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Internet Sales Tax Would Cover More Than 460,000 Teacher Salaries: BLS

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First Posted: 06/19/11 12:56 PM ET Updated: 08/19/11 06:12 AM ET

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AUSTIN, Texas — State governments across the country are laying off teachers, closing public libraries and parks, and reducing health care services, but there is one place they could get $23 billion a year if they could only agree how to do it: Internet retailers such as Amazon.com.

That's enough to pay for the salaries of more than 460,000 teachers, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. In California, the amount of uncollected taxes from Amazon sales alone is roughly the same amount cut from child welfare services in the current state budget.

But collecting those taxes from major online retailers is difficult.

Internet retailers are required to collect sales tax only when they sell to customers living in a state where they have a physical presence, such as a store or office. When consumers order from out-of-state retailers, they are required under state law to pay the tax. But it's difficult to enforce and rarely happens.

That means under the current system the seller is absolved of responsibility, buyers save 3 percent to 9 percent because they rarely volunteer to pay the sales tax, and the state loses revenue.

With sales tax revenue slumping more than 30 percent in most states between 2007 and 2010, lawmakers across the country are grasping for ways to collect those unpaid taxes. Retailers and lawmakers in several states have proposed ways to solve the problem, some with more support than others.

"The problem is that some out-of-state e-retailers openly flaunt the law, arguing that it doesn't apply to them," said Texas state Democratic Rep. Elliot Naishtat, who has offered a bill to require more Internet sellers to collect Texas sales tax. "It's about potentially generating hundreds of millions of dollars for our state."

Texas cut $24 billion in state services to cover its revenue shortfall. That included decisions not to fund the expected growth in the number of public school students and the expected growth in the caseload for Medicaid, the health care program for the poor and disabled.

Internet retailers cite a 1992 U.S. Supreme Court decision involving catalog sales, Quill Corp. v. North Dakota, which ruled that states could require only companies that had a physical presence within the state to act as tax collector.

To get around the ruling, some states are expanding what it means to be physically present. For example, an online retailer hiring a marketing firm or owning a subsidiary inside the state would qualify under definitions adopted in some states.

In February, the Texas comptroller demanded that Amazon.com pay $269 million in back sales taxes because a subsidiary operated a warehouse near Dallas. Amazon is appealing the order.

Last year, New York enacted a law that said Internet retailers' practice of paying commissions to marketing agents based within the state constituted a presence. Arkansas, Colorado, Illinois, Rhode Island and North Carolina quickly followed with similar laws.

Bills are pending in Arizona, California, Florida, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Minnesota and Pennsylvania. Texas lawmakers passed such a measure, but Gov. Rick Perry vetoed it. Now legislators are trying to resurrect the bill by attaching it to a larger budget measure. The matter is now before a conference committee.

California estimates it loses at least $200 million a year in uncollected tax from online sales, $83 million from Amazon.com alone. A bill that has passed the state Legislature would force Seattle-based Amazon and others to collect that tax from California residents.

Amazon, Overstock.com and other big Internet retailers cite the Quill decision as their primary defense against collecting sales taxes, but they also argue that collecting tax in the District of Columbia and the 45 states where a sales tax exists would be extremely complex and expensive.

"There are over 8,000 taxing jurisdictions in the United States," said Jonathan Johnson, president of Overstock.com, which has offices only in Utah. "We think it's wrong that states are trying to cause out-of-state retailers to be their tax collectors."

After all, Johnson said, these retailers do not use any state services where they don't have offices.

To avoid having to collect sales tax, Amazon threatened to close its warehouse in Texas, cut off marketing affiliates in Illinois and North Carolina and sued New York claiming the law there is unconstitutional.

Earlier this month, Amazon severed ties with website affiliates in Connecticut after the governor signed into law a state tax on online purchases that is expected to raise $9.4 million.

The movement by states to force online retailers to collect sales taxes is more than just an attempt by government to get more money. It also highlights a rift in the business community.

Traditional retailers are complaining loudly to their elected officials, saying the current structure creates an unfair playing field.

Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, J.C. Penney, Sears and other traditional retailers have formed The Alliance for Main Street Fairness to push for more stringent tax laws on Internet retailers. Brick-and-mortar stores saw sales plunge 9.1 percent between 2007-2009, while online merchants saw sales rise 4.8 percent, according to the latest data available from the U.S. Census Bureau. Wal-Mart's comparable store sales were down nearly 1 percent in 2010.

The alliance is pushing to expand the definition of physical presence, state-by-state, to force big online retailers to collect state sales tax.

When Texas lawmakers took up such a bill, most of the testimony came from owners of small businesses. Gregg Burger, the general manager of Austin's Precision Camera, complained that customers come into his store to inspect the products, but then go online to buy them to avoid the sales tax.

"We get people all the time who come in, talk to a salesman for 15 minutes to half an hour ... and then go, and we know they are going to buy it online because they can save money. In theory, they are stealing our time," Burger said. "We're losing at least 15 percent to online, out-of-state, so we're losing anywhere between $3 million and $5 million a year in business."

