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First Posted: 06/17/11 01:43 PM ET Updated: 08/17/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- The nation's leading advocate for senior citizens says that it hasn't wavered in its opposition to cutting Social Security benefits, though a top official with the group said it is open to a discussion about raising the retirement age and other changes.

The Wall Street Journal reported Friday morning that AARP, one of the most influential lobbying groups in Washington, was softening its opposition to cutting retirement benefits.

AARP initially pushed back against the newspaper's story.

"Stay tuned -- our position has not changed on Social Security," an AARP spokeswoman said in an email to HuffPost.

AARP legislative policy director David Certner said on CNN Friday that "there was some miscommunication with the Wall Street Journal story."

But then Certner acknowledged that AARP believes the program needs to be changed.

"Everybody knows we need to look at a package of different changes to Social Security to make it strong for the long term," he said. "The reality is, we have more people older and who are living longer, so we need to make changes. Everybody recognizes that. And we're certainly willing to talk about a package of changes that will keep Social Security strong."

He suggested raising the age at which retirees can receive full benefits -- currently, 66 years old -- would be on the table even though doing so represents "a massive benefit cut for people."

The 37 million-member lobbying powerhouse launched a national ad campaign Thursday warning members of Congress not to reduce benefits for recipients of Social Security and Medicare.

Jonathan Cowan, president of centrist think tank Third Way, hailed AARP's apparent reversal, per the Journal story.

"Today marks a watershed moment in American politics," Cowan said. "For decades, AARP has stood against any substantial changes to Social Security. Now that they have opened the door to reform, it is time for lawmakers to walk through it."

Yet AARP reassured labor groups that it had not changed its position on Social Security, labor officials told HuffPost.

"The AARP has a history of division between the top folks and their base on these issues. The top folks like to be in the inside game," one union official said. "But they are walking backwards now."

The official said that he and other opponents of benefit cuts had been told that AARP's "longstanding position" hadn't changed, but there was some uncertainty about what that position actually is.

If AARP is open to reducing benefits, it would be a major boost for Social Security reformers who say the program is too generous and therefore unaffordable.

Social Security will start paying out more in benefits than it absorbs in taxes this year which will lead the retirement program's trust fund to become exhausted in 2036, according to the latest annual trustees report. After 2036, the program will only be able to pay 77 percent of promised benefits. By 2085, it will be able to pay 74 percent of promised benefits.

As of April, 35 million seniors received Social Security retirement benefits averaging $1,179 a month, according to the program's latest monthly snapshot.

Economists credit the program for drastically reducing poverty among the elderly since its creation in the 1930s. The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a progressive Washington think tank, estimates that Social Security keeps 13 million elderly Americans out of poverty.

The Journal reported that AARP policy chief John Rother is pushing the organization to accept benefit cuts as part of a deal to make Social Security solvent. Rother's thinking, according to the paper, is that tax increases alone can't keep the program's $2.6 trillion trust fund from running out of money, so benefit cuts must be included as well.

Social Security's retirement benefits are funded with taxes on incomes up to $106,800, known as the taxable earnings base. The base also effectively serves as a cap on benefits because they are calculated according to a worker's contributions over his or her lifetime.

A September 2010 Congressional Research Service report found that lifting the cap, without also raising benefits, would make the program solvent for the foreseeable future.

"If all earnings were subject to the payroll tax, but the base was retained for benefit calculations, the Social Security Trust Funds would remain solvent for the next 75 years," said the report.

"There are dozens of ways modest tax increases on even just the very wealthiest Americans would restore Social Security to long-run actuarial balance, and there would be enough left over to increase benefits," said Nancy Altman, co-chair of Strengthen Social Security, a 300-member coalition of national and state organizations opposed to benefit cuts.

The problem with plans to hike taxes is that they're politically unfeasible because of congressional Republicans' adamant opposition to any sort of tax increase, much less a tax increase not accompanied by a spending cut. President Obama's National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform drafted a plan that would tweak Social Security by increasing taxes and reducing benefits both. That proposal went nowhere.

UPDATE: AARP CEO A. Barry Rand said in a statement, "It has long been AARP's policy that Social Security should be strengthened to provide adequate benefits and that it is sufficiently financed to ensure solvency with a stable trust fund for the next 75 years." The statement does not deny that AARP is open to reducing benefits.

