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As Greece Becomes More Likely To Default, American Economic Recovery Is At Stake

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First Posted: 06/17/11 09:42 PM ET Updated: 08/17/11 06:12 AM ET

Once again, the global economy seems vulnerable to a crisis brewing in a single country, as the turmoil in Greece and the risk of a government default raise the prospect of losses rippling out across Europe and to the United States.

In recent months, Americans have been buffeted by a series of unseen challenges that have repeatedly dashed hopes for a sustained economic recovery and the resumption of hiring, from the tsunami in Japan to rising oil prices. Now, with unemployment high and anxieties growing, a new economic threat has taken shape, raising fears of potentially enormous financial losses.

Though those fears eased somewhat on Friday as European bankers and the International Monetary Fund inched closer to an agreement that would avert a Greek default, grim calculations occupied financial capitals around the globe, as investors estimated the consequences of an effective bankruptcy. They considered a scenario much like the one that followed the collapse of major financial institutions in the fall of 2008, with the crisis potentially spreading throughout Europe, causing banks and governments to fail and freezing lending in major economies.

Most suggested that such an event remained unlikely, but the risks were nonetheless significant -- and maddeningly difficult to quantify, given the complexities of an interconnected and global financial system.

For large American banks, immediate exposure to Greece appeared to pose only modest dangers. Some $41.5 billion in large American bank assets were vulnerable in the event of a default, according to a recent accounting by the Bank of International Settlements, with another $32.7 billion on the line in the form of insurance.

That amounts to $74 billion, much less than the nearly $1 trillion in mortgage-backed securities that were at the center of the financial crisis that nearly brought down the American economy in 2008.

But even as economists expressed confidence that American banks would remain solvent in the face of a Greek default, they said financial institutions could seize with fear and slow their lending, removing fuel from the American economy just as concerns mount that the recovery is slowing.

"If Greece is just unable to pay its debts, we are going to see finance suddenly freeze up," said Gus Faucher, an economist at Moody's Analytics, a research firm. "We are going to see huge drops in stock prices. Firms are going to get very cautious, very anxious again. They're going to lay people off. It's going to be very similar to what we saw in late 2008, early 2009, on top of what we already had. So it would be really disastrous for the American economy."

A Greek default threatens the prospect of European bank failures, which would crimp international trade by depriving exporters of a source of credit to finance their transactions, said Brookings Institution economist Gary Burtless. If Europeans lose spending power, that would limit their demand for imported goods, further slowing trade.

"If major European banks fail, there would almost definitely be a repetition of what we saw in 2008 and early 2009, when there was an immense drop in international trade," Burtless said. "You need to have credit to pay for the cost of this, and those arrangements quickly got disrupted, and trade fell right away, and it was very, very quick."

Scott MacDonald, head of research at Aladdin Capital LLC in Stamford, Conn., compared credit -- or lending and borrowing -- to oil enabling the engine of the American economy to run smoothly. “Once you’ve pulled the oil out of the engine, eventually you end up with friction,” he said, “and eventually, the engine comes to a halt.”

A default big enough to trigger large European banking failures could significantly exacerbate unemployment in the United States, lifting it perhaps as high as 14 percent, up from its current level of 9.1 percent, and almost certainly causing a double-dip recession, said Jay Bryson, an economist at Wells Fargo.

The dynamic is now so fraught that the mere fear of a Greek default risks becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy, Bryson added, as investors demand higher interest rates on loans to Greece, tightening the pressure. And as pressure builds in Greece, that feeds anxiety in other parts of the global economy. As the risks mount, investors raise the cost of borrowing money, effectively increasing the debt burdens of troubled governments.

This dynamic now menaces Portugal, Spain, Italy, and Ireland -- all heavily indebted and grappling with concerns that they, too, will not be able to repay their loans. If Greece defaults, lifting interest rates for all, that increases the likelihood that these countries also could default. The mere increase in the perceived risk of such an outcome feeds on itself and amplifies the actual risk.

