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Using Groupon 'Worst Decision I Have Ever Made,' Says Merchant

The Huffington Post   First Posted: 06/10/11 03:59 PM ET Updated: 08/10/11 06:12 AM ET

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As Groupon prepares for its IPO, critics are circling the daily deals site wondering whether it's worth the hefty $25 billion valuation it currently holds. Key to the future of Groupon's success is its ability to woo merchants, with the promise that participating will boost business and draw new customers.

But recent story in TechCrunch highlighted the hesitation that some merchants may feel about getting involved with the site. TechCrunch revisited one merchant who proclaimed that signing up for Groupon was the "single worst business decision" she had made. Her story echoes other merchants who have claimed that Groupons actually result in unprofitability, administrative nightmares, and, to cap it all off, that they don't result in new regular customers.

Jessie Burke, owner of Posies Cafe in Oregon, first told her story in September 2010. According to Burke, Groupon pushed her to offer a deal that would let users buy $13 of product for $6. Groupon originally wanted 100 percent of the money (what it usually takes when consumers pay less than $10 on a deal), but relented, revising their percentage cut of the deal price to 50 percent.

But, though Burke saw an uptick in business, her cafe ended losing close to $10,000 because of the Groupon campaign. Though Groupon had told her that 98 percent of the customers who came in for the deal would spend more than the value of the Groupon, most did not, or if they did, at small amounts closer to 10 cents than to 5 dollars. Burke also noticed that few of the Groupon users became regulars, with many coming from out of town, others trying to redeem multiple deals at once, and some even behaving abusively to staff.

To make matters worse, the Groupon resulted in several administrative nightmares. Tracking 900 deals proved extremely difficult, and ended up in multiple instances of fraud with users redeeming the same Groupon more than once. The deal, scheduled by Groupon, ended up occurring at the same time as another business boosting event, so that huge lines formed out the door, an unideal situation for a cafe.

“What was the saddest part of it for me was that this had had happened to a lot of businesses but because no one had ever said anything we all just assumed (and myself included) we just assumed we were bad business people. That we just didn’t know what we were doing. If everyone loves Groupon so much, we must be wrong," she told TechCrunch.

But Burke is not alone. The Wall Street Journal picked up the story of U.S. Toy Co this January, a family toy store that ended up with 2,800 customers on a retail deal, but ended up losing money on 75 percent of the deals. Like Burke, Groupon took 50 percent of the deal profit, which had offered $20 of toys for $10, leaving U.S. Toy with $5 on each deal. Customers ended up spending less than the normal average per sale. And, owners estimated that 90 percent of the deal users were already regulars--not new customers.

These stories tally up with a few reports that have been released regarding Groupon use and merchant satisfaction. Business Insider reported the findings of entrepreneur Dylan Collins, who studied data from U.K. salon booking software Phorest. Collins determined that only 1 percent of Groupon's customers end up as regulars, but that businesses actually need at least 10 percent to do so for such campaigns to be financially feasible. He also found that only 10 percent of merchants who'd run campaigns had run, or planned to run, future campaigns.

CEO Andrew Mason has said that 97 percent of featured merchants want to run additional campaigns. But yet another study, this one from Rice University surveyed 150 businesses in 19 U.S. cities, and found that this might not be the case. Of those respondents, only 60 percent indicated they would want to run another campaign. Thirty-four percent of them did not make a profit on the deal.

While it might make more sense for certain kinds of businesses (services rather than products) to run Groupons, the high cut taken from each deal, combined with the possibility that customers won't spend more than the deal amount (which businesses would keep all of), and most of all, the failure of such deals to create new customers, presents a problem for Groupon. As the company gets ready to make its IPO, such issues only lend credibility to the chorus of naysayers insisting that Groupon itself is a bad deal.

Are you a merchant that's run a Groupon? Were your experiences positive or negative? Email us at technology[at]huffingtonpost.com to tell us your story.