Here's the full statement:

Let me be clear –- AARP is as committed as we’ve ever been to fighting to protect Social Security for today’s seniors and strengthening it for future generations. Contrary to the misleading characterization in a recent media story, AARP has not changed its position on Social Security.

First, we are currently fighting some proposals in Washington to cut Social Security to reduce a deficit it did not cause. Social Security should not be used as a piggy bank to solve the nation’s deficit. Any changes to this lifeline program should happen in a separate, broader discussion and make retirement more secure for future generations, not less.

Our focus has always been on the human impact of changes, not just the budget tables. Which is why, as we have done numerous times over the last several decades, AARP is engaging our volunteer Board to evaluate any proposed changes to Social Security to determine how each might -– individually or in different combinations –- impact the lives of current and future retirees given the constantly changing economic realities they face.

Second, we have maintained for years -– to our members, the media and elected officials –- that long term solvency is key to protecting and strengthening Social Security for all generations, and we have urged elected officials in Washington to address the program's long-term challenges in a way that’s fair for all generations.

It has long been AARP's policy that Social Security should be strengthened to provide adequate benefits and that it is sufficiently financed to ensure solvency with a stable trust fund for the next 75 years. It has also been a long held position that any changes would be phased in slowly, over time, and would not affect any current or near term beneficiaries.

AARP strongly opposed a privatization plan in 2005, and continues to oppose this approach, because it would eliminate the guarantee that Social Security provides and reduce benefits, and we are currently fighting proposals to cut Social Security to pay the nation’s bills.

Social Security is a critically important issue for our members, their families and Americans of all ages, especially at a time when many will have less retirement security than previous generations with fewer pensions, less savings and rising health care costs. And, as we have been for decades, we will continue to protect this bedrock of lifetime financial security for all generations of Americans.

Sam Stein contributed reporting.

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confuseddemocrat 05:14 PM on 06/17/2011
Raising the age limit disproportionately affects blue collar workers and will further create an economic disparity between the working poor and the upper middle classes.  The AARP and those who wish to cut SS benefits and raise the retirement age should answer the following questions:

Have you seen many 70+ year old plumbers, roofers, lawn maintenance operators, custodial workers, maids,  Read More...
 Would you hire 70+ year old laborers to perform those aforementioned services?

Those who work in these labor intensive "service industry" jobs are the ones who will be trapped by these changes.  And ironically , these are the same individuals who will  most likely need to retire in their early 60s and will rely exclusively on  SS  because their jobs have limited benefits and pay relatively little compared to many white collar jobs.   Not everyone is lucky enough to have job that allows them to sit behind of a desk and simply expend mental energy with minimum physical activity.  We should be mindful of the plights of our fellow Americans before we cavalierly agree to raising  SS age limits.
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02:07 AM on 07/07/2011
bye bye AArp
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02:04 AM on 07/07/2011
The retirement age for s.s. benefits should be lowered.
02:10 AM on 06/21/2011
AARP, an affiliate of United Healthcare,whose CEO makes millions a year in salary and bonuses,I quit my membership as well,they are not an advocate for seniors thats for sure,the republican right has been claiming Social Security is going to be broke is 20 years since 1935,well its still here,if they want to strengthen it they can remove the end cap on contributions,after someone earns 106,000 they pay no more contributions for the year,if that was removed it would put more money into the fund,also put the money back into it that Reagan and Greenspan stole from the trust fund after he cut corporate taxes soo low there was no money to run the government,the retirement age should be 55,rich people are living longer,blue collar workers are not,in fact many do not make it to 65.
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Myles Huff
10:23 PM on 06/20/2011
"The problem with plans to hike taxes is that they're politically unfeasible because of congressional Republicans' adamant opposition to any sort of tax increase"

This shouldn't be a problem come 2012 and beyond...
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BlueDog1
"Taking the High Road"
11:29 AM on 06/20/2011
Some one (AARP) had there no tax exemption threatened and caved in.
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dtairtime
It is what it is
11:13 AM on 06/20/2011
This irritates me soooooo much.

I have paid into SS for 35 years. They want ME to work longer yet NOBODY talks about reducing or elminating the MILLIONS of people who collect checks who have never paid a cent into it.

Why?

Why should a non-working spouse get a check simply because they married someone who made enough moeny they could stay at home all day and never work a day in their lives?

Why should a kid get a check because their daddy could find a younger woman and reproduce at an advanced age?

Why should surviving spouses get a check based on what someone else made yet single people die and the loved ones depending on them get NOTHING.

