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Georgia Governor's Illegal Immigration Solution: Farms Should Hire Workers On Probation

Georgia Farms Illegal Immigration

RAY HENRY   06/14/11 07:23 PM ET   AP

ATLANTA — Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal offered a provocative solution Tuesday for farmers who claim workers have been scared away by a crackdown on illegal immigration: Hire people on probation to toil in the fields instead.

The Republican governor offered his remarks after an unscientific survey showed roughly 11,000 job openings in the state's agricultural economy. He requested the survey after growers warned that a new Georgia law targeting illegal immigrants was scaring away workers needed to harvest labor-intensive crops like peaches and berries that are easily damaged by machines.

"I believe this would be a great partial solution to our current status as we continue to move towards sustainable results with the legal options available," Deal said in a written statement. He refused to discuss the idea at a news conference on an unrelated topic.

State correction officials sent a handful of the more than 15,000 unemployed people on probation statewide to work Monday on a south Georgia vegetable farm as part of a pilot program matching offenders with employers, said Stan Cooper, the state's director of probation operations. Most people on probation are nonviolent offenders.

"There was a couple who just left early, just couldn't handle the heat and stuff," Cooper said. "But there were several who stuck it out, seven, eight hours in the field."

State authorities are still finalizing the program details. No farmer will be forced to hire offenders on probation, who must generally seek work unless they are infirm but can turn down job offers. In an extreme case, an offender who continually refuses to take a job could face additional punishment.

Farmers say they can find few U.S. citizens willing to work in hot, dusty fields and criticize a federal guest work program as expensive and cumbersome.

"It's hard work," said Sam Watson, the owner Chill C Farms in Moultrie, who wants more workers and is considering hiring probationers. "It's hot. It's a lot of bending, can be long hours."

Watson said he could only hire two-thirds of the 60 workers he would have wanted to harvest squash, cucumbers and zucchini from his 300-acre farm. He blamed the state's new law targeting illegal immigrants for driving away Hispanic workers. The lack of labor forced him to leave 13 acres of squash to rot in his fields.

"We've got to come up with something," Watson said. "There's no way we can continue if we don't have a labor source to pull from."

More than half of the available jobs identified in the survey of roughly 230 farmers pay less than $9 per hour and last less than six months. Few growers offered their workers other benefits. The survey did not use scientific polling methods, and farmers who are having labor problems may have been more likely to answer it.

"There's no doubt there are some unmet labor needs," said Agriculture Commissioner Gary Black, whose department conducted the survey.

Georgia's new law targeting illegal immigrants takes effect July 1 and is among the toughest in the country. It will eventually require many farmers to use a federal database called E-Verify to make sure new hires are in the country legally.

It also allows police to check the immigration status of suspects who cannot show an approved form of identification. Civil liberties groups have filed a lawsuit asking a judge to declare the law unconstitutional and bar it from being enforced. All or parts of similar laws enacted in Arizona and Utah have been blocked by courts.

It was unlikely the survey results were going to shift Deal's position. While in Congress, the conservative politician supported legislation that would have allowed U.S. military troops to enforce immigration laws at the border, ended automatic U.S. citizenship for children born to illegal immigrants and expanded the use of the E-Verify database.

Farmers have urged Georgia's leaders to keep out of the immigration debate. The Georgia Farm Bureau, the state's largest farm lobbying group, says the issue should be reserved for the federal government.

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Associated Press reporters Shannon McCaffrey and Greg Bluestein contributed to this report. Ray Henry can be reached at . http://www.twitter.com/rhenryAP

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09:22 AM on 06/24/2011
Wow. Given the disproportionate number of blacks in the convict population, it seems the South is rising again. Just like the good old days. Need more workers, arrest more blacks. Georgia, always a leader.
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Just-a-Guy
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01:43 PM on 06/15/2011
What if the criminal is already one of the undocumented? (Which we have more than a couple of)

Do they get to work the farm, or work on moving back to where they came from?
01:36 PM on 06/15/2011
So they are going to replace immigrants who are illegal due to a dysfunctional immigration system with forced/coerced prison labor (i.e., you'll be given probation instead of prison time if you work as a migrant farm worker)? Way to go Georgia. I hope your agricultural products are banned.