As concerns about these countries grow, alarm would almost certainly spread to still other European countries holding their debts. Investments by French banks have left 30 percent of the French national output exposed to Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain and Italy, Bryson said. As the interconnected nature of the risks emerge, raising the possibility of bank failures, investors could pull their funds out of any institutions deemed to be on the edge, unleashing another self-fulfilling prophecy, as other banks fail in turn.

Stock prices would plunge as people sell their shares in a panicked effort to gain cash to cover their losses. European companies that rely on borrowing from banks would start to run out of the cash they need to run daily operations. European businesses would abandon plans to grow and start to lay off workers, who would then have less money to spend on goods and services, perpetuating the cycle of layoffs and lower spending.

Such a disastrous scenario appeared unlikely late Friday, yet still possible. MacDonald put the odds at between 10 and 20 percent.

A catastrophic recession in Europe would likely scare American banks and make them reluctant to lend, grinding the economic recovery to a halt.

Among economists, these dire concerns underscored what they portrayed as the necessity for some form of agreement that would put off a day of reckoning in Greece, lest the consequences spread and another global contagion take hold.

“It’s in everyone’s interest to at least kick the can down the road,” said Faucher, the Moody’s Analytics economist. “Whether that’s going to happen or not is still up in the air because it’s going to require concessions from everybody."

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Once again, the global economy seems vulnerable to a crisis brewing in a single country, as the turmoil in Greece and the risk of a government default raise the prospect of losses rippling out across ...
Once again, the global economy seems vulnerable to a crisis brewing in a single country, as the turmoil in Greece and the risk of a government default raise the prospect of losses rippling out across ...
 
 
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02:59 PM on 07/18/2011
Interesting conversation here, but regardless of what political views you have...you might want to check out this Kyoo channel dedicated to the topic "Greek Financial Crisis." It pulls all tweets, facebook posts, photos and videos dedicated to this topic. It truely is sad, but if you want to really stay on top of it, check it out I guess. There are also several other channels for US and World News. I've been checking out the New Mexico Wildfires and the Syria ones. Worth checking out! http://kyoo.com/greek-financial-crisis
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keiserz
Bueno...
07:17 AM on 08/04/2011
SPAM
10:10 AM on 06/21/2011
The idea of having a global economy only supports big business. It's their own welfare pot and it takes funds away from helping the citizens in these countries. The governments officials just like in the US are being manipulate into thinking they will somehow benefit from this fraud and the only ones that truly suffer are the average citizens. It's just not working and the sooner the masses realize this then the true recover will begin.
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OSCPJ
Want it? Work 4 it. No 1 has ever drown in sweat.
10:00 AM on 06/20/2011
Unforseen. Yeah. Its not going to be a Black Swan, but a whole lot of White Swans. Through no fault of my own..............Yeah, keep up the excuses.
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Chris Bryer
Can a Buddhist be conservative?
08:15 AM on 06/20/2011
The people of Greece are in a real pickle. One one hand they pushed and pushed for short work weeks, earlier retirement, unrealistic job security and many other benefits that even most other left-leaning countries do not have. Now, that they cannot afford it they dont want to pay the piper.

It is absolutely factual that socialist type policies are behind the magnitude of the problem in Greece and to a lesser extent in Portugal and Ireland.

They screwed over the private business sector weakening it to such a point that it cant/wont hire people. It's like France squared.

