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White House Taking 'Seriously' Al Qaeda's Eying Of America's Gun Show Loophole

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First Posted: 06/07/11 12:04 PM ET Updated: 08/07/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration says it's taking "seriously" a statement from an al Qaeda spokesman that instructs sympathizers of the terrorist group to exploit soft spots in U.S. gun laws.

Last week, Adam Gadahn, an American-born spokesman for al Qaeda, released a video informing followers that, "America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms" and urging them to exploit what is commonly known as the gun show loophole.

"You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle without a background check and, most likely, without having to show an identification card," Gadahn added. "So what are you waiting for?”

The remarks alarmed gun control advocates, who have warned for years that lax background checks at gun shows provided the easiest of vehicles for terrorists (foreign or domestic) to get their hands on firearms. That al Qaeda's awareness of the so-called loophole was getting scant attention in the press raised concerns further.

Asked for comment on Monday by The Huffington Post, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney acknowledged that he was "not aware of [Gadhan's] statement," before adding that members of the administration were "very mindful of any threats emanating from al Qaeda and take them seriously."

A gun rights advocate who has worked alongside the administration said that the president's team had both seen Gadahn's remarks and was aware of the concerns stemming from them.

Matt Miller, a spokesman for the Justice Department, told The Huffington Post that the administration "supports closing the gun show loophole so that criminals and other people who are prohibited by law from purchasing guns can't acquire them."

Under current law, private sellers are not required to perform background checks at gun shows, something that federal licensed dealers are required to do. By some estimations, private sales make up 40 percent of total gun show sales.

The Justice Department held discussions several months ago about various ways to apply more comprehensive screens to firearm sales. The final product of those talks is not yet known -- a growing point of frustration for gun-control advocates. But there is hope that, at the very least, some executive actions will be taken to strengthen gun protection laws.

But closing the gun show loophole is not a possible executive action. To change the current gun show system to require background checks from private sellers would take an act from the legislative branch. Obama could instruct the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to ramp up undercover investigations of sales at gun shows, something that advocates have encouraged him to do.

Gadahn's statement has also raised concerns about the so-called 'terror gap' in current gun policy: Gun sellers do not have power under law to stop the purchase of a firearm even if the purchaser is on the terror watch list. The Government Accountability Office has determined that more than 1,200 sales to individuals on the watch list took place between February 2004 and February 2010.

A high-profile hearing on the matter ended with Republican senators insisting they would be uncomfortable restricting firearm access to individuals wrongly put on the terror watch list. There is bipartisan legislation pending that would give the Attorney General discretion to slow down such sales, but its path for passage remains obscure.

"A terror suspect can't take a regular sized tube of Crest into the airport, much less board a plane, but they can buy an AK-47 with no questions asked," said Mark Glaze, Director of the group Mayors Against Illegal Guns. "I'm pretty sure if the NRA membership knew its leadership was fighting to protect that special privilege for terrorists, they'd object."

The NRA did not immediately return request for comment Tuesday.

[UPDATE: 2:30 pm:

Multiple readers have noted that Gadahn's statement -- that you can buy a fully automatic weapon at a gun show -- is not true. You can, in fact, get (nearly) everything but a full-automatic. That being said, one gun control advocate notes that purchasers can buy "conversion kits" to turn semi-automatics into full-automatics, and there have been documented cases of individuals doing so.]

* This update was edited for more clarity.

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11:30 PM on 06/24/2011
This article would be laughable, were it not that so many people will believe it's true.

Others have pointed out that full-auto "machine guns" are not available at gun shows (and if they are, you can bet ATF agents will carefully watch any transaction) and they require a time consuming registration process.

Those supposed "kits" to turn firearms into machine guns are usually very problematic. Almost none of the semi-auto "military style" rifles have their receivers machined away to accept these parts kits. That means you need access to a precision machine shop and experienced machinists to convert the rifle. Even then, most of these conversions fail or are unreliable due to other factors.

Gun dealers have no access to the "terror watch list" so they cannot even check the buyer. Even if they use the FBI's NICS, the watch list cannot be properly & legally used as it would deny one's rights without due process (akin to arresting you without warrant or charge simply because you're on a "secret list" maintained by bureaucrats).

