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Sunspots May Disappear, Sun Going Into Unusual Quiet Mode: Scientists

Sunspots Disappearing Solar Quiet Calm 2020

SETH BORENSTEIN   06/14/11 05:56 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — The sun is heading into an unusual and extended hibernation, scientists predict. Around 2020, sunspots may disappear for years, maybe decades.

But scientists say it is nothing to worry about. Solar storm activity has little to do with life-giving light and warmth from the sun. The effects from a calmer sun are mostly good. There'd be fewer disruptions of satellites and power systems. And it might mean a little less increase in global warming.

It's happened before, but not for a couple centuries.

"The solar cycle is maybe going into hiatus, sort of like a summertime TV show," said National Solar Observatory associate director Frank Hill, the lead author of a scientific presentation at a solar physics conference in New Mexico.

Scientists don't know why the sun is going quiet. But all the signs are there.

Hill and colleagues based their prediction on three changes in the sun spotted by scientific teams: Weakening sunspots, fewer streams spewing from the poles of the sun's corona and a disappearing solar jet stream.

Those three cues show, "there's a good possibility that the sun could be going into some sort of state from which it takes a long time to recover," said Richard Altrock, an astrophysicist at the Air Force Research Laboratory and study co-author.

The prediction is specifically aimed at the solar cycle starting in 2020. Experts say the sun has already been unusually quiet for about four years with few sunspots – higher magnetic areas that appear as dark spots.

The enormous magnetic field of the sun dictates the solar cycle, which includes sunspots, solar wind and ejection of fast-moving particles that sometimes hit Earth. Every 22 years, the sun's magnetic field switches north and south, creating an 11-year sunspot cycle. At peak times, like 2001, there are sunspots every day and more frequent solar flares and storms that could disrupt satellites.

Earlier this month, David Hathaway, NASA's top solar storm scientist, predicted that the current cycle, which started around 2009, will be the weakest in a century. Hathaway is not part of Tuesday's prediction.

Altrock also thinks the current cycle won't have much solar activity. He tracks streamers from the solar corona, the sun's outer atmosphere seen during eclipses. The streamers normally get busy around the sun's poles a few years before peak solar storm activity. That "rush to the poles" would have happened by now, but it hasn't and there's no sign of it yet. That also means the cycle after that is uncertain, he said.

Matt Penn of the National Solar Observatory, another study co-author, said sunspot magnetic fields have been steadily decreasing in strength since 1998. If they continue on the current pace, their magnetic fields will be too weak to become spots as of 2022 or so, he said.

Jet streams on the sun's surface and below are also early indicators of solar storm activity, and they haven't formed yet for the 2020 cycle. That indicates that there will be little or delayed activity in that cycle, said Hill, who tracks jet streams.

"People shouldn't be scared of this," said David McComas, a scientist at the Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio, who wasn't part of the team. "This is about the magnetic field and the ionized gas coming out of the sun. It's a reduction in that, not the light and the heat."

There are questions about what this means for Earth's climate. Three times in the past the regular 11-year solar cycle has gone on an extended vacation – at the same time as cool periods on Earth.

Skeptics of man-made global warming from the burning of fossil fuels have often pointed to solar radiation as a possible cause of a warming Earth, but they are in the minority among scientists. The Earth has warmed as solar activity has decreased.

Andrew Weaver, a climate scientist at the University of Victoria, said there could be small temperature effects, but they are far weaker than the strength of man-made global warming from carbon dioxide and methane. He noted that in 2010, when solar activity was mostly absent, Earth tied for its hottest year in more than a century of record-keeping.

Hill and colleagues wouldn't discuss the effects of a quiet sun on temperature or global warming.

"If our predictions are true, we'll have a wonderful experiment that will determine whether the sun has any effect on global warming," Hill said.

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WheresMyParty
Wear cardigans responsibly.
06:22 PM on 06/17/2011
I have read one expert state that there is no correlation between solar activity and global warming. Solar activity has fluctuated significantly in the decades since they first began measuring it--there has never been any parallel effect on weather here on earth. I suppose the next decade will provide us with proof positive.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
06:33 PM on 06/17/2011
Strictly speaking science never "proves" anything. That said evidence is already overwhelming: the linear solar radiation trend over recent decades remained essentially flat while the earth has continued to warm.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
06:54 PM on 06/17/2011
"Solar activity has fluctuated significan­tly . . ."

