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Shimon Peres: Palestinians' UN Recognition Plan 'An Illusion'

Shimon Peres

By DAN PERRY and JOSEF FEDERMAN   06/16/11 10:02 AM ET   AP

JERUSALEM -- Israeli President Shimon Peres urged a resumption of Middle East peace talks Thursday, dismissing the Palestinians' plan to instead ask the United Nations for recognition as "an illusion" and arguing that a peace deal – despite widespread skepticism on both sides – was possible within months.

"In a strange way the differences are rather psychological than material," the 87-year-old head of state and Nobel laureate said in an interview with The Associated Press.

"I don't exclude that in spite of the shortage of time we can conclude an agreement with the Palestinians" before September, Peres said, referring to the month the Palestinians, in the absence of a peace deal, plan to ask the United Nations for recognition as a state.

Peres warned the U.N. gambit could backfire. The U.S. is expected to veto the measure in the powerful Security Council, forcing the Palestinians to turn to the General Assembly, where a majority seems likely but any decision would have no legal force.

"It will remain (on) paper and it will raise false hopes," Peres said. Israel would simply ask: "Can you stop terror, United Nations? Can you stop the politics of Iran that finances Hezbollah and finances Hamas? Can you stop the smuggling of arms? ... And if the United Nations cannot answer it, so what is the value of their resolution?"

With his comments, Peres joined a chorus of world leaders, including President Barack Obama and European Parliament President Jerzy Buzek, urging the Palestinians not to follow through with the U.N. resolution. Palestinian officials have acknowledged they are having second thoughts, but insist they will press forward if peace talks don't resume.

The Israeli president dismissed skepticism about the gaps between any Palestinian leadership and the current right-leaning Israeli government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu:

"I know a little bit about negotiations," said Peres, who won the Nobel Peace Prize for his role in the 1993 Oslo interim peace accords with the Palestinians. "The opening position is extremely loud and very maximalist ... But then you have to go down, quietly."

Would the Palestinians give up the so-called right of return by refugees and their millions of descendants – a persistent and principled demand that Israelis across the spectrum reject out of hand as demographic suicide?

"I think so," he said, insisting a "creative" solution is possible.

Among the obstacles to talks even beginning is Israel's rejection of an emerging Palestinian "unity government" between Fatah, the moderate grouping of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas which controls Palestinian autonomy zones in the West Bank, and the Hamas militant group, which seized control of the Gaza Strip in 2007.

The sides reached a reconciliation agreement last month and are still laboring to implement it, wrangling over issues like the appointment of a prime minister. But Netanyahu has already made the deal an obstacle to talks, saying he cannot negotiate with a government even partly backed by a sworn enemy like Hamas.

Peres noted the United States and other world powers have insisted that Hamas recognize Israel, renounce terrorism and accept previous agreements. Hamas' acceptance of these terms, Peres suggested, would enable such talks between Israel and a unified Palestinian leadership.

As president, Peres is a figurehead, but his words carry weight because of an elder statesman status achieved over six frequently turbulent decades in Israeli public life – a period marked by achievement and electoral futility in seemingly equal measure.

As leader of Israel's center-left Labor Party, Peres lost an improbable string of elections – in 1977, 1981, 1988, and 1996 – and managed only a tie in 1984, with Israel's economy mired in hyperinflation and its army in a costly and unpopular war in Lebanon.

Despite these difficulties, he has managed to serve in practically every top government position, including three brief stints as prime minister.

Peres' dogged pursuit of peace has made him a regular at global gatherings such as the annual World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, where his penchant for visionary pronouncements and his extraordinary longevity have given him a somewhat iconic status.

Alert, jocular and surrounded by adoring aides, Peres spoke to the AP at his presidential compound as he prepared to host his own version of Davos – the third annual "Israeli Presidential Conference" – an event which he said would this year attract 1,700 figures from outside Israel.

The diverse guest list ranges from Colombian singer Shakira and U.S. comedienne Sarah Silverman to Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales, advertising magnate Martin Sorrel and European Central Bank chief Jean-Claude Trichet, in addition to a cluster of leaders and government ministers.

Peres said the three-day event next week will focus on "the issues of tomorrow – in Jewish life, in world affairs, in Israeli development, in all domains – science, technology, politics."

He said he had special interest in exploring the workings of the brain, cybernetics, and what he perceived as an unprecedented type of generation gap.

