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California Circumcision Ban: Proposal Gains Support (VIDEO)

First Posted: 06/06/11 07:40 PM ET Updated: 08/06/11 06:12 AM ET

Circumcision Ban

San Francisco voters won't be able to vote on a proposed ban on circumcision until November. But anticircumcision activists hail the fact that the bill even exists on the ballot as a sign the so-called "intactivist" movement is picking up steam.

The MGM Bill, which stands for "male genital mutilation," calls for the circumcision of boys under the age of 18 to be deemed a misdemeanor, punishable by a maximum of one year in prison and a $1,000 fine. It was drafted by the MGM Bill group, an advocacy organization that has written similar legislation for 46 states.

In order to get the bill on the ballot in San Francisco, supporters had to gather more than 7,000 signatures.

"We believe that it is an utterly justifiable position to ask for a legal ban on the genital cutting of boys," said Georgeanne Chapin, executive director of Intact America, one of the largest intactivist groups in the U.S. The non-profit did not have a hand in pushing for the legislation, but Chapin said she applauds the measure, calling circumcision both medically unnecessary and cruel, regardless of religious customs.

"We don't give a religious or cultural exception to the genital cutting of girls," she said. "So we support a ban on genital cutting of any kind."

Marilyn Milos of the group NOCIRC added that her organization, while also not directly involved in drafting or supporting the legislation, also approved the ban.

"The good thing about this bill is that everybody is now talking about the issue, and it's time it's debated," she told HuffPost. "We need to really look at the issue through a human rights lens."

The MGM bill's author, Matthew Hess, has recently come under fire from the Anti-Defamation League and did not return calls for comment. But according to the group's website, the proposed legislation is modeled after California's Female Genital Mutilation Bill, introduced in the mid 1990s.

Indeed, anticircumcision activists often take pains to refer to circumcision as male genital mutilation. But some take issue with comparing female genital mutilation with male circumcision, which constitutes the removal of the foreskin.

"They are not analogous," said Fred Kogen, M.D., a board certified mohel based in California who says he has performed more then 7,000 circumcisions. "The circumcision of a female is a complete disfigurement; it reduces their sexual enjoyment to zero, or even less than zero."

Kogen said that when it comes to circumcision, he believes people would do well to adopt a balanced, rational perspective, noting that in addition to the religious reasons, circumcision has medical benefits. Various studies have suggested circumcisions can reduce the risks of both urinary tract infections and sexually transmitted diseases. (Intactivists discount these studies.)

"What it comes down to is that parents have to make the decision for their kids, like they do in all regards," Kogen said. "What I don't like is that they're involving the government in saying whether or not people can do this. If it's a misdemeanor, people who perform circumcisions can lose their license. How can you lose your license for something that the research has shown there are benefits to?"

The issue has religious implications, too. In the wake of a New York Times article about a similar effort to ban circumcisions in Santa Monica, a main proponent of the bill has backed off her efforts to gather signatures there. According to The Atlantic Wire, Jena Troutman, who runs the site Whole Baby Revolution, said her campaign had been "misrepresented" as an attack on religion. "It shouldn't have been about religion in the first place," she reportedly said.

San Francisco voters will have to grapple with such issues when they head to the polls this fall. In the meantime, they won't get a lot of guidance from medical organizations, which have remained relatively quiet on the issue. A spokesperson for the CDC said the group has "no position" on the matter.

Jeanne Conry, M.D., chair of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists California branch, said the group supports the American Academy of Pediatrics' position that currently, there isn't enough evidence to support routine neonatal circumcision. But she also indicated it was "reasonable" for parents to take cultural, religious and ethnic traditions as well as medical factors into play when deciding whether or not to circumcise.

"The decision for care," she said, "should be based on a determination between parent, child and healthcare provider, rather than the electorate."

