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Tea Party: GOP Will Be Held Accountable For Backing Business In Debt Ceiling Fight

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First Posted: 06/01/11 03:27 PM ET Updated: 08/01/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Think of Republicans' Tuesday vote against raising America's debt cap as their "honest, I do still love you" sop to last summer's fling, the Tea Party.

Because, like all such overheated romances, this one could soon be headed for an ugly breakup over money.

Last year, the Tea Party's interests and those of big business were nearly perfectly aligned, with companies pouring millions into campaigns to oust Democrats. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce alone dropped some $33 million, with 93 percent going to elect Republicans.

But things are different this year, and nowhere will the split be starker than in the fight over raising the debt limit. Those groups represented by the Chamber want it to go up, in order to avoid what Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner warns would be a catastrophe. The Tea Party -- especially its more loosely organized, grassroots members -- adamantly want the debt ceiling to stay put.

The big crunch will come sometime before August, when the United States is expected to begin defaulting on its debt if the limit is not raised. Then, Republicans -- and the 86 freshmen who were powered into office on the Tea Party surge in 2010 –- will have to decide if they embrace the entreaties of the business world to increase the limit or the ardent pleas of their tea-sipping supporters who want Uncle Sam's credit card cut off at the current $14.3 trillion.

"What we're looking for is real control of Congressional spending, not some fallacy they invent to make the electorate feel good for a temporary time," said Mark Meckler, a co-founder of the Tea Party Patriots.

A fallacy, in his eyes, would be the plan Congressional Republicans have embraced to raise the debt ceiling once they get concessions on spending cuts and budget reforms from Democrats.

What Meckler says he and some 95% of Tea Partiers want is no hike in the debt ceiling at all.

"The vast majority simply say don't raise the debt limit," he said.

But House Republicans are pursuing the blueprint set forth by the Chamber of Commerce. The Chamber recently wrote a letter to legislators demanding that the limit be raised, accompanied by the spending reforms, sounding very much like Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), although he emphasizes that spending reforms should be enacted before a deal is made.

That letter came just days after a coalition of 40 large business groups, including the Chamber, sent a similar letter to Congressional leaders that advocated raising the spending cap to avoid economic calamity but added, "Tough calls on U.S. spending must be made as part of a debate about the budget."

"And both of them are equally important," said Chamber of Commerce spokesman J.P. Fielder, referring to spending cuts and raising the debt ceiling.

But not to the Tea Partiers who think that hitting the debt limit doesn't necessarily mean defaulting and won't lead to the catastrophe predicted by many of those same businesses and Geithner.

"That is a lie. That is an outright, total, unadulterated fabrication," proclaimed Meckler of the prediction that the United States will default on Aug. 2 if the ceiling is not raised.

"We bring in over $220 billion a month in revenue. We owe roughly $11 billion in interest payments on debt," he said. "My math, and I'm a pretty simple guy, says there's plenty of room to make those payments. So that would be a choice to default on those payments."

A recent Congressional Research Service report, which suggests the Treasury may not have the authority to pick and choose which obligations the United States can pay first, contradicts Meckler's reasoning.

But the adamant anti-debt crowd do have some allies on Capitol Hill, who don't think the business community should have much say on debt issues.

"It doesn't matter what business thinks. I mean, this is about the future of the country," Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) told The Huffington Post.

Nevertheless, GOP leaders are working to extract reforms in return for keeping the credit flowing. The back-and-forth negotiations that have ensued are making some observers nervous.

"I think there'll be a be a more sizable disruption [than some debt opponents predict]," said Tony Fratto, a former George W. Bush Administration official who worked on six debt hikes. "I don't believe that it's worth testing. I don't want to use the full faith and credit of the U.S. government as a guinea pig."

Yet Fratto acknowledges the political bind facing Republicans. "The view that the debt ceiling should only be raised along with a strong and credible agreement on reducing spending in the future is not the view of some fringe group. That happens to be the view of the majority of the American people," he said.

"And by the way, I think that's the view of any member of Congress who's up for reelection in 2012, too," he added. "I don't know a member of Congress, Democrat or Republican, who wants to face voters in 2012 having voted to raise the debt ceiling absent an agreement on spending."

For the Chamber's part, it can find some unlikely allies in Democrats, who are at least professing the desire to make budget cuts but are more determined to raise the debt limit –- and think Republicans are playing with fire in their attempts to appease the Tea Party.

