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GOP Freshmen Pledge To 'Trust, But Verify' On Debt Deal After Shutdown Disappointment

Joe Walsh

First Posted: 06/06/11 06:38 PM ET Updated: 08/06/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Freshman House Republicans are skeptical of striking another compromise with the Democratic-controlled White House to raise the debt ceiling. They say they're worried they will be duped into making fewer spending cuts than they would like, a wariness born of the eleventh-hour deal to avoid government shutdown earlier this year.

A top leadership aide said that the freshman class of the GOP is more leery of cutting a deal with Democrats this time around. A deal reached in April to keep the government open cut only $352 million from this year's budget, rather than the $38 billion claimed by House GOP leadership, according to a report by the Congressional Budget Office.

"It's still trust, but definitely verify now, as well," the aide said, adding that the verification process isn't limited to the debt ceiling, but applies to issues such as Libya as well.

Freshman Rep. Joe Walsh (R-Ill.), one of the most vocal members of his class, said the tricks in the FY 2011 budget process will inform his thinking in dealing with the White House and the GOP leadership.

"It's reaffirmed my belief that we weren't bold enough in that fight and we have to double and triple our efforts to be bold in this one, because we can't let that happen again," he told HuffPost. "We will publicly let our leadership know where we stand."

Many of the freshman say they were voted into office in November to bring down spending, and they hope to get as many cuts as possible in exchange for voting to raise the debt ceiling. The government reached its current debt limit, $14.29 trillion, on May 16, but is relying on "extraordinary measures" to avoid default.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner estimated the United States would begin to default on its loans by Aug. 2 if Congress does not vote to raise the debt limit.

But GOP freshmen are not so eager to trust Geithner, who met with first-term House members from both parties on Thursday. Walsh said he was "disgusted" by the secretary's actions at the meeting because Geithner focused on raising revenues as a means for shrinking the deficit -- an option GOP freshmen have said is a non-starter because they pledged not to raise taxes.

"He just didn't seem to get it," Walsh said. "He didn't seem to understand the gravity of the situation, he didn't seem to understand how strongly and passionately these freshmen feel about the situation."

Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.), another freshman, also said he was "disappointed that the secretary offered no specific solutions other than tax increases."

He said the budget process to avoid government shutdown was a teaching moment for the freshman class.

Those budget cuts were "less real than appeared," Brooks told HuffPost. "The cuts need to be immediate. They need to be for FY 12. If there are no cuts now, it's meaningless."

Brooks said he's not distrustful of the House GOP leadership, just more skeptical. He echoed the leadership aide by quoting former President Ronald Reagan's "trust, but verify" line.

"It reminds me that it's my job to trust, but verify," Brooks said.

Many GOP freshmen are making their demands on the debt ceiling deal in a letter to the party leadership that will demand cuts, spending caps and a balanced budget amendment in exchange for "yes" votes on raising the debt ceiling, Walsh told HuffPost.

Rep. Lou Barletta (R-Pa.), a freshman member, compared the preconditions on raising the debt limit to how he'd treat one of his teenage daughters if she maxed out his credit card: pay the bill, and then take the card away.

"It's unfortunate we need to treat politicians here in Washington the way we do our children, but there you go," he said.

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WASHINGTON -- Freshman House Republicans are skeptical of striking another compromise with the Democratic-controlled White House to raise the debt ceiling. They say they're worried they will be duped ...
WASHINGTON -- Freshman House Republicans are skeptical of striking another compromise with the Democratic-controlled White House to raise the debt ceiling. They say they're worried they will be duped ...
 
 
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09:53 PM on 06/08/2011
Hey Boehner, and the rest of you Republicans, WHERE ARE THE JOBS YOU SAID YOU WOULD CREATE? All we have seen so far is Republicans cutting more jobs, making laws about private social issues, trying to give Medicare and Social Security to private companies to run, and scaring the world with their threat to stop allowing the United States to pay her debts.

Obama 2012!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
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beansie
dont bee a dont bee.....bee a do bee...
05:17 PM on 06/07/2011
what a bunch of dopes....THEY have been duped.....oh please!!!!!!
06:57 PM on 06/07/2011
Yes. Fan. If you won't even bother to show up to the meeting........
06/02/11 : WASHINGTON– Congressman Joe Walsh (R-IL) today made the following statement on why he did not attend the debt ceiling meeting at the White House with President Obama yesterday:
"Yesterday, House Republicans went to the White House to discuss the debt ceiling with President Obama. I did not go. The way I saw it, the entire purpose of the meeting, initiated by the President, was to convince the American people that he is engaged on this issue. I did not want to be a prop in his stage play.
walsh.house.gov/
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randyman99
My micro-bio is almost full.
02:30 PM on 06/07/2011
Raising the debt limit isn't about balancing the budget. It's about agreeing to pay for the things you've already committed yourself to pay for.
09:55 PM on 06/08/2011
Well said Randy!