Guess big government is not the answer.
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elisabethclive
To the left of Left.
07:29 PM on 06/20/2011
You have no idea what is going on.
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Democrat in the South
Empathy, the most important word
07:53 PM on 06/20/2011
Pitiful, isn't it?
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Chris Bryer
Can a Buddhist be conservative?
09:17 PM on 06/20/2011
Wow that was a detailed critique
07:42 AM on 06/20/2011
we never learn...

this house of cards is way too big. throwing more money at country's that will never be able to pay it off may seem noble and a way to cover loses. but, without a plan on how any of these country's are going to right themselves permanently, it is all for naught. america included.

again, buy physical gold and silver, not paper. do it today, or watch whatever currency you trade in become toilet paper.
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hazyafternoonsunshine
Life's a ball, buster!
05:00 AM on 06/20/2011
And why are our too big to fail banks selling credit default swaps on Greek debt for goodness sake? Can you believe they insured Greek debt knowing it was bad? Yep. That's what they do. Still. We need to get wall street behind bars where they belong, instead of the helm of D.C. These guys don't go down with the ship, they throw the passengers to the sharks and save themselves. They have no skin in the game.
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rotorhead1871
who are you jivin' with that cosmic debris?...
11:27 PM on 06/19/2011
total BS....financial blackmail is alive and well and is being used by the EU to sucker America....
10:23 PM on 06/19/2011
Terrible article, they never mention that ECB wants to loan Greece another 12 Billion Euros so that they can get back 18.5 Billion Euros in interest payments. Greece will default probably later this year.
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elisabethclive
To the left of Left.
07:31 PM on 06/20/2011
Thank you for some actual important facts, such a rarity round these parts.
09:44 AM on 06/21/2011
Source?
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bynddrvn5
My Micro-bio is unwritten...
09:30 PM on 06/19/2011
Greece certainly would help the Federal Reserve cover up, the fact that their policies will push up inflation and borrowing costs. With the quantitative easing ending, Treasury bond rates will have to increase to encourage investors to buy, and this will increase other interest rates, including those for housing loans. Between higher borrowing costs and inflation from increasing the monetary supply, the next few years should be rough.

Inflationary pressures about to grab hold:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/271189-inflation-about-to-grab-hold

Fed Stimulus Ends Soon; Do We Still Need It?
http://www.npr.org/2011/06/19/137278456/key-fed-stimulus-expiring-too-soon
10:19 AM on 06/19/2011
No, no, no! The more we kick the can down the road, the worse the inevitable implosion will be. It's time to realize that globalization was a terrible mistake, invented by a global elite to get rich at our expense. It is collapsing. Eventually Greece will collapse. We are all going to take the hit, better to take it sooner than later, and rebuild our economies on a real foundation, based on reality not some insane scheme that relies on the philosophy that a 'master race' of geniuses can predict and precisely control a world economy. Why should the Greek people agree to impoverish themselves to save the investments of rich bankers? Why should they not topple a government that is trying to force them to do this? Why should anyone, German or Greek, agree to bail out the bankers again and again at their expense? Down with the worldwide rule of banker governments. We will take a hit, yes, but we need to get free of this destructive nonsense.
10:55 AM on 06/19/2011
Bailing out the banks is much different than globalization. I think I understand what you're saying if you define globalization as banks being interconnected and therefore TBTF. However, globalization is inevitable and is a vital source of income for many economies worldwide. We need trade to function and fall back on when our private sector is running surpluses. Moreover, we need more business by supplying our goods and services to other countries which bring more money into ours. Globalization may have many tradeoffs but when it is practiced with the right domestic policies then the sky is the limit with respect to how many people can consume your goods and services.
02:54 AM on 06/20/2011
You're right. It's Greece's turn right now; it'll be the turn of the US before too long, but the US people are too brainwashed to undertake the resistance which will supply the catalyst for default, as will occur in Greece within weeks or months. For the general US populace, economic decline will be their lot until they wise up and recognize that the system is one of organized theft aimed primarily at the people it supposedly serves.
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elisabethclive
To the left of Left.
07:34 PM on 06/20/2011
F&F!!!
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Kai-HK
Don't Share My Wealth! Share My Work Ethic!
09:54 AM on 06/19/2011
If anything, the Greek Sovereign Debt Crisis should stand as a cautionary tale of what happens when imprudent governments opt to follow an ill-conceived borrow-to-prosperity fiscal policy, creating ruinous debt and crowding out the autonomous private sector growth that leads to sustainable jobs. Sadly, venal politicians reanimated Keynesianism, a theory that has consistently failed, in order to go on a spending spree like a coked-out Paris Hilton in Tiffany’s. These make-work gifts to their special interest are doomed to only add greater stress on the economy, add no sustainable jobs, and create more economic loss than gain.

