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Moody's Warns U.S. On Consequences Of Not Raising Debt Limit

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First Posted: 06/03/11 01:29 AM ET Updated: 08/02/11 06:12 AM ET

June 2, 2011 11:35:36 PM

By Daniel Bases and Donna Smith

NEW YORK/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Ratings agency Moody's warned Thursday it would consider cutting the United States' coveted top-notch credit rating if the White House and Congress do not make progress by mid-July in talks to raise the U.S. debt limit.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, seeking to convince Congress to increase his borrowing authority and prevent a government default, went to Capitol Hill to press his case in a 45-minute meeting with first-term lawmakers.

``I am confident that two things are going to happen this summer,'' Geithner told reporters after the meeting. ``One is that we are going to avoid a default crisis and we are going to reach agreement on a long-term fiscal plan.''

The meeting occurred just hours after Moody's Investors warned that slow-moving deficit talks led by Vice President Joe Biden, hindered by entrenched positions on both sides, had increased the odds of a short-lived default by Washington.

Moody's warning increases pressure on President Barack Obama and House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner, the top Republican in the U.S. Congress, to strike a deal soon or risk upsetting global financial markets.

Geithner has predicted a financial catastrophe if Congress fails to increase the current $14.3 trillion borrowing cap by Aug. 2, when his department will exhaust the extraordinary cash management measures it has been using since reaching the debt limit on May 16.

Geithner said he had a ``good meeting'' with the first-term lawmakers, but some of the skeptical Republicans, who oppose increasing the debt limit without implementing deep spending cuts, were less pleased.

``It is frustrating when the secretary talks in circles and that is very unfortunate,'' said Representative Stephen Lee Fincher. ``We are all big boys and girls. We need a framework put forward and we are not seeing that out of this administration, only seeing talk, talk and talk.''

Representative Kristi Noem, a favorite of the fiscally conservative Tea Party movement, said the freshmen Republicans made it clear to Geithner that they would not ``give this administration a blank check to spend even more.''

``Secretary Geithner doesn't get it,'' said Noem, one of the ''mama grizzlies'' touted by ex-Alaska Governor Sarah Palin.

But a Treasury official characterized the talks with lawmakers as friendly and constructive.

POLITICAL GRANDSTANDING

Saying the risk of ``continuing stalemate'' between the two sides had grown, Moody's urged progress on deficit reduction soon before politics takes over in the run-up to the November 2012 presidential election.

``We think this is an opportunity,'' Steven Hess, sovereign credit analyst for Moody's, told Reuters. ``If this opportunity goes by without them realizing a serious long-term debt/deficit reduction program, then we think that until the presidential election, the chances of such an agreement are really much reduced.''

Mary Miller, a top Treasury official, said the Moody's statement underscored the need for Congress to move quickly to make sure the United States could meet all its debt obligations while working to reach a long-term fiscal deal.

A U.S. default would roil global financial markets, but few investors are rattled just yet. Wall Street, in large part, expects the debt and deficit negotiations to go down to the wire, as did talks over tax cuts and the 2011 budget.

``We've been through this political grandstanding before,'' said Jim Kochan, chief fixed-income strategist at Wells Fargo Advantage Funds.

``We always go right down to the day on debt ceiling targets being raised. No congressman and no president wants to be responsible for Social Security payments not going out. This is a minimal risk. We've seen this so many times.''

Obama has tasked Biden to lead negotiations with Republican and Democratic lawmakers to find a deficit-reduction deal that would be palatable to Congress and pave the way for the debt limit to be raised. Their talks are due to resume on June 9.

But Republicans refuse to consider tax increases as part of a deal, while Democrats are opposed to Republican proposals to scale back the popular government-run Medicare healthcare program for future retirees.

Republicans seized on the announcement by Moody's, which comes two months after Standard & Poor's revised down its credit outlook on the U.S. rating, as proof of the need to make some sharp spending cuts.

``This report makes clear that if we let this opportunity pass without real deficit reduction, America's financial standing will be at risk,'' said Boehner. ``A credible agreement means the spending cuts must exceed the debt limit increase.