Gun Dealers are now expressing concern & doubt about the legality and worth of background checks in light of the ATF Fast & Furious ("Gunwalker") scandal. When the gun watchdog allows thousands of illegal sales to arm drug cartels in Mexico, will they allow a gun dealer to sell to a known terrorist too? The government simply desires to know who owns guns so they can easily excuse heavy-handed paramilitary raids when serving a minor warrant.
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04:05 AM on 06/20/2011
Our biggest exports are weapons and war.

We should sell weapons directly too the people who finance AQ.......oh right we do already!!

Why Is the U.S. Selling Saudi Arabia $60 Billion in Arms? -

Global ...Sep 14, 2010 ... $60 billion-worth of arms—the largest such deal in U.S. history—are set to be sold to Saudi Arabia. The Obama administration appears to be ...
www.theatlanticwire.com/...s-selling-saudi-arabia...arms/23045/ - Cached
03:35 PM on 06/15/2011
wow, I can go to a gun show and come back with a fully-automatic weapon ? Tell me where, I'll get the car keys!!!!

Sounds like AQ doesn't want Markins to own guns. Like Adm. Yamamoto said, a rifle behind every blade of grass.

NB: fully-automatic weapons are regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Gun Control Act of 1968, and are most definitely NOT available at your local gun show.

This is almost as good as Human Rights Watch proclaiming that high-powered weapons became legally available once the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban expired. They were legally available while it was in effect.

If it's criminal to own guns, only the criminals in Al Qaeda will have them (and I guarantee you, they're taking the Mexican model of disarmed citizenry and heavily armed illegal actors as a scenario worth supporting here in the US. Enjoy, Mad Max is coming your way, and it's not because law-abiding citizens have guns, it's cause we're rich idiots and don't notice that all dem po' folks is getting p'd.
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04:31 AM on 06/20/2011
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12:15 AM on 06/13/2011
oh goody, now they have a "good" reason to disarm us!
02:33 AM on 06/12/2011
As a violence policy advocate, the steps needed to end gun violence are clear.

The First step is to take advantage of high profile incidents.
The Second step is to marginalize legal gun use and historic precedent.
The Third step is to make some guns seem more dangerous than others, even if they are not.
The Fourth step is to register every sale.
The Fifth step is a robust “Shall Issue” permitting process.
The Final step is to encourage and incentivize the forfeiture of arms.

http://tinyurl.com/4k346he
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dbrett480
08:22 PM on 06/11/2011
It's a great idea to close the gun show loophole. However I highly doubt that any private seller at a gun show will sell weapons to people with dark skin.
11:28 PM on 06/11/2011
Adam Yahiye Gadahn is Jewish by birth. His skin is white. That is, if we can even believe he's anything other than a CIA propagandist. I mean really; why would al Qaeda even trust an American born Jew to be their spokesman? Can you say PHONY?
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OdinsEye
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05:13 PM on 06/13/2011
"It's a great idea to close the gun show loophole. "

Name a single federal firearm law which changes or ceases to be in effect upon enterring a gun show.

"However I highly doubt that any private seller at a gun show will sell weapons to people with dark skin. "

Your bigotry is showing. I have seen people of all races buying and selling at shows. My own skin is somewhat dark being half Latino and half Asian and I have never had a problem at gun shows.
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dbrett480
05:41 PM on 06/13/2011
Sellers at a gun show are exempt from the background check requirement. I've been to gun shows and am a gun owner, so I'm familiar with gun rules and regulations.
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11:50 AM on 06/11/2011
Ragged has been banned again.
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Rooster Coburn
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01:01 PM on 06/11/2011
Awright, let's see who can be the first to I.D. his next re-incarnation!
01:59 PM on 06/11/2011
I suspect he was "owned" by "some guy"...
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mackbolan
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02:47 AM on 06/11/2011
i guess if you keep the terrorists out of the country they cannot buy weapons at the local gun show...if you do that there is no need for my rights to be restricted...
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gomezrules
Why Don't We Do It In The Road?
12:19 PM on 06/10/2011
So the Obama admin will use this as a reason to target gun shows, but still not do what's necessary to keep the terrorists and other illegals out of the country to begin with? If this was such a problem, why haven't the Muslims been doing this from the get-go?