Not sure where you got that from. Solar brightness varies very little. In fact, the brightness is called the 'solar constant.' Look it up on wiki for the basics.

Flares and CME's happen, but they are miniscule compared to total output of the sun.
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WheresMyParty
Wear cardigans responsibly.
07:02 PM on 06/17/2011
Understood...I was referring to solar flares and CMEs, particularly when the earth sits in their path. Please excuse the inaccuracies. I am no scientific expert--just a layman fascinated by cosmology--and I try my best to accurately relay what I read (sometimes without success).
02:42 PM on 06/17/2011
Yesterday I read an article on CNN saying 2013 would be the biggest year for sun spots in over a 100 years and now this article says that sunspots are disappearing and will be diminished for years. WTF??? Which is it??
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
03:16 PM on 06/17/2011
As Chris3 observed just downthread to a similar post:

"If you would simply observe the dates of the two sets of prediction­s, this wouldn't be so difficult."
12:01 PM on 06/22/2011
If you had an IQ above 65 you would realize the two predictions are contradictory.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
10:45 PM on 06/18/2011
No child left behind.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
10:57 PM on 06/16/2011
New Scientist Magazine, 26 February 2010
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A quiet sun won't save us from global warming

EVEN if the sun were to quieten down appreciably for the rest of this century, it would still be business as usual for global warming.

The sun goes through an 11-year solar cycle during which its luminosity varies according to the number of sunspots appearing on its face. The normal cycle has a small effect on Earth's weather. But sometimes lulls in sunspot activity can last several decades, driving down the sun's luminosity to a "grand minimum". The Maunder minimum lasted from 1645 to 1715 and may have contributed to the little ice age.

Stefan Rahmstorf and Georg Feulner of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany modelled what would happen to temperatures on Earth if a grand minimum started now and lasted until 2100. They found that while temperatures would go down by as much as 0.3 °C, global warming would push up temperatures by 3.7 to 4.5 °C - more than negating any effect of a global minimum. (Geophysical Research Letters, DOI:10.1029/2010GL042710)

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527494.700-a-quiet-sun-wont-save-us-from-global-warming.html
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DianaPrince
Let freedom ring
10:41 PM on 06/16/2011
This is so utterly confusing. So much conflicting information.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
10:51 PM on 06/16/2011
Go with the science. Ignore the squawking of the obvious deniers.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
01:23 PM on 06/17/2011
Don't get your information from blogs. Read Nature, or go to NASA's website. Science is best from scientists.

You don't go to the butcher for eye surgery, so why would you go to some link to a site about climate science with very little climate science?
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Alex Gartzia
Specialist in Generalities.
09:16 PM on 06/16/2011
The Sun has a cold, worry when it sneezes.
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asmir
Cancer Awareness, We Must Find a Cure!
08:13 PM on 06/16/2011
calm before the storm?!
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DianaPrince
Let freedom ring
10:43 PM on 06/16/2011
Good point! F&F
06:19 PM on 06/16/2011
Ok, so all I have been ready the past few years is that Sun flares were increasing and we were going to be hit with major flares in 2012, attributing for some of the end of the world talk, satellites being disrupted etc.. This was reported by many scientists and even NASA. Now there's this report that the Sun is "quieting".... who the hell do we believe anymore? Its like one day eggs are good for you and the next day they aren't... what ever.
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chrisd3
Excelsior!
07:10 PM on 06/16/2011
"who the hell do we believe anymore"