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06:37 AM on 06/24/2011
Congratulations to Fred Kogen, M.D., board certified mohel has performed more than 7,000 circumcisions. This is what he has done to 7,000+ CHILDREN:
on the most sensitive part of one's body has torn apart, clamped, cut, scraped, possibly burn cauterize, and stitched. Did Fred feed back the foreskin to the Devil in the ground dirt or did he sell it to industry? That foreskin that is more skin than what is left to sons and 75% of a male's sexual receptors. British child health expert N.R.C. Roberton points out “it is fundamentally illogical that mutilating someone might be beneficial.”

The official viewpoint of KNMG and other related medical/scientific organisations is that non-therapeutic circumcision of male minors is a violation of children’s rights to autonomy and physical integrity. Contrary to popular belief, circumcision can cause complications – bleeding, infection, urethral stricture and panic attacks are particularly common. KNMG is therefore urging a strong policy of deterrence. KNMG is calling upon doctors to actively and insistently inform parents who are considering the procedure of the absence of medical benefits and the danger of complications.

http://knmg.artsennet.nl/Diensten/knmgpublicaties/KNMGpublicatie/Nontherapeutic-circumcision-of-male-minors-2010.htm

Some people have too much vested to really search for an understanding let alone stop cutting up children, children who can expect to fulfill this study:
Male circumcision and sexual function in men and women: a survey-based, cross-sectional study in Denmark. http://tinyurl.com/3zpo3uq
09:34 AM on 06/19/2011
The keratinization or drying out and building of a layer of keratin of the glans and penile mucosa to protect the penis from air and clothing due to the loss of the prepuce's protection further reduces sensitivity. Here is a picture of a penis with a keratinized glans v a shiny intact penis: http://intactivists.blogspot.com/2011/05/keratinization-and-circumcision-status_315.html
09:32 AM on 06/19/2011
Shane Peterson attempted suicide because of male genital cutting: http://www.circumstitions.com/Shane.html

David Reimer commited suicide after losing his penis as an infant because of male genital cutting: http://www.circumstitions.com/Complic.html#jjj



Do you want your sons to commit suicide because you cut off the most important and sensitive part of their manhood?



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Genital mutilation is a violation of a baby's right to 1st amendment freedom of religion. What if they want to be non religious or buddhist when they grow up? Buddhism treasures the foreskin.
09:30 AM on 06/19/2011
Over 100 infants die each year from genital cutting(that's just reported, many more unreported) in JUST THE US many more worldwide: http://www.icgi.org/2010/04/infant-circumcision-causes-100-deaths-each-year-in-us/



This baby just died a few months ago in Queens NYC from genital cutting: http://www.drmomma.org/2011/05/queens-baby-dies-on-table-during.html





All these deaths and rks are COMPLETELY AVOIDABLE by keeping your kids intact and whole as they're born. This is medically unnecessary and no medical organization in the world recommends male or female infant genital cutting. Do not risk your child's life and his suffering as an adult www.tlctugger.com
09:30 AM on 06/19/2011
Complications of male genital cutting include:

Bleeding

Infection

Insufficient foreskin removed

Excessive foreskin removed

Adhesions/ Skin bridges

Inclusion cysts

Abnormal healing

Meatitis

Meatal stenosis

Urinary retention

Phimosis

Chordee

Hypospadias

Epispadias

Urethrocutaneous fistula

Necrosis of the penis

Amputation of the glans

Death

- Source: http://newborns.stanford.edu/CircComplications.html#inclusion

All avoided by keeping your kids whole and normal
09:28 AM on 06/19/2011
Watch this video of a baby boy being genitally mutilated. Hear the screams, see his face? This is mutilation. This is torture.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRIT5IdTpgY
09:28 AM on 06/19/2011
I am a Male genitally mutilated and hate it like 200,000 other men restoring their foreskin to undo some of the damage and sexual diminishment of genital mutilation: www.tlctugger.com We would have said NO to having our penises being genitally mutilated against our will.