While state laws would help, Burger said he would like to see a national solution.

"We should be picking on everyone who ships into every state," he said.

But local Internet marketers that link to major Internet retailers complain the laws would hurt them. In Illinois and other states where such laws have passed, Internet retailers cut their ties with local web sites.

Johnson, of Overstock, said the traditional retail giants are just getting a taste of their own medicine.

"Local retailers complained that the big-box stores were coming in and taking their business, and the Wal-Marts of the world said they had a better business model and the world has changed," Johnson said. "Today, the business model has changed and we can take cost out of the supply chain by doing business the way we do on the Internet. And for Wal-Mart, of all people, to be saying it's not fair that Amazon and Overstock can't be forced to be tax collectors is ironic."

Representatives for Wal-Mart and Target declined to comment for this story.

While the U.S. Supreme Court sided with online retailers in its Quill decision, the ruling also said Congress should pass a law standardizing sales tax collection under the Interstate Commerce Clause. Perry, the pro-business and states-rights Texas governor, said in his veto message that a national solution is the only way to settle the issue.

Traditional retailers have lobbied for the Main Street Fairness Act, which was reintroduced in Congress this spring by Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Illinois. The act would be "a helping hand to state and local governments at a time that they need it the most," he said.

While few think the Republican-controlled House of Representatives will pass a bill that critics have called "a tax on the Internet," the sudden flurry of action in state legislatures and lobbying by big retailers could provide a boost to efforts to pass such a law, even among conservatives.

Those lawmakers find themselves in a bind between opposing taxes and supporting traditional businesses.

"Republicans and Democrats alike recognize that there is an inequity here," said Danny Diaz, a spokesman for the Alliance for Main Street Fairness.

A component of the proposed federal law is a requirement for states to adopt the Streamlined Sales and Use Tax Agreement, which would standardize sales tax laws and filing requirements for Internet retailers. To sweeten the pot, states would reimburse companies for any additional costs involved in collecting it.

Already, 24 states have adopted the streamlined sales tax, while 1,500 companies have voluntarily collected $700 million in sales tax revenue since 2005 using the system, said Scott Peterson, executive director of the Streamlined Sales Tax Governing Board. The volunteer retailers represent only a fraction of online sales.

Overstock's Johnson and Paul Misener, vice president for global public policy at Amazon, said they would support a national standard using the Streamlined Sales and Use Tax Agreement.

"We've long supported a truly simple, national approach, evenhandedly applied," Misener said. "This is federalism at work, and many states are making the right decision to seek a federal solution."

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- In a story June 19 about collecting sales tax on Internet sales, The Associated Press incorrectly reported that the $23 billion in uncollected sales and use tax could employ 46,000 teachers. That number should have been 460,000 teachers.

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Giovanni Campanella
07:14 PM on 06/21/2011
No thanks. We should end all of our foreign entanglements and domestic entitlements. Adding another tax to a dying economy while our elite spend trillions is not the right thing to do.
06:09 PM on 06/21/2011
I wonder how many people are actually employed at Amazon.com? Would they fire anyone if this tax went into effect?
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NCEngineer
02:49 PM on 06/21/2011
They make it sound as if this new tax income is free money that will come from somewhere not affecting anyone. I am not arguing the merits of the idea, only that if everyone who had been avoiding taxes now has to pay them, that reduces their ability to buy other things. So I do not think the net tax income increase will be anywhere near what they say it will.
06:10 PM on 06/21/2011
So if I have to pay an extra $1 in taxes on a book, I won't by milk?
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vippy
Carpe Diem!
02:32 PM on 06/21/2011
Oh baloney! They said the same thing when they initiated the sales tax with 1% and look where we are today. Then the lotto in Texas would take care of the education program and that did not happen. Not sure where the money goes now. All lies. We need to hold the politicians responsible and don't vote for them again for it was all of them who drove this country off the cliff. Every 4 years kick out the politicians and get a new crew. This way they don't get too comfortable and work to expand their careers. See what all that repeat election has done for us.
02:07 PM on 06/21/2011
If the government stopped wasting money around the world we would not be looking under every rock for the next thing they should tax. Remember, we, the people will be paying the tax.
01:51 PM on 06/21/2011
This should be a very easy problem to solve. Just averege out the sales tax for all fifty states and charge buyers that amount of money on every internet sales tranaction.
06:12 PM on 06/21/2011
Nope, that's too easy.
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KenGirard
"American" is my religion. I have faith in it.
12:42 PM on 06/21/2011
Say...what is to stop me from having a store that displays items, and then lets you use my computer to buy them off eBay, which I then "deliver" to you before you leave, so I don't have to pay sales tax?
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Bigspot
Waiting for the golden horde
12:53 PM on 06/21/2011
You are required to pay your states sales on ALL purchases on which your states sales tax has not been paid. This is done on your states income tax forms, you are asked to declare the value of un-taxed purchases.