It's hard to take an entity like the present admin seriously when they say they want to clamp down on potential gun sales to unseemly elements, but refuse to enforce the laws on the books that might help keep bad elements OUT of the country! Selective enforcement of the nation's laws does not contribute to being believable on anything else!
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Rooster Coburn
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02:08 PM on 06/10/2011
The porosity of our Southern border with Mexico is a far greater threat than the mere speculation that terrorists could acquire weapons at American gun shows.  If we can't keep Mexican nationals from crossing our borders at will how can we keep NMMs (Non-Mexican Nationals) from doing so as well?
09:22 AM on 06/10/2011
The White House should “Take Seriously” that it appears more and more likely that high-ranking administration officials in both the Justice and State Departments not only lied to the American people, but also conspired to increase the number of US firearms being smuggled into Mexico. Shame on them for trying to blame Mexico’s problem on US gun shops when the shops were calling them to report suspicious activity. All the while the BATF were the suspicious activity.

Even the Wall Street Journal is starting to pay attention.

http://tinyurl.com/3z47bns

What did our president know and when did he know it?
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Rooster Coburn
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12:00 PM on 06/10/2011
http://keepandbeararms.com/  A good source of information on "Project Gunwalker".  ATF allowing guns to be illegally exported to Mexico.
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splashy
Really?!?!!!
03:44 AM on 06/10/2011
So, we have the NRA to thank for this, along with the arms dealers. The cartels figured this out quite some time ago, and look at how many they have been killing in Mexico and other places.

I'm hoping the marketing tactic blows up in the faces of the arms dealers and the NRA, who have blocked any reasonable restrictions on gun sales like closing this loophole.

I'm also hoping that all the people who have been snookered by the arms dealers playing on their fears will come to realize that restrictions benefit everyone, and that it's time to start pulling back from the everyone should have guns stance.
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03:57 AM on 06/10/2011
That's right, splashy.
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02:41 PM on 06/10/2011
It is so excellent that you have so much to add! You tell em!
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Jason Oelmann
07:22 AM on 06/16/2011
No, that's actually all wrong. Splashy needs to do his homework and stick to facts.
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molonlabe
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08:55 AM on 06/10/2011
All rhetoric and no facts.

Obviously you haven't been paying attention lately, since it appears we have our own ATF to thank for Mexico obtaining US weapons, much more than those mom & pop dun dealers on our south west borders and gun shows:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/02/23/eveningnews/main20035609.shtml

"...and that it's time to start pulling back from the everyone should have guns stance. "

Can you provide a link or citation showing that the NRA holds such a stance?

I'll wait.....
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Rooster Coburn
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02:16 PM on 06/10/2011
http://keepandbeararms.com/news/nl/disp.asp?d=6/10/2011
Starting 1/3 of the way down the page is a treasure trove of information about the mounting "Project Gunwalker" scandal that threatens the current Administration in Washington, D.C.
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06:23 PM on 06/09/2011
"That being said, one gun control advocate notes that purchasers can buy "conversion kits" to turn semi-automatics into full-automatics, and there have been documented cases of individuals doing so."

Also not true.
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06:58 PM on 06/09/2011
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11:32 PM on 06/09/2011
Wow, if you say it is not true then it must not be true. Sure!
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03:51 PM on 06/10/2011
http://www.diamondbacktalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9
A touching and heartwarming tale of a man's frustrating but ultimately fulfilling relationship with a new gun.  Despite many ups and downs they ultimately came to depend on one another's reliability and faithfulness.
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eaglespark
"Why waste time learning? Ignorance is quicker."
05:20 PM on 06/09/2011
I have also noticed the frequency of this statement: "Nobody needs (or: "I do not need") a gun for self-defense". I have already been in that situation, myself, and I did not have a good means of defense with me at the time. The results were personally horrific for me, I assure you.

Does violent criminal attack happen frequently in the USA?
Violent Crime (all) every 22 seconds
Assault (all) every 37 seconds
Robbery every 60 seconds
Rape every 6 minutes
Murder every 31 minutes
http://www.crimedoctor.com/homeinvasion.htm

Do citizens defend themselves successfully against criminals, what methods do they use and what method results in the lowest injury rate?
Assault--
Rates of injury by victim's method of protection:
(from Point Blank, by Gary Kleck)
Physical force (non-weapon) - 51%
Try to get help - 49%
Knife - 40%
Non-violent evasion - 35%
Attempt to threaten or reason - 31%
Other measures - 27%
No self protection carried - 25%
All other weapons - 22%
Gun - 17%
http://www.catb.org/~esr/guns/point-blank-summary.html