Keep your kids whole all the info you need: www.WholeNetwork.org Doctors Oppose it: www.DoctorsOpposingCircumcision.org Jews oppose it www.JewsAgainstCircumcision.org
08:48 PM on 06/17/2011
This article is biased. Why put the pro circumcision opinion as the last word and not the anti-circumcision one? I've seen this on many other news articles as well. They are trying to influence readers because the last word is the one that is remembered most. They could have written something neutral instead of the person's opinion.
InYourWorld
Progressive, educated, redneck but fan of no party
10:24 PM on 06/15/2011
Shouldn't the republi of Kali focus on budget issues and anchor babies?
08:57 PM on 06/15/2011
Some of the same people who are supporting the ban circumcision law also support the legalization of abortion. They want government not to interfere in a woman's right to choose. But they want the government to tell parents what they should or shouldnt do with their children. What a bunch of hypocrites!!!!!!!!!!!
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William Sherman
10:13 PM on 06/15/2011
What if some Muslim parents wanted to circumcise their little girl? Do you believe the government should step in? Because after all, female circumcision is banned in this country.

What makes one form of genital mutilation any more sacrosanct than another?
InYourWorld
Progressive, educated, redneck but fan of no party
10:25 PM on 06/15/2011
well for one (as i understand) female circumcision is much more drastic and the effects make sex not really enjoyable.
10:35 AM on 06/19/2011
It's called CHOICE. Body autonomy. Self determination. If you want to try and understand these issues without confounding them there is a very good YouTube video called, "On Abortion and Circumcision

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgUmnooti_g
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Jerry Villano
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08:22 PM on 06/15/2011
we have in our mist a new way of looking at rights of the individual..there are those who now believe the child should make the choices in life about what sexuality they intend to become, whether they should keep their foreskin or not, whether or not they want to go to school and other normally accepted traditions. So what is a parent to do...just make sure they are fed, clothed, sheltered and left alone to ponder what they will do with their lives....this is the most rediculous group of people alive...and of course they are in San Francisco, Toronto and other ultra liberal mindless cities who incourage such nonsense. These people are more dangerous then the Terrorist.
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Bob Metcalfe
Caught at 1st. slip trying to cut
12:07 AM on 06/18/2011
Isn't America the bastion of individual rights? What are you a communist?
08:07 PM on 06/18/2011
This is about allowing the child to make the dicision for himself when he is an ADULT.

Circumcision in irreversible, unnecessary cosmetic procedure. It has nothing to do with sexual preference or homeschooling but it does have to do with liberty. The freedom of the adult male to decide whether he wants to have his entire God given private parts.

How do you equate that to blowing up buildings and killing innocent people?
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Bob Metcalfe
Caught at 1st. slip trying to cut
08:55 PM on 06/18/2011
Your post is very rational, and makes me feel a little ashamed of my outburst, but the older I get, the less patience I have with these people sorry. :-)Some people seem to think that children up possessions. And to be honest I can't see how a baby, who is incapable of thinking rationally can make a commitment to God by sacrificing a portion of their penis. What I find really interesting is the fact that non-Jewish and non-Muslim people seem to have this irrational emotional attachment to circumcision, which I find incomprehensible.
08:05 PM on 06/15/2011
I'm circumcised, have been for 53 years. I notice no one is asking us circed guys how we feel about it. So here it is, doesn't bother me a bit, never bothered any of my past partners or my wife, as far as I know. I don;t remember any pain, good thing. I would have been uncomfortable looking different than the other guys in the locker room as an adolescent. I also don't feel sexually mutilated or otherwise violated by my deceased old fashioned parents. Everything normal here. My dad wasn't circumcised as I recall, thought it looked a little weird as a young kid, but he didn't think anything of it, my mother didn't either apparently, lol, never asked. So I guess I'm a little mystified on this one.
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William Sherman
11:18 PM on 06/15/2011
Thousands of sexually sensitive nerve endings were amputated from you at birth. You have no more comprehension of what you lost than a colorblind man has of color.