Not declaring is tax evasion, a crime.

State taxes pay for state services.
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KenGirard
"American" is my religion. I have faith in it.
01:47 PM on 06/21/2011
So the seller is not required to charge sales tax on internet based sales? And if the buyer fails to claim and pay them, then they are the one in trouble. This is what you are telling me.
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KenGirard
"American" is my religion. I have faith in it.
12:34 PM on 06/21/2011
Make it a Federal tax charged if the shipping or recieving location are in the US. This stops major corps from playing one state off the other, and makes shipments from outside the US pay taxes as well.
Of course, there are loop holes to look at, as my wife bought a dress from a seller in China for $1 + $99 shipping and handling.
12:38 PM on 06/21/2011
Brilliant, another, totally new level of federal taxation....
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KenGirard
"American" is my religion. I have faith in it.
02:48 PM on 06/22/2011
One that would stop all the states and cities from charging taxes on internet sales.
One that would make it simple for buisnesses, as it is one rate across America, rather then 50 state taxes, and a million city & counties, which it is looking to become.
One that should be earmarked so that every single penny of it is used to pay off the national debt.
12:34 PM on 06/21/2011
And about 10 administrators...
Politicians will say anything, do anything to get more of our money to spend on what they want, and then of course, spend beyond the new money.

I can't believe this is even considered a news story...its propaganda.
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SF TKF
Cthulhu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
10:53 AM on 06/21/2011
Except that it won’t. It will actually end up costing the state money. Amazon will drop all its CA affiliates, costing those businesses untold amounts of money and cutting off the taxes that they once paid. It’s a lose/lose for everyone.
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grf67
08:29 AM on 06/21/2011
So, change the law and tax internet sales. Also provide the funds for enforcement with big penalities for those who cheat.
09:13 AM on 06/21/2011
Including the tax payers who should be paying when they file their tax returns but aren't? These taxes aren't paid out of the profits of the business, they're sales tax charged to a customer just like you would get charged when you walk into a store and buy something.
08:07 AM on 06/21/2011
OH yeh, to the thought that "...this is not ANOTHER tax...", any 66% increase feesl like another tax, but if it feels better to hear, ""Don't increase my sales tax 66% (from 6% to 10%)", fine---"Don't increase my sales tax ANY!" Another tax dollar to the govt. that says, "You have to pass the bill if you want to find out what is in it" (Nancy P) is USA earners $$$$ loss! Look at the RESULTS & CHANGE your thoughts about ADDitional $$$$ to govt.
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thoreau101
08:03 AM on 06/21/2011
But cutting back corporate welfare would yield more. The middle class doesn't need anymore abuse.
07:43 AM on 06/21/2011
Al, Jesse & Dr. Seuss are has-bins (thanks for The Cat In The Hat correction). Education correction is a complex social issue, but establish what is to be taught & at what ages & require students to reach minimum levels to pass up the ladder (hire more teachers--use volunteers) what ever it takes to teach Reading Righting & Rithmatic- oh & Science. Whatever it takes! Feel-Good-Grades just ain't gona get it----as the most recent 50 yrs. have proved! It is a National Security Issue---share some Dept. of Defence funds--maybe.
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hipocampelofantocame
retired pediatrician
05:27 AM on 06/21/2011
Tax my internet purchases? Screw you! I already pay a huge percentage of tax, and to
be be truthful, when I'm in Europe, I don't object to the 19% Value Added Tax. But, I get
a lot for my money.
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grf67
08:30 AM on 06/21/2011
What a great patriotic American. It is all about me and the rest of you are on your own.
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vippy
Carpe Diem!
02:41 PM on 06/21/2011
Show me, where the rich, who park their money in off-shore banks and are pursued by congress pay their taxes so we are on equal footing first! Now they are claiming they want to charge VAT but realize Europe don't have a sales tax, so are they thinking of eliminating the sales tax before putting in place the VAT? I doubt it. Accounts Receivable Tax Building Permit Tax CDL License Tax Cigarette Tax Corporate Income Tax Dog License Tax Federal Income Tax Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA) Fishing License Tax Food License Tax Fuel Perm it Tax Gasoline Tax Hunting License Tax Inheritance Tax Inventory Tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax), IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax), Liquor Tax, Luxury Tax, Marriage License Tax, Medicare Tax, Property Tax, Real Estate Tax, Service charge taxes, Social Security Tax, Road Usage Tax (Truckers), Sales Taxes, Recreational Vehicle Tax, School Tax, State Income Tax, State Unemployment Tax (SUTA), Telephone Federal Excise Tax, Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax, Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Tax, Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax, Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax, Telephone State and Local Tax, Telephone Usage Charge Tax, Utility Tax, Vehicle License Registration Tax, Vehicle Sales Tax, Watercraft Registration Tax, Well Permit Tax, Workers Compensation Tax..