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Al Franken: Democrats Shouldn't Swear Off Super PACs In 2012 Election


First Posted: 06/18/11 09:18 PM ET Updated: 08/18/11 06:12 AM ET

MINNEAPOLIS -- Former Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) seems to have few Democratic allies in Congress interested in rejecting corporate dollars and undisclosed donations from outside political groups in the 2012 elections.

Such a move would be nothing short of "unilateral disarmament," Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) said Saturday. "It's sad what this has come to," Franken in an interview with The Huffington Post. "The Citizens United decision was, in my mind, a terrible decision. But... it's final."

Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz also used the phrase in response to Feingold's comments, making clear that some party members in office don't think they can compete with Republicans without such funds to create a level electoral playing field.

Feingold issued his challenge to fellow Democrats in an address on Thursday at Netroots Nation, the annual conference for progressive activists and bloggers.

"Creating those kinds of Super PACs for Democrats is wrong. It is not something we should do. I disagree," Feingold said. "I think it's a mistake for us to take the argument that they like to make: 'That what we're going to do now is, we're going to take corporate money like the Republicans do, then after we win, we'll change it.' When's the last time anyone did that? Most people don't change the rules after they win."

Super PACs are a type of independent expenditure group that can raise and spend unlimited amounts of money, as long as they don't coordinate with the political parties and candidates. Traditional PACs have limits on individual contributions. Both must disclose their donors to the Federal Elections Commission. A certain type of nonprofit, 501(c)(4)s in the federal tax code, can raise and spend unlimited amounts of undisclosed money, as long as they are not primarily focused on politics.

Franken said that even if the Democrats in Congress had managed to pass the DISCLOSE Act -- their legislative response to Citizens United -- the party would still probably need to create Super PACs and other outside groups since Republicans would be doing the same. He was also pessimistic about the chances of passing strong campaign finance reform, arguing that Democrats would essentially have to control the White House, House and have a 60-vote, filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.

"We need 60 [votes], and we're not going to have 60. We did control the House, the Senate, and the White House. We had 59 votes. It was 59-41," he said referring to the party-line vote that killed the DISCLOSE Act before the 2010 elections.

Franken also said he would support a more robust agenda in the Senate. While House Republicans have been pushing Rep. Paul Ryan's (R-Wis.) budget plan and measures to defund Planned Parenthood -- both of which have no chance of actually becoming law -- Senate Democrats have had a leaner strategy, which has made some members frustrated.

"I would be in favor of bringing up a more aggressive agenda. It goes down, so it goes down," said Franken.

He said in particular, he'd like to see a jobs bill that puts unemployed men and women in the building trades to work making sure homes and other structures are energy efficient.

"In the long run, you save money from the electricity and energy you don't use," he said. "It seems to me that at a time when we have so many people in the home-building industry who are unemployed, we should use them."

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MINNEAPOLIS -- Former Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) seems to have few Democratic allies in Congress interested in rejecting corporate dollars and undisclosed donations from outside political groups in t...
MINNEAPOLIS -- Former Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) seems to have few Democratic allies in Congress interested in rejecting corporate dollars and undisclosed donations from outside political groups in t...
MINNEAPOLIS -- Former Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) seems to have few Democratic allies in Congress interested in rejecting corporate dollars and undisclosed donations from outside political groups in t...
MINNEAPOLIS -- Former Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) seems to have few Democratic allies in Congress interested in rejecting corporate dollars and undisclosed donations from outside political groups in t...
 
 
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pnut166
Proud member of the party of free thinkers
04:48 AM on 06/21/2011
"Well, it`s wrong, but since the others do it, we will too. If the other side ceases to exist, we`ll change it. But gosh darn it, until then, we just have to go along with it."
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
05:04 PM on 06/20/2011
Considering that republicans have that Paul Ryan budget shackeled around their necks it is entirely possible that we'll have 60 votes by 2013.
proudtobrepub
anyone in 2012 but obama
01:52 PM on 06/20/2011
Al Franken who?
Isnt he the terrible commedian that cheated his way into office.
Another senator goes away-hes next
02:49 PM on 06/20/2011
Al Franken the senator from Minnesota that dead people voted into office. That Al Franken!!
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greenskeeper
Action is eloquence.
04:04 PM on 06/20/2011
Do you maroons think if you keep repeating a lie that it will magically become true ala Rove and Goebells? Where is the proof to back up your asinine statements?
06:09 PM on 06/20/2011
Just for those who couldn't find reality on the voting in Minnesota see the link:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2264636/posts
Dead people's votes did count to elect a Senator.
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Believein2012
redistribute your wealth here
10:44 AM on 06/20/2011
The same clown who wasted everyone's time with his insightful questioning of sotomayor's favorite perry mason episode now wants a robust agenda. The senator (LOL) is certain to go far in the dimocratic party.
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AZreb
equal-opportunity Independent heathen
09:24 AM on 06/20/2011
Why not publish a list of the major donors to BOTH parties in the last presidential campaign? That would make very interesting reading and food for thought for many readers. Most major corporations donate to BOTH parties - known as hedging your bet - so no matter who wins, that person is indebted in some way to the donor.