Are the Republican dead beats when it comes to paying their own bills too?

Obama 2012!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
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pkatcher
02:01 PM on 06/07/2011
these FRESHMAN are TRULY freshman..no understanding of government and spending we have OBLIGATIONS to Americans tha toverride your hatredof taxes. THe RICHEST americanspay nearly NOTHING in income tax...MOST ofthem have spent the HUGE BUSH tax cuts on silly homeprojects..the RICH DO NOT MAKE JOBS..one person even had a YACHT built..using his tax reduction...BUT made in ITALY!! taxes o nthe wealthy ARE important s owe can bring down GOP indiced deficits..2 wars Medicare D BUSH IMAGINATION
01:32 PM on 06/07/2011
These freshman are on the right track. We need more of them come 2012.
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RUKidding0
Freedom is Fundamental
01:46 PM on 06/07/2011
# 4
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jh61
If it's blue, vote for it.
01:59 PM on 06/07/2011
Obstructionists who deplore compromise have no place in this government.
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ExpatinCanada
01:03 PM on 06/07/2011
I knew that this guy reminded me of someone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kck3TbiI1QQ&feature=related
02:48 PM on 06/07/2011
Great comparison.... can't stop laughing! Joe Walsh R-IL in particular is a complete charlatan, just like the farting, evangelical preacher in the video... it is like they are openly mocking their followers and how utterly st*pid they are!
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ExpatinCanada
03:45 PM on 06/07/2011
As soon he appeared on the scene my first thought was, "Snake-oil salesman".
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01:00 PM on 06/07/2011
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
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chriss0114
the meanderings of a madman
12:57 PM on 06/07/2011
"Rep. Lou Barletta (R-Pa.), a freshman member, compared the preconditions on raising the debt limit to how he'd treat one of his teenage daughters if she maxed out his credit card: pay the bill, and then take the card away."

that's the problem -- the bills have not BEEN PAID--two unfunded wars, two major tax cuts that were not paid for, Medicare part D not paid for

So Repubs, you havwe always claimed to be the party of fiscal responsibility -- pay the damn bills!

Even St. Ronnie raised taxes and closed loopholes to pay bills!
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azcamp
12:57 PM on 06/07/2011
Only simple-minded newbies would think that getting out of debt involves just cutting expenses.

We do have to stop fighting wars of choice. We have to clean up the government contracting processes that resulted in millions inflated payments to Halliburton and Blackwater. We do have the protect the treasury from fraud.

But, we also have to increase revenue. The tax codes should not require the middle class to sacrifice while the wealthiest Americans pay less than fair share.
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frank day
Obama cares about all of U.S.
01:02 PM on 06/07/2011
#101
01:34 PM on 06/07/2011
Almost half the country pays no income tax. That needs to change. It's unfair to expect half the country to pay while the other half gets a free ride.
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Kiffanik
02:57 PM on 06/07/2011
And most of that 1/2 is at the top. Someone making $20,000/year isn't going to bring in nearly as much in taxes as corporations making billions in profit who are paying no income taxes.
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p47nandmosquito
12:54 PM on 06/07/2011
"'He just didn't seem to get it,' Walsh said. 'He didn't seem to understand the gravity of the situation.'" This guy sounds like he's talking about himself. None of the Republicans seem to understand the gravity of the recession we're in, and none of them seem to understand the gravity of the possibility of a default. Both of these show the possibility of totally collapsing our economy if they aren't addressed, and that's not a theoretical in a few decades thing, that's something that could happen in the next few months.
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Middle of the Roader
02:51 PM on 06/07/2011
Rep Walsh won by an extremely small majority in his district. Despite the lack of a clear majority of support, he is very much "afire" with his newly found fame and power. It will be interesting to see if the middle/working class people who make up a goodly portion of his district and seniors who supported him will vote for him again.

Even Rep Walsh is vulnerable if his constituents continue to be unemployed (Lake Country and McHenry County has fairly high unemployment) and suffer even more greatly than they are now, despite all his rhetoric. In fact he wants to cut most social programs to the bone (unemployment benefits, social security, education grants and government loans, social security and medicare and other "social" programs but continues to support gas subsidies, no additional taxation of the rich (like that has done us alot of good during the Bush years) nor cutting defense spending.