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06:09 AM on 06/14/2011
For insights from a Groupon cloner check out this article http://www.techberlin.com/post/6517580180/is-groupon-doomed
09:40 AM on 06/15/2011
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06:33 PM on 06/13/2011
I only tried Goupon once. When I tried to redeem the coupon, the bakery was sold out and told me I'd have to come back. Still haven't bothered.
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08:21 AM on 06/13/2011
Groupon is a gateway to the drug of bankruptcy.
01:33 AM on 06/13/2011
Wow there are more than a few people who hate groupon here! Maybe I use groupon differently than most since I do not count myself as a penny pincher etc. What I really like about groupon is that I am able to learn about products and services I was already inclined to buy but was simply looking for a local(ish) provider. Here are a few examples:

1. My friend bought laser treatments on groupon, I missed the deal but called the company and signed up anyway at full price. My friend and I now go together and make a day of it. I never would have signed up without my friend.
2. I bought tickets to watch a play at a venue I never have previously attended. I will be buying full price tickets to that groupon venue (most likely season tickets) for next season.
3. I just bought tickets (yesterday) to go wine tasting at a winery. Chances are I never would have found this winery myself. Now, I will go to the wine tasting with a group of girlfriends and knowing us, we will probably buy a few bottles there.

Maybe I am in the minority, but the establishments I have gone to as a result of groupon have or will make money off me. With all that said, I don't think I am the only person who uses groupon in this manner so maybe groupon has a future afterall.
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08:17 AM on 06/13/2011
The headline says "Bad for Merchants?" another aspect of Groupon is that regular customers stay on the sidelines hoping for another dose of free goods and services. Groupon disrupts the flow of commerce, and turns regular customers into deal hunters, in whose mind the services have been significantly devalued.
02:37 PM on 06/13/2011
Yes, and my comment explains why Groupon is not necessarily bad for merchants. As for a service being devalued, I'm not sure I agree with you there- I don't think my box of Rice Crispies is devalued when a coupon for $1.00 off is offered in the Sunday paper, so why would I feel differently regarding the savings on services offered through Groupon?.
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11:00 PM on 06/12/2011
I resent Groupon customers. Why should my customer experience be compromised by tire-kicking bottom feeders who care only about a sweet deal?
Businesses are more than profit centers for the owners. They contribute hugely to, and define the quality of life for a neighborhood. If you have several good restaurants, a good coffee shop, a theater, a good bar, grocers that sell quality foodstuffs, you are in a desirable neighborhood, I support my local businesses, including Posies. Selling the promise of a Walmart deal from a Macys business is based on somebody doing some serious lying. I would be pleased to see the whole Groupon thing die,
07:31 AM on 06/14/2011
Groupon ..... the concept as a whole is excellent. If merchants are truly losing money and not getting new customers, something needs revamping.

Coupons are a great concept... but must be used very cautiously by small business.
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you've caught me!
09:18 PM on 06/12/2011
groupon is just one of many setups that appeal to those who only want a deal. there is a crowd that wants what they want at the cheapest rate possible. they don't care that what they are getting is not supported by the amount of money they are forking over.

they don't tend to be loyal, either. in fact they specialize in playing one company off of another.

while i don't mind a deal, i know that it's not possible to grant $100 worth of product or service for more than 20% off for very long without the business providing the product or service eventually shrinking.

the first thing to fall off will be service levels, as demand soars and staff is not augmented to accommodate the rush. most likely this is not in the budget because things are so tight as it is.

this leads to more pressure and frayed nerves, with the front line staff getting the heat.

i wish i could offer a solution that would work for every company, but creating a situation where staff has to do 2-3 times the work on just one customer because of a lot of back-and-forth is not one of them.

companies should examine what they have and look for their loss leaders, so that they can have as much advantage as possible during such promotions. the object is to increase traffic but it is also to attract QUALITY CUSTOMERS, not just warm bodies.
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07:54 PM on 06/12/2011
Almost all of the comments concerning this story suggest that Groupon is bad news all the way `round. . Many thanks. I shall heed the advice.
07:11 PM on 06/12/2011
Groupon was very persistent in trying to sign up my Pilates studio which has a large regular clientele. Groupon refused to offer the 'deal' to first time clients only which meant that all of my regular clients were going to get 10 classes at 75% off. I couldn't afford that loss and risk in hopes of a few new clients who may or may not have become regular clients. I said no thank you.
06:57 PM on 06/12/2011
Selling below cost will never be profitable.
12:47 PM on 06/13/2011
Unless one can build options into the same sale. Without options, one could lose money. With options, the dynamic is different. I can lose money on a razor but make money when the built in option of blades is exercised. Similarly, I can bundle products. An extreme example is a mortgage where the bank gives you an interest free loan and loses money (interest) upfront but then earns it back over time.

