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Ahead Of IPO, Some Skeptical Of Groupon's Value

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The Huffington Post   First Posted: 06/06/11 12:35 PM ET Updated: 08/06/11 06:12 AM ET

Daily deals site Groupon's announcement that it will file for an initial public offering has some investors giddy, but critics warn that despite stunning revenue growth, that the company's sheets hold a number of warning signs.

Groupon, launched in 2008, has expanded rapidly in the past 30 months, expanding from a handful of U.S. cities to over 40 countries worldwide, and attaining a valuation estimated to be near $25 billion dollars. But poring through Groupon's S-1 filing with the SEC has some people wondering if the site is anything near as profitable as it seems--and if its revenues are sustainable.

The New York Post notes that while Groupon's revenue increased by 2,241 percent last year, spending rose even more dramatically at 5,732 percent. In 2010, Groupon spent $263.2 million on marketing in the attempt to gain more subscribers (including purchasing Super Bowl ad worth around $3 million). In 2009, it spent $4.5 million on the same cost.

Though Groupon has grown its subscriber base, the value of each subscriber has decreased. Forbes points out that revenue per subscriber has dropped 26 percent from $19 in the third quarter of 2010 to $14 in the first quarter of 2011. Though customers are getting more offers, fewer customers are actually buying those offers. Only 19 percent of subscribers have ever purchased a daily deal.

The problem is especially glaring when it comes to Groupon's hold on its existing consumers. Revenue from older customers has declined 57 percent from $58 to $37. A post from Yipit points out that though such deterioration in older customers tends to follow the aging of those customers, that the average age of the Groupon customer has stayed the same. But these customers, who should be Groupon's most loyal, are buying subsequent deals at a lower rate, and are less engaged with the site generally.

Additionally, Groupon could be losing a hold on its merchants, as the site is selling less and less deals per merchant. As Groupon's subscriber base grows, the number of deals offered grows even faster. And as customers become less disengaged, Groupon's ability to effectively satisfy merchants is endangered.

Others have countered that worries about Groupon's future are unfounded.

"At some point, their sales and marketing costs will slow and these guys will make a lot of money," Eric Jackson with the investment firm Ironfire Capital told the New York Post, adding, "It will be a blockbuster IPO."

In the meantime, Groupon must also contend with a whole slew of competitors, including the similar LivingSocial and heavyweights like Google and Facebook.


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01:14 PM on 06/12/2011
any merchant that uses groupon rather than putting forward a little effort to do their own marketing is being foolish. the groupon idea has been around forever. radio stations did this crap years ago. in the end, every merchant will realize that groupon is profiting from their client's lack of sophistication. it creates ZERO goodwill for a merchant.

this business model has 2 more years... MAX. that will be when they run out of suckers, the foolish, and desperate clients.
12:21 AM on 06/12/2011
Aside from Groupons “model” – working or not – lets point out another element here. While the major economic recession has operationally reconditions shoppers to clip coupons more and look for discounts, is this what we want to condition shoppers to do long term? http://bit.ly/kB1Zn2
07:29 AM on 06/07/2011
Anyone buying Groupon stock doesn't really use Groupon.
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johndpieper
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07:33 PM on 06/06/2011
I agree with most of you guys. I get Groupon updates from their App on my iphone. So far, they have been for highly specific niche markets or products. Nothing for the everyday buyer who is looking for a good deal to feed his family, or provide some entertainment. I think they are over valued or over-hyped. Either that, or they are marketing to the wrong demographic. The specials are for the "spa" and "B and B" class.
05:36 PM on 06/06/2011
I signed up to see those Groupon deals and I have not seen one yet that interested me. Groupon is the most overrated company out there. It will have a huge IPO and the price will skyrocket on day 1. Check back though in 6 months and I bet the price will be less than half of Day 1 trading prices. They simply have too much competition, the deals are big discounts on stuff most people could care less about, and small businesses have lost a lot of money trying out Groupon. Pass.
07:58 PM on 06/07/2011
Ditto!
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steama
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04:49 PM on 06/06/2011
I tried Groupon for a month waiting for that 'better than average newspaper deal'. Never saw one come along. I don't really see any value for what Groupon is.