"The biggest enemy of business is uncertainty, and what they're doing is they're creating a heightened state of uncertainty," said Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-N.Y.), a senior member of the Financial Services Committee.

"The Chamber is smart enough to know that, and they should be telling these guys that," said Ackerman.

He also appreciated the irony of the Chamber having helped to elect a Tea Party freshman class that might now ignore its advice.

"They've created a Frankenstein's monster. And the Frankenstein's monster they've created is not acting in the interest of its creators," Ackerman said.

For their part, Tea Partiers believe the real monster is the alliance of well-heeled special interests and lawmakers.

"When you've got big business and big government and big labor in bed together, those are dangerous combinations, and they always leave out the interests of the American citizen," said Meckler.

Whatever deal the GOP and Democrats cut to increase the debt limit -- and almost everyone is certain they will cut one -- it promises to have lasting consequences for the relationship between Republicans who vote "Yes" and the Tea Partiers they danced with during the last election.

"They'll be held accountable," Meckler said. "I don't think any single vote is going to cause anyone to be primaried but this is a major one. And I think all votes are being tallied and remembered, and come 2012 when it's time for primaries, I think you're going to see a lot of folks who didn't expect to be facing primaries facing primaries."

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WASHINGTON -- Think of Republicans' Tuesday vote against raising America's debt cap as their "honest, I do still love you" sop to last summer's fling, the Tea Party. Because, like all such overheat...
WASHINGTON -- Think of Republicans' Tuesday vote against raising America's debt cap as their "honest, I do still love you" sop to last summer's fling, the Tea Party. Because, like all such overheat...
 
 
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Jannsmoor 04:36 PM on 06/01/2011
How about letting Teabaggers stop paying taxes entirely? They simply pay their portion of the current debt and thereafter pay retail for every function currently being offered by government? Every time they leave home, they need to pay a toll to drive on the public roads - set at cost plus a profit - whatever the market will bear. Every time they use a telephone, they pay for using the public airwaves.  Read More...
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02:40 PM on 06/07/2011
To Meckler and all the other tea party types; we WILL hold all of you accountable and you will be shouted at and lectured to at every open forum and voting event if you think your irresponsible beliefs will not have consequences.
You tea partiers will be held accountable for every mess you are responsible for in causing or forcing this country into.
Count on it.There are millions and millions of us watching all of you and keeping track of every problem you cause and threat you make.
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robertste998
I hate listening to liers & cheats
04:25 PM on 06/06/2011
Radical! Unthinkable! Some crazy thinktank thought up playing chicken with the debt ceiling & national bankruptcy from which we will never recover. How can these people call themselves patriots?
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drwtsn
Could I please get an upgrade to a macro-bio?
10:03 PM on 06/04/2011
"And both of them are equally important," said Chamber of Commerce spokesman J.P. Fielder, referring to spending cuts and raising the debt ceiling.
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If the Dems refused to cut spending, I think we'd find that the Chamber considers railing the ceiling MUCH more important.

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"It doesn't matter what business thinks. I mean, this is about the future of the country," Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) told The Huffington Post.
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After years of listening to the Republicans claim that we have to give all sorts of concessions to business because, after all, they are the "job creators" and the future of the country depends on them.

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Tea Partiers believe the real monster is the alliance of well-heeled special interests and lawmakers.
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Yet they are in the party that fights hardest for this alliance.

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Mark Meckler, a co-founder of the Tea Party Patriots: ".... I'm a pretty simple guy ..."
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This qoute is slighty taken out of context, but speaks for itself.
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Godweiser
The eyes have it.
08:18 AM on 06/04/2011
The GOP is finding that the tension between ideological orthodoxy and electoral pragmatism is untenable; once you mount the tiger, it's hard to get off. I'm not terribly surprised, because I was saying that in 2009 when the TP'ers got started. They are not going to just melt away into the mainstream or disband when their usefulness is over. The GOP made a Faustian deal with them to get elected in 2010, and now they are being told to pay up or suffer the consequences of defaulting on that deal with the TP'ers.

This is not a new tension in electoral politics, and only time will tell who does the swallowing and who gets swallowed, but I don't think America is so ripe for extremism that the TP'ers have enough popular support to ram their extremism through.