Why should so many people who are fully capable of stripping cars apart in their front yards and fighting with the police be on disability?

Yet they want ME to work for several more years so MILLIONS who never paid a cent into it can get a check, sometimes much more then people who worked hard all their lives.
08:53 AM on 06/20/2011
AARP you sick. Wasn't screwing with part D Medicare enough for you. I quit your little for profit group years ago. I suggest everyone bail now and let it sink and wither away.
07:52 AM on 06/20/2011
Increase the wage cap on social security taxes and the problem goes away.

Why does a person who makes $106,800 pay 6.2% of their income, and a person and a person who makes $1,068,000 pay only 0.62%?
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dtairtime
It is what it is
11:18 AM on 06/20/2011
Because they both get the exact same check when they retire.

Because they paid the exact same amount into the system.

Because the purpose of social security was only a forced retirement system to insure people were't destitute and could retire, rather then work until they died. The purpose was not so millions who never paid a cent into it sould draw huge checks.

I'm not against raising the cap but you really need to understand there are VERY few people who earn the money you describe. And very few of them actually earn it in WAGES. SS only taxes wages, not dividends, stock options, annuities, trust funds, or any other investments.
01:40 PM on 06/20/2011
Social Security payments are not the same for everyone. They are dependent on how much you earn. If you earn more you pay more taxes, and you get more benefits.

There is nothing about social security that makes it a forced retirement system.

Raising the cap top $200,000 solves the problem permanently. So, there are enough people at this income level to solve the problem.
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contrariandy
Progressive Capitalism created the Middle Class.
05:32 AM on 06/22/2011
Be consistent. Don't re-frame the argument. If it's insurance, then it's not part of the federal budget deficit and doesn't have to be cut. Just tweak the revenue side and it's good forever.
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hazyafternoonsunshine
Life's a ball, buster!
04:41 AM on 06/20/2011
OK, say they raise the retirement age. Then we baby boomers work longer if our eyes, etc hold up. Wait, what if we can't? What if we get put out to pasture to make room for fresh young workers? Too young to retire, and not exactly competitive in the job market. No laws against age discrimination. Then where are we? No welfare options. Pan handling?
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dtairtime
It is what it is
11:19 AM on 06/20/2011
Yep - but don't worry that non-working wife on "real housewives of whatever" will still get a bigger check then you and never had to work a day in her life.
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tbone99
cruisin' duality
03:42 AM on 06/20/2011
AARP proposes town hall conversations.We/
Should attend in drives and really let them hear our thoughts on the subject.What other
Lobbyist tells it's patron they should settle for less?
12:04 AM on 06/20/2011
As I see it the top 2% did not leave enough money for the bottom to live on after 60 years old. May be they need another tax cut so look, out young, poor, middle class and the old here in the good ol US
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09:34 PM on 06/19/2011
Great to see that Rupert Murdoch, through his paper, the Wall Street Journal has succeeded in his goal to turn seniors against their most effective lobbying group.

He and the rest of the Goper leadership is sleeping with a smiles on his their faces tonight.
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vandegrasse
Don't Panic
09:28 PM on 06/19/2011
If the corporations had stolen the taxpayers' money with the help of the politicians, honest hard-working average Americans' retirement funds wouldn't be in jeopardy. AARP is so so bogus!
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vandegrasse
Don't Panic
09:23 PM on 06/19/2011
Well, there goes my membership in the dumper!!
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10:44 PM on 06/19/2011
Just received my membership invite as I will be 50 in 6 months. They will not get my support or money.
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08:24 PM on 06/19/2011
Now that the AARP sees the need for changing the current system maybe progress can get done. I agree with the AARP by saying that now is the time to think about privitizing the system and giving individuals greater control over the way they plan to retire.
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Agnostic Realist Tradevknaught
08:41 PM on 06/19/2011
The good news is that you have control now, the bad news is that you control $0.00 because Jamie Dimon adn frindes have absconded with your cash"

"If you have any questions, please contact your representative Bernie Madeoff at 1-800-328-7448"
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08:44 PM on 06/19/2011
I'm assuming this is your total knowlege of how the stock market works.....
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Agnostic Realist Tradevknaught
08:52 PM on 06/19/2011
The irony is how loud you and your clan will wail when your less enlightened clan members lose their retirement on a sure thing cube shaped bowling ball investment and have to go on welfare.
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08:56 PM on 06/19/2011
no senior, just because you are clueless doesn't mean everyone is.