P.S., Just curious will the illegal immigrants who are in custody be allowed to work as migrant workers too?
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05:25 PM on 06/15/2011
Can you detect a pattern here? Before the American Revolution Americans tried to harvest the fields with the help of indentured labor. It did not work so we tried slavery. Slavery lasted for 150 years. After the Civil War we returned to a system of indentured labor or share cropping. Up until recently we shifted our focus to using the free market or black market labor as the case may be. That seems to have done the trick but the politicians were not happy so I guess it is back to indentured servitude. Is slavery next?
01:18 PM on 06/15/2011
Either farmers pay a fair wage or they only work smaller farms that they can harvest without help.

Or, they bribe Congress to exempt them from rules on hiring illegal immigrants exposing Republican hypocrisy.

Fair wages are possible without causing price increases for consumers, but the middlemen and commodity traders would have to be forced to accept lower profit margins and regulation.
Wall Street and the big three Ag companies that dominate the market would have to be reigned in.
12:09 PM on 06/15/2011
I see a VERY DARK picture for the farmer's of the United States of America. I see mega-corporations taking over ownership of farms, by hook or by crook. These corporation have stockholders who have interests OTHER than those of the success of the USA.

Our country is headed for doom. We are required to have spanish speaking workers, spanish instruction on everything sold in the USA, spanish language bank statements, spanish language government forms, spanish speaking government employees. THIS IS AN ENGLISH SPEAKING COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!! Why AREN'T the languages of others required?????????!!!!!!!!!! This country WILL no longer be the USA, but rather America, the spanish speaking, spanish dominated, spanish owned country. (One question, I wonder what they will do with the nukes when they own us?)
11:26 AM on 06/15/2011
Hard work and fresh air will reform criminals. This is great news. IT gets these people out of the environments that entice them to stay on the same wrong path they have been on. Opportunities for Americans. Thank you Georgia!!!!!
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05:28 PM on 06/15/2011
You sound like Chairman Mao. Rather, the program you admire sounds like the Great Leap Forward.
11:20 AM on 06/15/2011
"There was a couple who just left early, just couldn't handle the heat and stuff," Cooper said. "But there were several who stuck it out, seven, eight hours in the field."

Parolees deserve jobs!!!! This is great news. A good work ethic can reform anyone. American jobs for Americans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:07 AM on 06/15/2011
Oooooh, they can also legalize Indentured servitude and force parolees to do the work. That way, it will be just like the olden days with slavery and all....which is what repubs long for.......
Yessir! The South will rise again!!!!
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jeffrey678
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10:18 AM on 06/15/2011
Old times there are not forgotten........
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GirlFriday123
We all live downstream.
09:47 AM on 06/15/2011
I've been paying more for the produce and meat I don't grow for years because I buy from local growers who I know and who I know pay their people a decent wage.

Food, as we are learning with each new scare, is definitely one of those things where you get what you pay for, and while paying laborers as little as possible may save money on the front end, it amounts to cutting off our noses to spite our faces.

You think we would have learned something about the high cost of low prices in the last 30 years.
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Albert Jenkin
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09:44 AM on 06/15/2011
Right, hire people on probation and keep the pay low so they won't be tempted to buy some sort of contraband, or buy moonshine.
Better yet, hire prisoners. They can be watched by deputies with shotguns and chained together so they can't run away.
09:35 AM on 06/15/2011
Yes, the bill will make it harder for illegal immigrants to find jobs, scare off legal ones who just fear being harrassed, and general cause a shortage of labor in the ag sector. Some of this is good, some is bad. It is also good that there is a program to encourage the hiring of people (probationers) who would normally find it difficult to locate a job - IF they're willing to take it.