Senator Charles Schumer, a top Democrat, said a compromise that prevents a ``catastrophic default on our obligations and significantly reduces the debt is within reach.'' (Additional reporting by Rachelle Younglai, Alister Bull and Thomas Ferraro; Writing by Deborah Charles; Editing by Ross Colvin, David Lawder and Eric Walsh)

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Bike Commuter 10:37 AM on 06/03/2011
Other than a few specific measures that have been enacted, such as the stimulus and bailouts, the US spending budget has not increased dramatically in the last 2 years. What has happened is tax revenues went down as they always do in a recession. The economy always has up and down times. That is why it is important to structure so that the good times result in surplus. That way you are in a far better  Read More...
11:54 AM on 06/06/2011
I don't believe a word from Geithner; he's "big bank" and his interests seem only to make banks more wealthy at the expense of the taxpayer.
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William Brock
11:42 AM on 06/06/2011
Moody's...please and phoney ratings can be bought easily...look at their AAA for Goldman Saks and tell me this agency has any credibility. These Wall Street agencys are a joke....dangerous jokes. It is time to cut the heads off the snakes.
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ScapeGoat
Facts are stubborn things. Science Rocks!
11:15 AM on 06/06/2011
If the debt ceiling is not raised, the executive branch has the legal right to redistribute money to pay the debt. So lets take the money from house districts that had members who voted against raising the debt ceiling and apply it to the debt. BUT, leave the money in the districts that voted for raising the debt ceiling. I think that is very fair. Let those who vote against it pay the price.
02:15 PM on 06/06/2011
so try that.......let's see how that goes..........laughing
11:06 AM on 06/06/2011
Whether you care what Moody's says, the investment community cares. They take it with a grain of salt considering Moody's poor performance on rating CDOs, etc, but they still pay attention.

IF we can't get people to buy our debt....we're in for a WORLD of hurt.
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tonydon
09:45 AM on 06/06/2011
Who cares what this organization thinks they were involved in the banking mortgage fiasco from the beginning
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TBrennan
05:52 PM on 06/05/2011
The same Moody that rated Goldman's CDOs AAA.
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ScapeGoat
Facts are stubborn things. Science Rocks!
05:41 PM on 06/04/2011
Hey all you regressives and teabagger republicans:
When the "you know what" hits the fan, will you take responsibility for your actions. Will you say I was wrong and the progressives were right. Will you take responsibility for your actions?
05:26 AM on 06/06/2011
i was not wrong..........the debt ceiling should be used as a weapon to get massive spending cuts
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ScapeGoat
Facts are stubborn things. Science Rocks!
11:14 AM on 06/06/2011
Ah, listen sock puppet,
It hasn't happened yet ... duhhhhh
but when it does and if things go south will you take responsibility?

If the debt ceiling is not raised, the executive branch has the legal right to redistribute money to pay the debt. So lets take the money from house districts that had members who voted against raising the debt ceiling and apply it to the debt. BUT, leave the money in the districts that voted for raising the debt ceiling. I think that is very fair.
10:28 PM on 06/07/2011
Yes, spending should be cut, but never on defense, right? And tax increases on that top 1% with about 45% of the wealth in this nation surely would not work either. We need to keep those big guys here in America, paying Americans low wages, not in the East exploiting 3rd world nations (Because these tax cuts worked so well during the Reagan years). And nobody really cares if the poor under 55 have to buy thier own healthcare somehow. In fact, I doubt anyone in the House would shed a tear if all those lazy poor people just croaked right now. (in case its still unclear, im being sarcastic. im pissed, and i can vote in 3 months)
Impaler
Ride to the sound of gunfire
05:28 AM on 06/06/2011
Hardly, we have seen the wonders of the Progressives, Stagflation, persistent unemployment, and even worse under-employment.

Not to mention the failed auto bailouts. (yes failed) we the taxpayers lose over 14 billion on the deal. Anyone can lose money of that size and claim you saved some jobs, but at what cost? Healthcare take over? Green Jobs?

It is all smoke and mirrors as soon as you realize this administration is a disaster of Biblical proportions the sooner you can start your recovery.
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ScapeGoat
Facts are stubborn things. Science Rocks!
11:10 AM on 06/06/2011
Typical regressive:
Refuse to answer the question
Refuse to take responsibility for your actions.
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ScapeGoat
Facts are stubborn things. Science Rocks!
11:18 AM on 06/06/2011
Are you talking about the bush/republican great recession that started in 2000 and got worse under bush.

We are being paid back for the Auto loans and have saved hundreds of thousands of jobs. Not that you care about people keeping there jobs.