Which party would be most embarrassed by publishing such a list? Sure would be nice to find out - but we probably won't see that any time soon, if ever.
11:01 AM on 06/20/2011
Unless most electorate and media push for publishing such a list neither party will do so. I don't expect the ignorant electorate and complicit media to act on this.
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seanparnell
12:05 PM on 06/20/2011
It takes about 3 minutes to dig up the info you're looking for and seem to think isn't available. Go to www.fec.gov or www.opensecrets.org. And corporate contributions were totally banned at the federal level during the 2008 campaign, and remain so (with a bit of complexity regarding a certain court decision in VA a few weeks back).

Sean Parnell
President
Center for Competitive Politics
http://www.campaignfreedom.org
07:30 AM on 06/20/2011
If Franken doesn't learn his place, he's gonna get sent packing to Buchenwald.
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Rubiconski
On Crisis Standby Mode
04:38 AM on 06/20/2011
I'm all for swearing off those of a particular faith in our elected officials.

“I don’t think Minnesota is ready for a g.entile in this seat,” Franken told reporters while campaigning against Coleman, who is also J E W I S H.
10:06 AM on 06/20/2011
Sorry, your writing is so muddled, I couldn't tell if that comment reflected your anti-semitism or your complete lack of sense of humour. Care to clarify?
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tpk
having a sense of humor is priceless
11:26 PM on 06/19/2011
Because Russ Finegold didn't take money from the corporations people in Wis have to spend money on recalling six senators and Scott Walker.
Brilliant theory, Russ!
11:03 AM on 06/20/2011
How do you think those two are related? WI voters initiated recall because they has a buyers remorse.
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tpk
having a sense of humor is priceless
01:26 PM on 06/20/2011
Do I have to state the obvious?
In this country the candidate who has more money to spend on his/her election campaign wins. Sad but true.
Walker took money from Koch brothers and won. Russ didn't take money from big donors and he lost.
proudtobrepub
anyone in 2012 but obama
01:54 PM on 06/20/2011
Noope, because they are idiots. By the way, the wisconsin law was uphelp 10 days ago as constitutional. BUST thiose unions. WASTE of money (served a purpose 50 years ago)
iridium53
Semper Fi
10:58 PM on 06/19/2011
So, now Al has established what he is.

Now, as the joke goes, it's all about discussing the price.
07:11 PM on 06/19/2011
I have to agree with Frankin on the need for Democrats to use every financial tool available to work in the elections... This is a no-rules fight, & whoever doesn't come loaded for bear is not going to make it.

I do strongly believe reforms are needed The U.S. really needs to stop the fact that so much money goes into elections, so that the candidate who spends the most is more likely to win. The funneling of money without accountability is, as far as I'm concerned, money laundering. No individual or organization, be it a union or a corporation, should be able to give to support a candidate without accountability. I would like to see "paid for by X" disclosed & at the beginning of a campaign ad, not the end!
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worker beenumbed
08:42 PM on 06/19/2011
The progressives might pressure for a Constitutional amendmrnt to allow congress to limit campaign spending.It has been proposed by members of the House.The near term purpose would be to divert money from contributers who would be frightened into fighting it.Franken is frankly correct as usual for him.
08:54 PM on 06/19/2011
ok, there's way too much money being spent to put people in office. And yes, someone has to take the first step. That person should be YOU, the voter. Imagine, if you will, not voting for anyone who had tv ads. Neighborhoods could get together, pick someone from thiers or other neighborhoods, and do a write in campaign. you could concievably end up with a congress that owes NOBODY but the voters themselves. But, we, the people must do this. you won't get it from either the democrats nor from the republicans. it's high time we fired BOTH political parties.
08:02 AM on 06/20/2011
That's a risky practice that too often leaves you with the worst possible choice or the guy you DON'T want getting elected. More effective to insist on Fair Elections laws that legally limit spending. Of course the same big money people who choose our candidates will do everything in their power to keep it from happening, but if we just sit around hoping it will happen, it won't.
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
05:09 PM on 06/20/2011
I prefer to pick my candidates based on political criteria, not based on who did or didn't advertise.
07:10 PM on 06/19/2011
Feingold, is too late. The Democrats are part of the problem. Everyone sold out to Corporations and personal greed. The country has failed. We don't have any manufacturing so how are people going to have jobs? Big Oil (ala Koch Brothers) own this country and almost every Republican, so how are alternative energy programs going to get funded? I'll just bet that most people can't remember (or haven't read their history) that President Jimmy Carter, installed solar panels on the roof of the Whitehouse (Regan torn them down!), or that he addressed our dependence on oil, and need for alternative energy sources back in 1979? We're living in a Oligarchy, which wants permanence, and they will resort to all limits to remain in control. Say goodbye to:

1. The EPA
2. Department of Education
3. Healthcare for everyone
4. Social Security
5. Medicare
6. Medicaid
7. Privacy
8. Our civil liberties
9. Justice as we knew it
10. Weather - global warming, climate change, or whatever you want/don't want to call ift, is real and we're in for more severe storms, and poor air quality.
07:55 PM on 06/19/2011
Sad to say, I think you are correct, and that our only hope is a revolution.
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Rubiconski
On Crisis Standby Mode
04:43 AM on 06/20/2011
Our representatives are loyal only to I S R A E L as was evident in a recent special session of congress.
06:32 PM on 06/21/2011
You need an urgent psychiatric evaluation! You're delusions are out of control and you're in need of immediate treatment, including medication therapy.
06:38 PM on 06/19/2011
Hi, I need directions to Senator Franken's vote on the Patriot Act. Was there a trade?
08:55 PM on 06/19/2011
Senator Franken took office in 2008. the (misnamed) Patriot Act was signed during Bush's first term. Franken missed the vote by several years.
11:08 AM on 06/20/2011
The OP may be talking about the extension of the (misnamed) Patriot Act done in May.
proudtobrepub
anyone in 2012 but obama
02:08 PM on 06/20/2011
Good post!
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Chamique Parker
06:04 PM on 06/19/2011
How about passing a budget, which senate dems haven't in the last 781 days.
06:57 PM on 06/19/2011
What do you know of the budget, or ANY budget for that matter? You're a kid whose regurgitating what you heard your parent(s) say? You don't even have a checking account, your own apartment, or a job! All you're interested in, is making snarky comments for your personal entertainment. You're ignorance is painfully apparent. Now, go back into your bedroom, inside your parent's home and play with your twitter!
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Chamique Parker
07:31 PM on 06/19/2011
Typical liberal, all you got is insults. Intelligent discourse is above your pay grade.
proudtobrepub
anyone in 2012 but obama
01:58 PM on 06/20/2011
I am not a kid. i am 53 and run a 1.4 billion company (rated as 41st in Houston (you know Houston in the state of texas that created 37% of odumas jobs. LOL
And the poster is right. They did not pass a budget last year and not one this year. The republicans are having to do it for them.
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rotorhead1871
who are you jivin' with that cosmic debris?...
06:03 PM on 06/19/2011
??????.....what are you actually presenting??
05:35 PM on 06/19/2011
Why does anyone care what Franken says. He is a joke, his jokes and efforts to be intelligent are fruitless, and is a total waste of air space.
05:40 PM on 06/19/2011
Actually he's been a very effective member of the Senate, introducing bills designed to force corporations to act ethical, like not allowing the government to do business with companies that force employees to go to arbitration, not the courts, if they are raped while working for them.
proudtobrepub
anyone in 2012 but obama
01:59 PM on 06/20/2011
Mrs Franken, you should not be posting on here. You are the only one that thinks he has done a good job. But he did write some funny jokes years ago. THATS ABOUT IT
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Ron Booth
Educate, Agitate, Organize!
06:30 PM on 06/19/2011
Its apparent that you are entirely unfamiliar with bills that Senator Franken has introduced or supported and equally unfamiliar with the committee work he has done.

Your post is one of the perfect examples of 'It's some times better to remain silent and thought of as a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt'.
proudtobrepub
anyone in 2012 but obama
01:59 PM on 06/20/2011
ONE ANSWER-OBAMA lol
proudtobrepub
anyone in 2012 but obama
02:05 PM on 06/20/2011
Please ask oduma to stop thinking, talking and go back to golf and basketball.
Thats what he does best