If you would simply observe the dates of the two sets of predictions, this wouldn't be so difficult.
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Alex Gartzia
Specialist in Generalities.
09:12 PM on 06/16/2011
Well, if we could predict what the sun does, we wouldn't have houses turn to dust from a tornado. It's inference, deduction, observation and probability. Nothing more. nothing less. We've only made it to the moon and our satellites and measuring tools are primitive. Our technology can only inform us of the present and past occurrences in the universe in a very limited way. Unfortunately, the future is still out of reach. By all means tomorrow the sun can begin to go into core colapse. Either live in fear or don't give damn. The later is my mantra.
05:25 AM on 06/17/2011
We've actually got a pretty good idea of how the sun will behave overall, and it's not going to undergo core collapse ever -- it's not heavy enough. It'll slowly get warmer over the eons and eventually turn into a red giant, though.
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Progress2342
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04:36 PM on 06/16/2011
People don't realize that periods of little to no sunspot activity are often more dangerous than periods with extra sunspots. The reason is that sunspot absences can, contrary to expectations, actually reduce the amount of energy the sun radiates toward earth, causing temperatures here on earth to drop. From 1640 to 1710, sunspots virtually disappeared from the sun's surface, causing a "mini-ice age" on earth. The English Channel froze solid, summer temperatures never rose above 65 F, and famines abounded. Nobody linked this odd weather pattern to the sun. That period is now called the Maunder Sunspot Minimum, and hopefully this "haitus" won't be as bad.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
05:20 PM on 06/16/2011
Some people don't realize that in recent years while sun spots have been at a minimum we have nonetheless also had some of the warmest years on instrumental record.
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montestruc
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09:57 PM on 06/16/2011
Recent periods of quiet sun only lasted a few years at a time, like less than 5, the Maunder minimum lasted more like 70. That is a huge difference. However I have seen no evidence presented to suggest the upcoming minimum will be longer than usual.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
10:42 PM on 06/16/2011
montestruc: "Recent periods of quiet sun only lasted a few years at a time, like less than 5, the Maunder minimum lasted more like 70"

Per recent research on a Maunder minimum-like scenario happening through 2100:

"This temperatur­e decrease is much smaller than the warming expected from anthropoge­nic greenhouse gas emissions by the end of the century."

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GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 37

On the Effect of a New Grand Minimum of Solar activity on the Future Climate on Earth

March 2010

The current exceptionally long minimum of solar activity has led to the suggestion that the Sun might experience a new grand minimum in the next decades, a prolonged period of low activity similar to the Maunder minimum in the late 17th century. The Maunder minimum is connected to the Little Ice Age, a time of markedly lower temperatures, in particular in the Northern hemisphere. Here we use a coupled climate model to explore the effect of a 21st‐century grand minimum on future global temperatures, finding a moderate temperature offset of no more than −0.3°C in the year 2100 relative to a scenario with solar activity similar to recent decades. This temperature decrease is much smaller than the warming expected from anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions by the end of the century.
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Roshi98
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05:49 PM on 06/16/2011
The "mini-ice age" was NOT a global event - it was limited to Europe. And whatever cooling event such a minimum does have is negligible compared to the raising temperatures due to a thickening blanket of CO2 and methane coming from our emissions. While it's possible that there could be localized or regional cooling there's nothing in this rare occurrence that suggests a reversal of course from the current warming trend.
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wsmith3023
Dems and Reps are two sides of the same coin
01:47 AM on 06/17/2011
Could the rise in global temperature be because every single action by humans releases massive amounts of heat into the atmosphere? A house in winter doesn't get warm because of the insulation. It gets warm because of the heater. The insulation just slows down the loss of heat.
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suzee q
I need a job, are you hiring?
04:19 PM on 06/16/2011
Sometimes the Sun needs a break from doing all of its' Sun stuff. It's probably hard being the Sun.
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Mike Cat
03:45 PM on 06/16/2011
Nothing to worry about? Does anyone honestly believe when the sunspot explosions(Convection) do come back they are going to be normal? Expect lots of energy release.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
04:08 AM on 06/17/2011
Do you have a reason?
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
09:03 AM on 06/18/2011
Fact-free but folksy "wisdom" just isn't good enough for darn Libruhl elitists, you betcha!
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Norther
Pax per Fidem
03:17 PM on 06/16/2011
Are Climate science deniers brain-damaged,paid,or just watch to much FakeNews channel?
http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/06/15/246202/sun-hibernation-deniers/
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
10:08 PM on 06/16/2011
All of the above.
02:10 PM on 06/16/2011
Global warming. lmao.
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Hitchcockcameo
In the shadows, directing your every move.
02:13 PM on 06/16/2011
Such a cogent argument. Does that locker room logic get you far in life?
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
09:39 PM on 06/16/2011
Depends on whether you think a revolving door between Sonic Burger and the EI lines is far.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
02:15 PM on 06/18/2011
Well indeed it did. He is now gainfully employed as a denier pieceworker.
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chrisd3
Excelsior!
02:37 PM on 06/16/2011
Can you post ANYTHING other than variants of "lol", or is recess almost over?
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
05:24 PM on 06/16/2011
Maybe he'll come down after his nitrous tank runs out.
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johnny g locker
01:57 PM on 06/16/2011
funny how they have to admit that sun activity can result in earth temperature changes. ha ha ha. we have a mini ice age coming. i am going to go burn some more fuel. ha ha ha.
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chrisd3
Excelsior!
02:04 PM on 06/16/2011
Don't you deniers ever get bored with posting the same tired strawman, over and over and over? Apparently not.