Get you head out of Fox's colon.
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paulwl
08:20 AM on 06/04/2011
Moody's, WHERE IN THE HELL WERE YOU WHEN BARNEY MADOFF WAS 'SCREWINNG' PEOPLE? WHY IN THE HELL SHOULD YOU PEOPLE BE BELIEVEABLE NOW? HELL NO, YOU HAVE NO OPINION! MATTER-OF-FACT, YOU SHOULD BE CLOSED DOWN.
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Cannonball Taffy O Jones
Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!
06:22 PM on 06/04/2011
Moody's are risk analysts not financial regulators.
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06:27 PM on 06/04/2011
how did they miss the boat on so many companies in 2007?
Impaler
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05:32 AM on 06/06/2011
Ask Mary, the "lady" that heads the SEC and an Obama appointee.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article5364345.ece
08:28 PM on 06/03/2011
If Americans have not figured out that Republicans , drove this economy into this crisis . then Americans deserve , the corporate revolution against the American tax payer backed by Republicans . stop the corporate wars in Pakistan , and Iraq , tax the rich , oil companies and FIRE the REPUBLICANS .
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tonydon
09:47 AM on 06/06/2011
you said it right.
06:38 PM on 06/03/2011
i hate to admit it and i'm no fan of moody's after the collapse of wallstreet, but the usa is in bad shape and needs things fixed. they are right to downgrade. it's a terrible investment as it stands now for long term. congress and our president have some real work to do to get things on track to appease the majority (cause the extremists on both sides will never be happy). the party politics and back and forth mud slinging and fighting and lying have been terrible for decades now, but in the end both parties are responsbile for this mess, and every voter is responsible for this mess, period no buts. as we all elected these people over the years, and let them do what they did to this country. it's time to shake hands, toss out the extremists on both sides and find some sort of middle ground and get to work before this country collapses. we can be remembered as rome II, or we can be america...i choose america.
10:29 PM on 06/05/2011
You owe me $5.
01:46 PM on 06/06/2011
you are right, send me your address or paypal and i'll make good.
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BMHVR
04:58 PM on 06/03/2011
Wait! Isn't that the same rating ageny that gave all those toxic mortgage backed securities investment grade ratings prior to the financial crisis? It is amazing to see that so many people still take the rating agencies and their mostly after-the-fact ratings seriously.
10:51 PM on 06/07/2011
Im surprised that its taken anyone this long to become concrened with the actual value of loans to the US. This should have been a big issue long ago. The nation is digging itself into a deeper hole with this infighting over whether onr not to accept more debt than the more debt than we can ever repay already.
04:18 PM on 06/03/2011
Who should America believe regarding the debt ceiling, Boehner, Cantor and a bunch of Tea party intimidated Repubicans or the agency that establishes our world wide credit rating? Ask yourself this America, who would you believe when you are applying for a loan on something like a car................the salesman is a shiny suit telling you that you can afford it or the credit bureau that tells you your credit score that says you can't? Boehner and the Republicans have ZERO financial clout.................they are just a bunch of "used idea" salesmen trying to manage their reelection lobbyist bank accounts.
03:21 PM on 06/03/2011
Where does Moody's receive its funding?
02:59 PM on 06/03/2011
"Moody's Warns U.S. On Consequences Of Not Raising Debt Limit"

Is this the same rating angency that gave "A " rating to Wall St. correct?
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FogBelter
Illegitimis non carborundum
02:47 PM on 06/03/2011
According to a report by Matt Inglesias, mentioned on the Thom Hartmann Show, a high level Republican stated the Republicans intend on allowing the US to default on the debt in order to drive up unemployment in the belief that the American people will blame Obama for the economic crisis and not connect unemployment with Republican sabotage of the economy. That is the challenge the US is facing... Republican sabotage of the US economy.
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joeisright
Semper Fi
03:26 PM on 06/03/2011
Obamacare already did that.
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FogBelter
Illegitimis non carborundum
04:23 PM on 06/03/2011
You guys need better material, you're getting stale.
03:38 PM on 06/03/2011
an anonymous quote...you might as well have made it up yourself...and probably did. who was the high level republican? you? cant believe this passes as an intelligent site. super user indeed. this just in....a high ranking dem reportedly admitted the prez doesnt know what he's doing...well there you have it. its official.
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FogBelter
Illegitimis non carborundum
04:22 PM on 06/03/2011
The Republicans plan on crashing the economy to win the White House in 2012 ... and they aren't smart enough to keep that act of sabotage to themselves.