"Youngsters are equipped with ... Facebook and the Internet. They don't want their parents to get involved in their own way of life. They respect the parents but without much admiration. They say: ... 'The world you have handed over is full of blood and suffering and mistakes. Let us have our own future.'"

Peres credited Facebook-wielding youth for the current upheavals in the Arab world and offered his neighbors free advice: "If you don't give equal rights to (women) you're half a nation ... No money can compensate (for) this mistake."

Peres clearly feels the changes in the region belatedly vindicate the optimism he espoused 18 years ago in a book titled "The New Middle East" – which earned him some derision at the time by critics who considered him naive.

He dismissed the concerns of many Israelis today that Arab democracies would elect Islamists and authoritarians: "The moral call is the right one and the preferred one. Don't make too many calculations. I shall be a happy person when the Middle East will become free and democratic."

Peres predicted that the unusual Israeli presidential conference – despite its association with him personally – would continue after he leaves office, because the Jewish state has a global role in advancing knowledge.

"A good Jew cannot be satisfied," Peres said. "All the time he feels he has to improve ... which creates, in a way, creativity and imagination."

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JERUSALEM -- Israeli President Shimon Peres urged a resumption of Middle East peace talks Thursday, dismissing the Palestinians' plan to instead ask the United Nations for recognition as "an illusion"...
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Fred Ricardo
The white hat, Truth, Justices and theAmerican way
01:29 PM on 06/22/2011
So the Israel solution is for Hamas to be exterminated by Fatah? Israel will never accept Hamas? That is not going to go well.

So when will Israel stop building in the West Bank?

We know Israel has no intention of giving back the land they sit on in the West Bank and will forcibly take Palestinian communities in Israel for the Jewish state. We know the real reason, ethnic cleansing.
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bksg
Proud of my Palestinian Heritage!
04:41 PM on 06/25/2011
Fred: Well said! F&F
11:12 PM on 06/19/2011
Look, this is really very simple.

From 1993 the negotiations have always taken place on the basis of "a Warlord to his Vassals", and the Israeli ruling class - i.e. people like Peres - very much like that arrangement.

If the UN passes that Resolution then the world will recognize that "Palestine" is "a state", and is not simply Some Place Where A Bunch Of Stateless People Live Under An Israeli Military Occupation.

That recognition will not end the occupation, of course, nor is it intended to: the IDF will only leave because the Israeli Defence Minister orders it to leave, and nobody is under any illusions that he will issue such an order without a deal being struck.

But what that resolution will do is this: negotiations between Netanyahu and Abbas would be conducted on the basis of "State to State".

That would actually seem to me to be a desireable arrangement, but as far as the Israelis are concerned - you know, Peres and his ilk - such a thing represents The End Of The World As We Know It.

And maybe it is, because the World As They Know It has always been this: we Lord over you, and don't you serfs forget it......
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danew13
06:35 PM on 06/18/2011
The Palestinians have been stung by the Arab upheavals and fear one in Jordan will result in an expression of Palestinian nationalism is that nation that has a large Palestinian majority. If Jordan becomes Palestinian state, where does that leave Abbas? In any case, I think the eventual reunification of at least part of the West Bank with Jordan will be inevitable.
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Edward Watters
If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal
09:14 PM on 06/17/2011
In other words, let's resume the talks which we have effectively sabotaged so far (as documented in the Palestinian Papers) while we continue to build illegal settlements that will eventually make the "peace talks" irrelevant.

""I know a little bit about negotiations," said Peres."

Very little, but a lot about exercising power of the weak.
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Nwo2012
Sue me, I boycott products from the settlements
06:18 PM on 06/17/2011
The Israelis have been occupying Palestine for so long they've completely forgotten its not their land
05:22 PM on 06/19/2011
Great NWo2012..Faved!
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Raglimidechi
standing on fishes
02:08 PM on 06/17/2011
Such a declaration could only create the illusion of a state. It wouldn't be productive, and I think most realize that. Palestinians need to head back to the bargaining table.
11:20 PM on 06/19/2011
Untrue. It would be a declarative statement that "Palestine" is "a state", and not simply some territory where a bunch of stateless people live who get bossed around by the IDF.

That is far from being illusionary, precisely because Israel has been in the habit of treating the Palestinians as serfs, and the IDF as their Feudal Warlord.

Get it?
No, of course you don't.

Israel will have to treat this territory as the occupied territory of a state, which will be traumatic indeed for the likes of Netanyahu.