Would you please show us where ANY scientist in the last, oh, century or so has said that the sun doesn't affect climate?

One link, One scientist. Anywhere in the world.
02:11 PM on 06/16/2011
Now THAT'S a strawman.
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Hitchcockcameo
In the shadows, directing your every move.
02:05 PM on 06/16/2011
What do you mean 'admit'? Any planetary or astronomy scientist will tell you that sun activity affects earth temperature. It is because we understand so much about this process, the interplay between the earth and the sun, that scientists can deduce from the data that the sun's activity alone cannot explain the temperature changes we see on earth.
02:11 PM on 06/16/2011
lolol
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
06:10 PM on 06/16/2011
"lolol "

Your clown routine becomes you.
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babybuda
Tolling for the outcast....
01:15 PM on 06/16/2011
Calm before the storm!
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
12:01 PM on 06/16/2011
Tygartman: "It's a theory....­not straight-f­orward science... The sun rises in the east is a FACT. AGW is a THEORY.'

Yet another AGW "skeptic" who doesn't understand what a scientific theory is - yawn.

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Evolution as Fact and Theory

by Stephen Jay Gould ...

In the American vernacular, "theory" often means "imperfect fact"—part of a hierarchy of confidence running downhill from fact to theory to hypothesis to guess. Thus creationists can (and do) argue: evolution is "only" a theory, and intense debate now rages about many aspects of the theory. If evolution is less than a fact, and scientists can't even make up their minds about the theory, then what confidence can we have in it? 


Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts...

Moreover, "fact" does not mean "absolute certainty." The final proofs of logic and mathematics flow deductively from stated premises and achieve certainty only because they are not about the empirical world... In science, "fact" can only mean "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent." I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms.

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/gould_fact-and-theory.html
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
12:53 PM on 06/16/2011
Tygartman: "The sun rises in the east is a FACT. AGW is a THEORY.'

Wrong.

In FACT, the Sun does not "rise" at all - your so-called "fact" is an illusion.

In FACT, per the THEORY of Classical Mechanics the Earth rotates on its axis, which explains the illusion that the sun rises in the east.

As the THEORY of Classical Mechanics is a THEORY, does that mean that it is "not straight-f­­orward science"?

Only a science denier would make such an absurd claim - THEORIES are an integral aspect of science. Indeed robust scientific THEORIES are an endpoint of science, "not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty." And AGW is a robust scientific theory.

[ And yes, the THEORY of Classical Mechanics has been proven incorrect in quantum and relativistic realms, having been replaced in those realms by Quantum THEORY and Relativity THEORY respectively. Classical Mechanical THEORY however in FACT still holds up exactingly well in non-quantum and non-relativistic realms. This is why the is why THEORY of Classical Mechanics is still rigorously taught in all physical science and mechanical engineering curriculums, and will in all likelihood continue to be for as long as physical science exits as a scientific discipline. ]
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
12:56 PM on 06/16/2011
"AGW is a robust scientific theory."

U.S. National Academy of Sciences, 2010:
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There is a strong, credible body of evidence, based on multiple lines of research, documenting that climate is changing and that these changes are in large part caused by human activities­. While much remains to be learned, the core phenomenon­, scientific questions, and hypotheses have been examined thoroughly and have stood firm in the face of serious scientific debate and careful evaluation of alternative explanation­s


From a philosophical perspective, science never proves anything... In practical terms, however, scientific uncertainties are not all the same. Some scientific conclusions or theories have been so thoroughly examined and tested, and supported by so many independent observations and results, that their likelihood of subsequently being found to be wrong is vanishingly small. Such conclusions and theories are then regarded as settled facts. This is the case for the conclusions that the Earth system is warming and that much of this warming is very likely due to human activities.

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12782
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bd7769
I am so often right, that I am a progressive
01:38 PM on 06/16/2011
well put