Kai
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Kansiov
Just a Pragmatist
01:53 PM on 06/19/2011
If anything, it teaches us the inefficiencies of having a unified monetary policy without a unified fiscal policy. Greece would have never been in this mess if they never adopted the Euro. Look at the Baltic states where budget deficits ballooned to over 18% of GDP and their economies were much harder hit than their Greek counterparts– why isn't their credit ratings below that of Greece's?
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Kai-HK
Don't Share My Wealth! Share My Work Ethic!
09:54 PM on 06/19/2011
Kansiov:

Partially agree. Had they stayed out of the Euro, the markets would have sent earlier signals that their debt levels were unsustainable and would have forced them to cut back. The process would have started earlier and been less acute, but the day-of-reckoning would still occur.

What Baltic state, specifically, are you talking about?

Kai
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Democrat in the South
Empathy, the most important word
10:09 PM on 06/19/2011
Actually, Paul Krugman says that Keynesianism is the ONLY economic model we have that has ever worked. He says that the free-market capitalists (globally) have clung to an ideology that has been corrupted and has failed. (The system is/was rigged.) And that until they let go of that ideology and admit that Keynesianism is the only way, we won't get out of this mess. And so far, everything Krugman predicts is happening and things are getting worse (globally) not better.
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Kai-HK
Don't Share My Wealth! Share My Work Ethic!
10:55 PM on 06/19/2011
Democrat in the South:

a) I am well aware of what Mr. Krugman says. He has speech today at a Keynes conference. I am sure you will like this speech:
http://www.princeton.edu/~pkrugman/keynes_and_the_moderns.pdf

b) I read widely and indiscriminately on economics, even people like Krugman. His thoughts on the subject are in the minority and, although popular with politicians since it justifies their borrowing and spending, the preponderance of the data do no not support them.

c) Krugman is not the only person to predict that things would get worse. Most New Monetarists said it would also. Does that mean that monetarism is correct?

d) Finally, rather than regurgitate someone else like he is the anointed profit, why don’t you put down the Kool-Aid and list/outline how Keynesianism has worked. Be specific please.

Kai
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elisabethclive
To the left of Left.
07:39 PM on 06/20/2011
Krugman is right on that. Keynesianism is the only way to get Capitalism to work in a somewhat humane fashion, otherwise it becomes the voracious and vicious evil dragon as it is now becoming.

Otherwise there are better systems than Capitalism but we have to evolve to those..........
09:53 AM on 06/19/2011
Why can't Greece just find some money like a lot of states seem to find surpluses when people protest?
Greeces money I suppose is beside the billions missing in Iraq.
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Democrat in the South
Empathy, the most important word
10:10 PM on 06/19/2011
Those that 'have' have gathered all the money and run.....
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givesflack
shrink GOP small enough to drown in bathtub
09:20 AM on 06/19/2011
I'm tired of supporting the rich in this country. They have been treated like royalty, actually better than royalty because they are never challenged to provide reparation for the financial crisis that started with American banks and corporations and are still effecting the world economy because of their extreme corruption(ala Greece) Baggers will blame socialism (because they are unable to observe/think/rationalize) yet the western world is solidly capitalist and thus, from the recent events and the evidence to back it- capitalism is unsustainable.We need to claw back the Bush tax cuts, retract Citizens United, and punish the banks and corporations and make them pay for the damage they created and NOT bail them out ever again- and claw those funds back too.
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
10:17 AM on 06/19/2011
excellent post. for many here that do not know how we got this place in time. 1.56 save it to your fav and watch when you have time. this video was awarded the best documentary of 2010-11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkq2E8mswI
10:22 AM on 06/19/2011
Yes! To do that we need to elect very different people and we need to change the constitution to make it a crime to take money from lobbyists. We need a second American revolution, as Ron Paul has been saying for a decade now. We need the Second Bill of Rights FDR tried to get passed and could not because of opposition from the rich.
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
10:41 AM on 06/19/2011
We need to impeach the 5 Repub supreme court judges and change campaign finance.