You've never experienced the sensation of intercourse with a full, intact penis. How do you know you don't miss something if you don't know what you're missing?
01:13 AM on 06/16/2011
You STILL haven't answered my, (I thought) straightforward question; Are you or are you NOT circumcised yourself. If not, then you don't know what a circumcised male feels, and if you ARE, then you really have no clue if your would be different in any way if you had not been. Just tell us. Inquiring minds want to know. And, please don't tell us it's none of our business. You don't mind sticking YOUR opinions into what should be a private decision between family. This question is no more intrusive than you are being.
10:42 AM on 06/19/2011
I was forcibly cut (circumcised) at birth and I am not only upset this heavy handed permanent choice was forced upon me I am working to help educate and help end this form of genital abuse, mutilation, sexual molestation of children.

Your assumption that all who are cut are happy about that is wrong. Many men and women are waking up to this issue and understanding what what removed from them.

Interestingly most adult women in societies that forcibly cut them as little girls grow up to think they are better off because of it too.

The more you know about circumcision the worse it is.
05:18 PM on 06/15/2011
Circumcision mutilates a person. If an adult wishes to do this, like a tatoo or piercing that should be their right, but to do it to innocent children is outrageous and a violation of their rights. Circumcision removes a huge quantity of nerve cells which are located in the foreskin. This significantly reduces male sensitivity making him less liable to be "gentle" with his mate. Without the foreskin, the organ becomes desensitized by rubbing on clothing, furthers reducing male sensitivity. I know that my nephew was circumcised as a 12 year old adult and he suffered tremendously from the huge difference. The problem is women who support circumcision are like men who have never had a breast exam or a pap smear, it's tough to make the call for the other gender. You don't hear these advocates for male circumcision/mutilation sponsoring female circumcision/mutilation: yet many societies practice both. It doesn't make it right! Only adults should have it done to them, at their behest.
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Basselope
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08:43 PM on 06/15/2011
The idea that there is any sensitivity difference has been debunked.

http://www­.webmd.com­/baby/news­/20030430/­circumcisi­on-does-no­t-affect-s­ensitivity

Even those circumcised AS ADULTS reported absolutely no difference.

http://sexuality.about.com/b/2008/01/09/new-circumcision-and-sexual-satisfaction-study-a-cut-above.htm

THe reason no one advocates for female circumcision is that there is a negative impact from it, unlike the removal of the foreskin which is a vestigial flap of skin.
06:09 PM on 06/17/2011
The headline of this article is very misleading and only mentions sexual satisfaction but not the sensitivity of the foreskin. Men's opinions were used rather than instruments to measure the sensitivity.
10:56 PM on 06/20/2011
I can say the same thing about your studies, Yours are more likely to be incorrect. Like I said before there is a market for foreskins and whoever makes these studies has an agenda. Anti-circumcision advocates don't have an agenda and have no reason to make up fraudulent studies. You can believe whatever you like it doesn't mean it is correct either.
01:24 AM on 06/16/2011
Why did your nephew decide to be circumcised at the age of 12? It is much more traumatic for an older child than for an infant. Plus, I doubt that he had had a lot of sexual experience by that time, so exactly HOW did he 'suffer'? I could understand that it WAS traumatic for him at that age, but if he is now sexually unfulfilled (and I'm assuming he's now an adult) then it would more likely be from the psychological trauma and NOT the missing piece of skin. And, it would be nice if you 'proponents' would stop using such terms as 'mutilation' and 'ripped off'. Circumcised men are NOT in any way 'deformed or mutilated', nor do doctors 'rip off' the foreskin. No more than a surgeon 'rips out' a cancer. It is a surgical procedure. There is NO 'ripping' involved. Using inflammatory language is no way to win an argument.
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jdollinter
05:00 PM on 06/15/2011
Submit to the Nanny State and its Control Freak followers. Raise your blinds no more than the prescribed 3 inches and keep your mailbox painted beige or a neutral tan color. Support the Death penalty for smokers and show solidarity against dirt and germs, wash your hands 50 times a day and steam clean using liberal amounts of bleach on every inch of your house or condo .
Encourage twice daily inspections by your block activity coordinator. More to come..