Luckily, the civil institutions of this country are pretty strongly rooted (though conservatives seem to be waging a constant assault on the rule of law when it doesn't agree with their interpretation of it and apparently want to undermine government as much as possible) and will probably endure this tempest in a teacup. The TP is old, as opposed to the 1930's when the dangerous right wing movements were primarily young and disaffected, and so it's simply a matter of waiting them out -- young people are not generally flocking to that movement, and so it has a limited shelf life.
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jcclsc
Liberal to a Tea...
12:59 AM on 06/04/2011
Like the original tea party, these people have a lot of great ideas; but no solutions. They think by just refusing to accept reality; it makes sense. Just cutting out the elders of this country doesn't solve the problem.
Im sure they feel they are over-taxed; however, as Americans, we don't get taxed near what other country patrons are.
The original tea party was about taxation without representation. Well, they won in 2010; where's their representation?
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12:09 AM on 06/04/2011
Nixon called them "the Silent Majority." Reagan called them "the Moral Majority." Now a few of them call themself "Tea Party" and they are the tail that wags the dog. Well swing voters? Are you going to let them wag you too?
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John C75
A touch of Socialism makes Capitalism thrive.
10:19 PM on 06/03/2011
Legalize drugs, this will create an entirely new industry. Just like the internet did in the 90s. Instant drastic budget savings from policing to imprisoning from the local to the federal level. Along with instant revenue source that could balance local budgets and prevent schools from having to cut back so bad. Aren't our children worth it? Greece did it and there was no real increase in drug use. Just a MASSIVE decrease in crime and death. http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2011/06/02/report-the-global-war-on-drugs-has-failed-is-it-time-to-legalize/
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John C75
A touch of Socialism makes Capitalism thrive.
10:14 PM on 06/03/2011
Give them what they want. Raise debt ceiling. Vote them out, Repeal legislation. Problem solved.
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brokerallen
The Middle Class Needs To Take Back America
05:03 PM on 06/03/2011
It should be fun to watch the Republicans get get raked over the coals by their new masters.
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01:11 PM on 06/03/2011
Thank you Tea Party!!!! Thank you for helping us be a thorn on the side of the neocon republicans!
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Neuron Flash
Your Micro Brew Is Empty
09:47 PM on 06/02/2011
Want to live within your means? Take it right out of that bloated Defense budget. Cutting it in half would still give you the largest defense budget in the world. We can no longer afford 11 aircraft carrier battle groups and Trillion dollar jet fighter programs (what a monumental waste!).

Cut cut cut the military down to size. Match China's military budget and were still ahead of them.
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Gloria Otting Vestring
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10:10 PM on 06/02/2011
I agee with you about the defense budget. We can no longer afford to be involved in two wars either. Both are no win situations. About time we picked up our chips and bring the troops home.

We have other things they could and will be needing to do right here at home.
REDSTATEREFUGEE
Texan by birth ; Californian by choice
06:50 PM on 06/03/2011
Agreed, NF, x24......To add a metric to your thoughts, a retired, military analyst Army colonel on NPR about three weeks ago asserted that we could reduce the DOD budget by 40% and still adequately protect our nation. IMHO, we are in no position to be imposing our national power throughout the globe with expensive aircraft carriers and, of course, the more than necessary military bases.
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Larry Motuz
Lawless markets lead ill-gotten gains.
09:40 PM on 06/02/2011
"Tough calls on U.S. spending must be made as part of a debate about the budget."

Take a look at this really, really, really tough choice:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/09/954301/-The-Must-See-Chart-
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Neuron Flash
Your Micro Brew Is Empty
09:56 PM on 06/02/2011
The must see chart makes me want to paraphrase Michael Moore from earlier this year when he spoke at Madison:

We are not broke. There is plenty of money.
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Larry Motuz
Lawless markets lead ill-gotten gains.
12:07 AM on 06/03/2011
Yes. And fiscal irresponsibility ends with improving revenues.
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bardgal
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02:37 PM on 06/03/2011
That chart would be the front page splash on every newpaper/site across the nation - if the 4th estate wasn't dead.
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RunningBecky
Runner, nurse, chess player
07:36 PM on 06/02/2011
The Republicans and their corperate masters created the tea party as their "ground troops." Now if they have discovered they created a monsteer that may devour them, well gee, too bad for them. Buh bye Republican party! Can't say I'll miss ya! Huggs Becky PS Who am I kidding? The corperations will buy exactly the government they want irregardless.
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noteaforme
The Tea Party parties like it's 1399.
06:58 PM on 06/02/2011
Oh Boehner. You look so very sad. Boo hoo.
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01:13 PM on 06/03/2011
Well, that was NOT a flattering picture of me, Noteaforme! I think my ava shows my cheery side.