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20100124.htm
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Eileenla
Author, "Sacred Economics"
06:45 AM on 06/19/2011
What everyone seems to be missing is that, for nearly a hundred years now, the human population has been exploding at the same time businesses have been replacing human beings with machines running on cheap fossil fuels. Deficits are out of control because too many man-hours have long been chasing fewer and fewer positions, so governments have had to adapt to the changing reality by creating safety nets, social programs, shortening the work week and reducing the retirement age. Global growth masked the problem in the US for a while, but growth in Europe has been slower for some time now. We aren't going to be able to grow our way into recovery since production has grown increasingly mechanized. All we can do is shift the entire paradigm, acknowledging that we don't NEED to extract 40 hours a week of labor from every able-bodied human on the planet anymore. We need to slow down and figure out how to enjoywhat we've built for centuries, not keep speeding up until we collapse the entire edifice! The big challenge will be decoupling the right to earn a living from the need to work 40
hours...but it CAN be done.
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givesflack
shrink GOP small enough to drown in bathtub
08:45 AM on 06/19/2011
I don't think the world can sustain this level of production whereby machines create profit and humans are sacrificed to machines and profits. Its not normal nor is the the way society is structured either. We will have to make adjustments and the ones you mention are part of it. But certainly those who benefit from the the new production methods will have to compensate for those who cannot survive in a world that's voids their participation through mechanization and the rich will have to contribute moire of their fair share. People will have to reeducated to assume positions that help society overall but not in a traditional sense. We have to come up with ideas that are workable because the capitalist ones have come to a complete de_ad end. F+F.
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Eileenla
Author, "Sacred Economics"
12:01 PM on 06/19/2011
Indeed - that is the shift being called for, and that human suffering today is illuminating the need for. Capitalism is over; it's run was designed to promote human enterprise to the point where we built a global society and eliminated our need to work so hard to survive. We now need to inject more long-term thinking, humanity and morality into the system, and to cease rewarding selfish, greedy and short-sighted behavior capitalism has too long promoted.
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09:21 AM on 06/19/2011
No such thing as a a stable system.. there is no equilibrium... The world is dynamic...
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Eileenla
Author, "Sacred Economics"
12:05 PM on 06/19/2011
It's the very dynamism we've been missing. We've been trying so hard to make capitalism "fit" the world of the 21st century, when in truth it's a pre-industrial rapid growth model that was never intended to create a slow growth, sustainable way of life. Nor was it intended to be an extension of human morality, which is what's sorely lacking today. It was a pure punishment/reward system, designed when humans were more juvenile in their approach to life and needed top down management. Nowadays, we're becoming adults and want greater personal freedom, but we must also accept the social responsibility that goes along with it.
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Peter Combs
Amused by the illogical..no, NOT a Republican
01:04 AM on 06/19/2011
Sounds like a good time to check out buying a house in Greece....bargan prices..
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XPat Lib
Living the quiet life in Greece
02:56 AM on 06/19/2011
If only it were that easy. To date we haven't seen any movement on real estate nor have prices dropped. Buying a house here can be a cumbersome business. Many older homes are owned by multiple family members and all have to agree and sign-off on the sale. If a listed owner is absent or can't be found it can cause problems later. The lack of a concise land registry also makes it difficult since actual ownership could go back decades. Buying property on which to build (another potential headache) brings on other issues such as borders some of which are defined by painted rocks.