Groupon's value proposition is the built in option. The question is how effectively can the customer be made to exercise the option. Since not all customers use this option (come back a second time, that is), the option needs to be priced more tightly. An ideal option will take the consumer's propensity to buy (e.g., based on the guy's buying habits, coupon cutting habits, credit history, whatever) and price it accordingly. Without this kind of tying up of the coupons with the consumers' habits, arbitrage opportunities exist for both the consumer and for Groupon, both of whom are taking advantage of the situation. Thus, what you see here is a huge value being transferred from the business to Groupon and consumer.

But a study of the value transferred can be useful to the business to see where the correct values lie. If the business survives that long, that is.
06:47 PM on 06/12/2011
Aside from losing our shirt on these deals, my least favorite part about it has to be the whiney, helpless, irritable customers it attracts.
06:31 PM on 06/12/2011
People fail to realize that Groupon's customers are not consumers but merchants.
For small businesses, once or twice testing Groupon will show that traffic will not grow.
For large national businesses, alternative pricing and marketing strategies will avoid Groupon.
Since most of Groupon's cost has gone into building a salesforce, how long before that becomes so costly, that only a Ponzi scheme like Amway became will keep them going. 1 year? Yes.

The next generation of promotion marketing will focus on consumer push from smart devices, looking for deals but with anonymity through a proxy cloud provider. What get's pushed back to the consumer will be negotiated, prices that are time sensitive and location aware.

Any merchant can use such a service, assuming it is a trusted party. The fee? Look at how OpenTable.com handles restaurant reservations. It is a good start for a working model. As for coupons, they won't go away but they will become individualized using 1-to-1 marketing.

Don't bother shorting Groupon once public...there will be too many other shorters competing.
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04:52 PM on 06/12/2011
My wife and I recently spent 2.5 hours in a wellness (ugh!) centre, and the first thing they reminded us was that we got the deal through Groupon. The service was subsequently poor, and there is no way I'd go back. Would it have been better if we'd paid full price? I guess we'll never know...
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05:54 PM on 06/12/2011
Similar situation happened to us. We went to a salt air breathing spa and were treated less than attentive to say the least and specifically told that gratuity was not included with the Groupon deal. Had they given even decent service I would have tipped a lot as I would at any spa. I always make sure to use cash not credit for tips or include extra if it must be credit and treat people very well but we were so snubbed by the staff and treated poorly that I felt so yucky about the place I just couldn't see the point in tipping this time.

I have since noticed the place went out of business four months later.
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mendoza915
01:20 PM on 06/13/2011
It seems as though its a never-ending cycle that Groupon has created. Merchants take a cut in profit or a loss, in turn providing poor customer service/product, and in turn creating a customer less likely to return for repeat consumption (assuming they were considering it to begin with). I know not all Groupon experiences are bad, and most are great deals for great products, but I have heard countless stories where customers redeeming Groupons weren't treated well or given sub-par service.
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04:47 PM on 06/12/2011
Yes. All these coupon sites hurt retail business especially online, where everyone now wan't Free Shipping and deep discounts. Just another way for a few big companies to suck a little more money out of mom and pop business.
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04:12 PM on 06/12/2011
The only situation that I can see Groupon paying off for a merchant would be:

1. Those needing new customers (some have a regular crowd and steady income already)
2. Those that offer fantastic food, for example, are not well known and who get repeat customers through Groupon.

For run-of-the-mill businesses, Groupon looks like a loser to me because they lose money on the deal and still don't get repeat customers.
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03:07 PM on 06/12/2011
All you have to do is Google the following on one of the co-founders and you'll know all you need to know...

Eric Lefkofsky fraud