I think Groupon has a great deal to worry about.
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04:32 PM on 06/06/2011
Just remember One Thing ... and do not ever Forget it:

"Wall Street sells Transactions."

Like the owners of a Casino, they don't care whether you win or you lose. They only care that you, and millions of suck... I mean, very clever investors ... just like you, walk into their establishments and Pull The Handle like so many mice in so many psychological experiments.

Which is who you are. Which is where you are.

Groupon is "a well-known name(TM)," thanks to Wall's superlative marketing department. You might never have known that they existed six months ago, but now you, and Very Clever Investors Just Like You, absolutely can't stop hearing all about them. Why? Because they want you to pull the lever.

This is called, "crowd psychology." Their hope is that you will Follow The Crowd. And, that you will start gambling instead of investing.

Groupon's business concept is trivially simple: "We Sell Coupons." But from the point-of-view of Wall Street, it's more like Pavlov's Dog (and that, by the way, is your cue either to bark or to salivate or both). If I say "Coupon," I want you to think "Groupon," and if I then say, "everybody uses Coupons," Wall Street wants you to start frantically pulling that lever.
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03:55 PM on 06/06/2011
Groupon has one huge competitive disadvantage.  Google has the planet's best database of matching internet users to their actual purchase desires.  Not simply search history and internet history but also their e-mails, documents, and so forth.  Google can better match businesses to buyers, which makes the service more valuable on both sides.
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05:54 PM on 06/06/2011
That's right, Groupon is a labor intensive business that's flying blind. Below dblueII posted

"I cancelled my subscripti�on last week. It was useless to me. I want what I want, not what they want me to want."

which validates your point. Unless you have a database to make the offers relevant, the users will eventually leave.
02:20 PM on 06/06/2011
Yes, there is huge trouble for Groupon - the biggest trouble is that the customers and merchants will catch on to the gimmick and this fad will die quickly.

http://mankabros.com/blogs/onmedea/2011/01/13/the-trouble-with-groupon/
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04:40 PM on 06/06/2011
Equally likely will be the realization that most coupons that can be sold are fundamentally regional in nature. It does no good to sell me a coupon for a merchant in Pittsburgh because I don't live in Pittsburgh. In fact, it does no good to sell me a coupon for a merchant ten miles away from where I live. Advertisers have known this for years.

In order for a company like this one even to survive, let alone operate at the cash-volumes demanded by Wall Street and by the ever-hopeful IPO suck... I mean, investors... well, "a lot of money has to come from somebody somewhere." And there are exactly two choices: (a) the person who gets the coupon, or (b) the company that issues it.

Or: (a) that you will be willing to pay dearly to "get a bargain" (got that?), or (b) that the merchant will pay dearly to get you into their door once, just so that you can carry out a doubly unprofitable transaction.

The casino mentality, however, hopes that you will consider yourself to be "such a Wise Investor" that this kind of common-sense claptrap means nothing to you ... "if everyone else in The Crowd is doing it, or even if My Broker Says They Are, why, it must be a really good thing to do."
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Mondayboy
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02:15 PM on 06/06/2011
The intrinsic value of Groupon is zero!!
01:26 PM on 06/06/2011
"The problem is especially glaring when it comes to Groupon's hold on its existing consumers. Revenue from older customers has declined 57 percent from $58 to $37".

As a subscriber, I have not seen any interesting coupons yet. To get more "product" in (merchants to be listed) seems a very labor intensive task.
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dblueII
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01:20 PM on 06/06/2011
I cancelled my subscription last week. It was useless to me. I want what I want, not what they want me to want.
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12:40 PM on 06/06/2011
Well, no one likes losing money and apparently, Goupon lost between $98 and $413 million dollars in 2010. I'm sure those are scary figures for their board of trustees and worries the hell out of their 7000 employees.
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Jack Daniels Esq
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12:22 PM on 06/06/2011
OMFG - is Muddy Waters gonna short this stock also ...?