Because there is no doubt that Netanyahu regards this territory as something that he owns, some of which he mayyyyyyy be willing to throw to the dogs like some unwanted scraps.... for a price, so whadda' offerin'?

The price goes down drastically if Bibi has to abandon that attitude....
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shaitan
The Devil's Advocate
12:49 PM on 06/17/2011
I got a response to one of my comments from a poster named Teacher who claimed that everything the Israelis are doing is to protect their citizens. Is continuing expansion of settlements in what is, according to every country except Israel, illegally occupied land, and gobbling up more land between the 1967 green line and the Jordan river, designed to protect Israeli citizens? Hardly. The Israeli actions have always been to create Facts on the Ground by defying more than 70 UN resolutions and even more that did not pass only because the US alone vetoed them. That excuse of only wanting to protect its citizens does not pass even the simplest test, unless you agree with the Israeli plan that the only way for them to be safe is to occupy all the land and either control the natives of Palestine in small circumscribed reservations or transfer them out of their lands into the neighboring Arab states.
11:26 PM on 06/19/2011
I would have thought that if your prime objective was to "protect your citizens" then the very first principle that should guide your actions is "Do not put them in harm's way".

Which would, of course, make the settlement of hostile territory by your own civilians the product of full-blown schizophrenia....

After all, if your first priority is "protect the civvies" then the answer to any query from them about setting up house inside hostile territory should be "Whoah! Are you mad? Don't even think about it!"
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09:53 AM on 06/17/2011
Dr. Larry Sanger was more "Wikipedia founder" than Jimmy Wales. Sanger came to Wales, asking him to install wiki software to feed the encyclopedia project. Sanger named it "Wikipedia". Sanger sent out the first public invitation to come help build Wikipedia. And Sanger crafted most of the key guidelines and policies that still govern Wikipedia today. Jimmy Wales, though, simply needed to wait until about 2004 to start the white lie that he was "the founder" of Wikipedia, and by 2011, the world believes that huckster. Congratulations on doing your part to perpetuate the ongoing falsehood of Jimbo Wales.
10:29 AM on 06/17/2011
Wait...what?!
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stanton89
08:56 AM on 06/17/2011
Israel should stand pat. Dont give the Palestinians nothing!
08:19 AM on 06/17/2011
The USA must not veto.

As an American, I do not want the world against Israel and trhe USA

Let Israel stand on its own two feet and pay the price alone

Let me know if you agree
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tallen
panem et circenses
08:51 AM on 06/17/2011
Most of the world's free democracies will be voting 'no' on the creation of a new arab terror state.
The palestinians will, of course, have the support of all the unfree nations of the world.
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RubalKhali
Philosophy is the stray camel of the faithful
09:20 AM on 06/17/2011
Like Brazil, known for being so unfree, but then, Brazilians can travel to Cuba, unlike Americans.
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Sonic hedgehog
A true word needs no oath
06:22 PM on 06/17/2011
I'm wondering how a democracy can be "not free" that you felt the need to say "free democracies".
07:24 AM on 06/17/2011
Why does the American media insist on referring to Hamas as a "militant group?" If I recall they were elected by Gazans as their legitimate representative government. By that standard we should be calling every government in the world with a military a "militant group," including the U.S. and Israelis.
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CigarGod
What is your process?
09:35 AM on 06/17/2011
Cigars to aware people ;-)
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nk5otr
09:51 AM on 06/17/2011
Hamas won more votes than any other party in 2006, but not a majority of votes. Their attempts to create a government failed. They took over in Gaza not by being sworn in, but by a military attack killing Fatah members. They are a terrorist group by their goals of being devoted to the destruction of a internationally recognized sovereign country.
Tony Andrews
Ὁ βίος βραχύς, ἡ δὲ τέχν
06:07 PM on 06/20/2011
Comparatively, they did much better in the OPTs than Likud (Netanyahu's party) did in Israel, yet they are less "legitimate"
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06:37 AM on 06/17/2011
Thanks to . . . ?
05:48 AM on 06/17/2011
Yes my name is Shimon Peres and I know what's best for the Palestinians.
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tallen
panem et circenses
08:47 AM on 06/17/2011
Well, it's pretty clear that palestinians do not know what's best for paestinians.

If they did, they would have accepted the state the UN offered over 63 years ago.
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SamSeven
You're either with Humanity or you're not.
04:34 PM on 06/17/2011
So says the Colonizer! They are too immature to know what is good for them so WE must decide what is. What arrogance!!
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