I grew up on a farm and picked peppers, squash, and blueberries; cropped tobacco and baled hay. Summers in South Georgia are not the easiest to tolerate in the fields, and it's only gotten worse since I did it as a youth.

The final result though, of leaving squash to rot in the fields will be loss of income for farmers and potentially the loss of farms (profit margin in farming is incredibly thin), as well as higher food prices for the consumer as scarcity leads to higher prices.
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08:21 AM on 06/15/2011
As much as I believe that this is a country of immigrants and there should be a better way to allow hispanics access, I think (OMG I am actually saying this about a GOP Gov)...This is a good suggestion to give Americans, who have a hard time finding work because of a mistake, a chance to have a job.
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Cherie Lyon
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11:51 AM on 06/15/2011
Maybe, if they keep their noses clean, it will lead to a better job? The Guv's suggestion is more sensible than some of the nonsense others have spouted.
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BBackSoon
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12:29 PM on 06/15/2011
Have you ever done farm work? Not the riding in the tractor type, but actually working manually in a field? I have, in high school on my Uncles farm. Horseradish and Sweet Corn. Both require manual labor in various ways. It is hard work and it does not pay worth a darn.
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Viper1st
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03:15 PM on 06/15/2011
Are you calling your Uncle a cheap-skate?

Maybe, you should have worked for Meg Whitman for $23/hr
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08:17 AM on 06/15/2011
I'm all for businesses hiring probationers. If they have met the requirements of their sentences, then they have paid what they are required. They deserve work just as any other.

But for some reason, this smacks of simply one more form of using cheap labor to keep the corporate/industrial grist mill running. Or, I could be wrong. But I just don't any altruistic sensibility here.
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GirlFriday123
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09:32 AM on 06/15/2011
I think you've hit the nail on the head.

These jobs have gone to illegal immigrants, not because Americans won't do the work, but because they won't do the work for the price the farmers want to pay (especially given that it's seasonal, temporary work) and because someone who is here illegally has few other options.

I hope the businesses do start to hire more legal immigrants and US citizens, and maybe, drive wages up for a change. Anyone who has produced their own food knows how back-breaking that work is, and people should be paid fairly.
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08:14 AM on 06/15/2011
Sounds like to me that these farmers just don't want to pay a decent wage. If you can only turn a profit by breaking the Law, what makes you any different than any other criminal? These farmers who hired illegal labor should not be just hiring people on probation, they should be on probation.
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dayzee10
Are you a master builder or a master butcher?
08:45 AM on 06/15/2011
Very good points.........a big problem our country has is suppressed wages and benefits if you cannot make a wage that enables you to live above poverty level why work at all?
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12:37 PM on 06/15/2011
I am sure there are unscrupulous farmers out there, but many small farms are forced to do what they can to survive. I don't condone it but if you must sell at the same price as the big guys you are going to have to cut some corners.

I know farmers with Manual crops, not grain farmers but crops that require manual field labor and the pickings are slim. High School kids don't want to work for minimum wage or less (Farm wage is lower than minimum) on a farm, so the only labor available at the lower prices is illegals. The ones I know only use legal workers but it is an ongoing problem.
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Viper1st
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02:42 PM on 06/15/2011
For those unfamiliar with U.S. Federal Immigration Law(s) on the books since 1986 ~

U.S.C. 8 § 1324a : US Code - Section 1324A: Unlawful employment of aliens

In part ~

(a) Making employment of unauthorized aliens unlawful
(1) In general
It is unlawful for a person or other entity -
(A) to hire, or to recruit or refer for a fee, for employment
in the United States an alien knowing the alien is an
unauthorized alien (as defined in subsection (h)(3) of this
section) with respect to such employment, or
(B)(i) to hire for employment in the United States an
individual without complying with the requirements of
subsection (b) of this section or (ii) if the person or entity
is an agricultural association, agricultural employer, or farm
labor contractor (as defined in section 1802 of title 29), to
hire, or to recruit or refer for a fee, for employment in the
United States an individual without complying with the
requirements of subsection (b) of this section.

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/8/12/II/VIII/1324a