and Republicans protect.
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ProfessorDuh
04:53 PM on 06/02/2011
That would, of course, have to include people who attend meetings about "refreshing the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants." So I guess we'd better start arresting the Tea Baggers, according to Ayn Paul.
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CenaW
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03:36 PM on 06/02/2011
Isn't that precious. Mr. Libertarian's tea bags spent all of 2009/2010 calling for violent revolution against the legally and constitutionally elected President.
overthrow
revolt
gun rallies and all. . . . .
But. . . now says anyone doing so neets to be investigated, stopped, controlled.


Like all Republicans, a liar. He can call himself "Libertarian", but he is another elected K0ch teabag Republican.
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52tucker
Captain of trashpile sleeping.
02:57 PM on 06/02/2011
When white people gather and speak about overthrowing the government and taking their country back, it's called a Tea Party revolution and the right clamors to appeal to them. When brown people do so, they're scary and should be deported or put into prison.
Right. Ok, I get it now. Thanks, Rand for taking on this difficult issue.
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brooksjohnson9
"Just because you can, doesn't mean you should"
03:25 PM on 06/02/2011
FnF
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52tucker
Captain of trashpile sleeping.
02:54 PM on 06/02/2011
Guess I can't go to any libertarian speeches this summer. Thanks Rand, for sounding like a racist and a xenophobe yet again.
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brooksjohnson9
"Just because you can, doesn't mean you should"
01:53 PM on 06/02/2011
This guy hasn't even been in office a year yet, and already his true agenda comes out! His father Ron Paul is not much better.
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bholly72
02:23 PM on 06/02/2011
Maybe, but there's no evidence that the elder Mr. Paul fails to understand freedom of speech.
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KenLowJr
Long on the tooth
01:43 PM on 06/02/2011
Utterances like Paul, Bachmann, Gringich, make me wonder. Did they mean to say that or was it misspeak? The lack of retractions makes it all look purposeful. But who's buying it? The conservatives that I know are certainly more intelligent than to swallow such tripe. Why the GOP race to kooksvile? Am I overestimating their audience? I'll be floored if it turns out that large numbers of people are responding positively to this rhetoric. Fox news audience anyone?
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Drew2U
Emily is not amused.
01:29 PM on 06/02/2011
This is definitely going to cut down the number of people attending any of Mr. Paul's meetings--this is about as un-American as it gets.
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brooksjohnson9
"Just because you can, doesn't mean you should"
01:55 PM on 06/02/2011
To true! FnF