Anyone, anywhere at any time may find themselves targeted by a violent criminal, in spite of their best efforts to avoid it. It has already happened to myself (more than once) and others I personally know. If it does happen to you, I guarantee it will be a life-changing experience for you. Will you have the emergency equipment that might help you in that case? Totally up to you...
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eaglespark
"Why waste time learning? Ignorance is quicker."
05:28 PM on 06/09/2011
http://www.catb.org/~esr/guns/point-blank-summary.html
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03:41 PM on 06/10/2011
http://www.americangunshows.com/GunShowsList.htm
Concerned about a gun show coming to an area near you?  Check out the facts at the URL above.
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07:03 PM on 06/09/2011
You cats on the far right on the one hand says that only gang bangers use guns and only the "bad guys" do in the bad neighborhoods. Then you point to statistics saying we may be a victim of crime any moment.  Which is it?   I think you are truly paranoid if you go through life thinking about being a victim of crime all the time.  No wonder you guys hunker down, paranoid, with your guns for protection.  What a way to live!  Do you have any idea about the fact that having a gun at home increases the chances someone will commit suicide in your home or be killed by accident. Do you figure those realities into your statistics? Of course not, because the whole argument is way over your heads.
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eaglespark
"Why waste time learning? Ignorance is quicker."
08:36 PM on 06/09/2011
"You cats on the far right..." --that is not me. Unless you think that a longtime Oregon Democrat union-member guy who voted for Obama and wants health care reform and equal rights for gays and lesbians is "far right".
"...says that only gang bangers use guns and only the "bad guys" do in the bad neighborho­ods." --No, I do not say that.
"You point to statistics saying we may be a victim of crime any moment." --Well somebody is, yes-- every 22 seconds in this country. By which I mean that it is not a rare occurrence.
"I think you are truly paranoid if you go through life thinking about being a victim of crime all the time." -- I did not say that, you said it, and it is not true, either. I do not think about it all the time, but I cannot ever forget the experience of being violently attacked by a stranger in public and being injured. That experience has changed my opinions and attitudes about some things, yes. "Paranoid"? Not by my understanding of the word, no.
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eaglespark
"Why waste time learning? Ignorance is quicker."
08:38 PM on 06/09/2011
"Hunker down, paranoid, with your guns for protection" --That does not describe me at all. Again, do not expect to make up fiction about people you do not know without being called on it.
"Do you figure those realities into your statistics­? Of course not" --Wrong again. I fully understand how dangerous firearms can be in the home, which is why I am such a nut about safety procedures.
"The whole argument is way over your heads." --No, it is not. I understand your argument, I just do not agree. Disagreement is not indicative of stupidity. Myself, my other family members and our ancestors have a history with firearm ownership in this country that goes back over 150 years. As far as the 20th century is concerned, none of us have had any accidents resulting in serious injury or fatality. None of us have ever committed any crimes with firearms either. I have owned and used firearms of various types for 40 years now, and carried a handgun every day for 15 years with no resultant problems. Those are the realities I figure into my personal statistics. Also, your condescending attitude is not helping your argument. I would like to see real debate on this issue here, myself, without all the name-calling, ad hominems and straw men. Perhaps one day, I will-- hope springs eternal.
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eaglespark
"Why waste time learning? Ignorance is quicker."
03:38 PM on 06/09/2011
I see that some people are still saying this: "Under current law, private sellers are not required to perform background checks at gun shows, something that federal licensed dealers are required to do." That is from the above story and it is being repeated by some posters here as well. Again:

This is incorrect. It depends on where the gun show is and the type of firearm being purchased: "Presently, 17 states regulate private firearm sales at gun shows. Seven states require background checks on all gun sales at gun shows (California, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Oregon, New York, Illinois and Colorado). Four states (Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania) require background checks on all handgun, but not long gun, purchasers at gun shows. Six states require individuals to obtain a permit to purchase handguns that involves a background check (Massachusetts, Michigan, North Carolina, Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota). Certain counties in Florida require background checks on all private sales of handguns at gun shows. The remaining 33 states do not restrict private, intrastate sales of firearms at gun shows in any manner."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_shows_in_the_United_States
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splashy
Really?!?!!!
03:55 AM on 06/10/2011
The statement you quote says nothing about where they aren't required to perform background checks, it only says that they aren't, which means that if they aren't in any states then people can get guns without background checks. Since it appears that 40% of the sales are private sales, then a large percentage don't require background checks. I would imagine most of the sales are in the states that don't require them, because there is less hassle for the sellers. They would tend to gravitate toward those states, along with buyers.