I don't disagree with everything Walsh says, and yes there should be cuts to get this deficit spending under some control, but he is ignorant to think that spending cuts in social programs will do the job alone. You are correct that the answer will have to be multiple initiatives but Walsh seems to think in black and white terms having little nuance to his opinions.
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Almondo
Agnostic Realist Tradevknaught
12:44 PM on 06/07/2011
I find ironic amusement in this whole fiasco.

The pugs want to act like they have a bargaining chip with this but the reality is that they stand to be hurt the most by not raising the limit. If they don't raise it they will see the value of their 401k and stocks tank yet again and while they will undoubtedly stand around passing out blame, they will suffer the most.

The guy who has no 401k and no stock will probably not even care other than being annoyed by the wasted TV airtime it will inflict. (Imagine even more wasted TV airtime than the weiner cookout and the various idiot trials currently underway)

Face it GOBPTea bag waggers your poker hand here is a 2,3,5,6,9 and you are going all in.

Cry me a river and laugh me up an iced latte and don't step on that...thump...rake.
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wrightthewrong
Medicare for All
12:39 PM on 06/07/2011
I will believe that republicans are conservative when they give up the Bush tax cuts and pay for their wars. Until then, they sound like yada, yada, yada to me.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
11:51 AM on 06/07/2011
There are two elements of a balanced (or imbalanced) budget, not one. I would elaborate, but Senator Obama has already done so. In March 2006.

Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America's priorities. Instead, interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans--a debt tax that Washington doesn't want to talk about. If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we would see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies.
   But we are not doing that. Despite repeated efforts by Senators CONRAD and FEINGOLD, the Senate continues to reject a return to the commonsense Pay-go rules that used to apply. Previously, Pay-go rules applied both to increases in mandatory spending and to tax cuts. The Senate had to abide by the commonsense budgeting principle of balancing expenses and revenues. Unfortunately, the principle was abandoned, and now the demands of budget discipline apply only to spending.
   As a result, tax breaks have not been paid for by reductions in Federal spending, and thus the only way to pay for them has been to increase our deficit to historically high levels and borrow more and more money. Now we have to pay for those tax breaks plus the cost of borrowing for them. Instead of reducing the deficit, as some people claimed, the fiscal policies of this administration and its allies in Congress will add more than $600 million in debt for each of the next 5 years. That is why I will once again cosponsor the Pay-go amendment and continue to hope that my colleagues will return to a smart rule that has worked in the past and can work again.


http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r109:5:./temp/~r109wuEFFR:e8114:

The Bush tax cuts, which required violating real Pay-go rules, were the source of the budget problem then, and they are still the problem now. Republicans caused this debt in the first place, and Republicans are responsible to repeal their own irresponsible tax cuts for the over-privileged, before they go nosing around for "savings" from anybody else.
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terry63
treasure hunter.
12:38 PM on 06/07/2011
Repubs were the super minority when Obama was elected , why didnt he roll those tax breaks back?
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
12:43 PM on 06/07/2011
Do you really not know? House Republicans held the Stimulus hostage to prolonging the Bush tax cuts for the over-privileged. And moderates / independents didn't speak up to support President Obama.

Do you even know how to contact your House Representative? Have you ever called him or her, to demand that they repeal the Bush tax cuts for income above $10 million, or above $1 million, or above $250,000 or whatever you consider "rich" to be?
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chriss0114
the meanderings of a madman
01:00 PM on 06/07/2011
he tried the first year he "controlled" the budget -- google 'filibuster' and the Repubs took the house
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wrightthewrong
Medicare for All
12:38 PM on 06/07/2011
and the wars -- don't forget the unpaid-for wars...
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AleMaker
Republicans: protecting aristocracy since 1981
11:25 AM on 06/07/2011
"A top leadership aide said that the freshman class of the GOP is more leery of cutting a deal with Democrats this time around."

Translation: We bargained with the Dems in good faith, and reached a compromise. But our masters smacked us pretty good, so we won't do that again.
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AleMaker
Republicans: protecting aristocracy since 1981
11:13 AM on 06/07/2011
In order to not get fooled again you have to know who fooled you the first time. Obviously, the freshmen GOP politicians have not yet learned that it's their wealthy backers pulling their strings, not the Dems.
01:36 PM on 06/07/2011
Their wealthy backers are pulling their strings and they don't know it? Man you're goofy.
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AleMaker
Republicans: protecting aristocracy since 1981
02:18 PM on 06/07/2011
Yeah, that's what I am. Goofy. Thanks for your in-depth analysis of me. Enjoy your day.
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arkymorgan
Nobody knows the trouble I've been...
05:14 PM on 06/07/2011
In order not to get 'fooled' again, they will also have to get elected again.

With luck, they won't.