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El-Erian: European Economies Will Solve Problems 'Through Default'

Greece Debt Crisis

First Posted: 06/22/11 09:48 AM ET Updated: 08/22/11 06:12 AM ET

TAIPEI - The head of PIMCO, the world's biggest bond fund, predicted that Greece and other European economies would default on their debts to resolve their problems as the euro area deals with its debt crisis.

Greece's government won a vote of confidence late on Tuesday, a crucial step toward securing further short-term and longer-term financial aid from the European Union and the IMF as the country tries to avoid the euro zone's first sovereign debt default.

"For the next three years, we're going to see different economies work out different problems. For European economies, especially Greece, it would be through default," Mohamed El-Erian, chief executive of PIMCO, told reporters in Taipei on Wednesday via a video conference.

He didn't identify which economies other than Greece he was referring to.

El-Erian has suggested in the past that Greece would default and that Europe risks wasting money for nothing by pumping billions of dollars into the ailing economy.

"Nothing has been done to enhance growth," he said. "No single (Greek) indicator has shown strength. They are afraid a restructuring would hurt European banks."

He doubted a Greek default could trigger another global financial crisis.

"Ireland, Portugal, Italy and Spain would have to be involved. But Greece is too small in terms of economic impact," El-Erian said.

PIMCO, or the Pacific Investment Management Co, is based in California and is the world's biggest bond fund manager with nearly $1.3 trillion in assets under management.

Horacio Valeiras, chief investment officer of fund firm Allianz Global Investors Capital (AGIC), predicted that Ireland and Portugal, countries that also received financial bailouts in the wake of the global credit crisis, will have to restructure their debts.

PIMCO and AGIC are units of German insurer Allianz, which organised briefings for the media and investors.

"We are not investing in Greece, Ireland, Spain and Portugal," said Valeiras, who appeared in person at the press briefing. He said default in Greece was "inevitable".

The confidence vote in Athens came after a European ultimatum requiring the debt-choked state to agree to a five-year austerity package of measures within the next two weeks or miss out on a 12-billion euro tranche of aid money.

Without the loan, Athens will run out of cash next month and policymakers fear a default would send shockwaves through the global financial system.

European officials are also considering a second bailout package worth an estimated 120 billion euros that is meant to extend Greece's year-old 110 billion euro deal and fund it into 2014.

Sovereign debt elsewhere in the developed world has also soared since the global crisis, affecting investment decisions.

The fiscal weight of the global financial crisis prompted PIMCO to dump U.S. sovereign bonds. The fund's $236.9 billion PIMCO Total Return Fund said in March it had completed a move in February to drop all its investments in U.S. government debt.

Earlier this month, Tomoya Masanao, the head of Japan portfolio management for PIMCO, said the fund manager had cut holdings of Japanese and U.S. government debt to shift money into more attractive investments, such as debt issued by the likes of Australia, Canada, Brazil and Mexico.

(Reporting by Faith Hung; Editing by Neil Fullick)


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TAIPEI - The head of PIMCO, the world's biggest bond fund, predicted that Greece and other European economies would default on their debts to resolve their problems as the euro area deals with its...
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02:54 PM on 06/23/2011
Tranche Warfare?
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03:10 PM on 06/23/2011
Classic! Can I use it?
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08:54 AM on 06/23/2011
Goldman-Sachs Behind Greek Default?

The Daily Show mentioned humorously that Goldman-Sachs engineered the bond sale that eventually brought about the financial crisis in Greece.

Goldman packaged the shaky bonds to disguise Greece's likely default and sold them worldwide as if the bonds were sound as the Krugerand. Thanks to the entirely unregulated derivatives market and aided by stupid bankers around the globe, the Goldman ruse hid Greece's insolvency until it became a looming catastrophe for European and American banks.

If The Daily Show is right, then Goldman has acted as international agent provocateur for what threatens to be intercontinental financial war. If it's as scary as the pundits are saying, didn't Goldman create the financial equivalent of the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the Contra army of Ollie North, WMD reports and bin Laden's secret mountain cave?

And if Goldman-Sachs was in fact the architect of Greece's impending financial collapse, why is this seminal fact absent from all the news reports I've seen lately?

I mean, other than the obvious reasons....
01:11 PM on 06/23/2011
Goldman-Sachs is like the merry prankster in the office. Always doing inappropriate stuff for laughs and it never quite comes off right.
Gotta be on the lookout for them or you'll be next.
06:00 PM on 06/22/2011
I'm starting to think we could use a stronger dollar. We don't export much anyway.
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becky bradshaw
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth
08:15 PM on 06/22/2011
A stronger dollar would only increase our effective debt, and exacerbate the trade deficit. The U.S. and Europe will be forced to devalue their currencies to about 6-7% of their current levels (http://icanhastruth.wordpress.com/2008/11/13/dollar-set-to-devalue-up-to-90/).

Globalism forces a global standard of living. In 25 years, it will be difficult to recognize if one is in Chicago, Paris, or Mumbai. (http://www.walkthroughindia.com/lifestyle/major-slum-areas-in-top-indian-cities/)
11:44 PM on 06/22/2011
Per the original article, I concluded that the Euro is in trouble and that the US dollar would gain strength assuming the US can lay a framework to manage its debt over the long term. I am not arguing for or against the long term implications of having a stronger dollar for an extended period of time which would a negative impact on the trade deficit. There are however short term benefits to having a strong dollars which include increased consumption and a counter balance to inflation. Those effects I welcome given that market demand is flat.

PS: I don't care much about global living standards in 25 years.
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JoanMeijer
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01:07 PM on 06/22/2011
I don't think we should protect the banks. They caused this problem across the world and I think they should have to live with the fall out. There will always be banks even if they're not the banks we see today.
09:15 AM on 06/23/2011
Bankers get to take Other People's Money (OPM) to the Wall Street Casino, pocket the money if their bet wins, and give the losses to the taxpayers if their bet looses. For this, they get tens of millions of dollars in bonus checks on their way out the door. What a joke!
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Christopher Hull
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12:55 PM on 06/22/2011
Greece should first look at how much money is being made on its Soverign Debt by foreign investors. Then they should audit the books, like Argentina did, and find out how much of the money loaned to them actually went to the Greek government and how much was simply moved around on paper to make more money for the banksters. Then they should pay back the amount they actually received. Which is what Argentina did and why they ended up paying something like ten cents on the dollar.
The banks have intentionally created more debt than there is money to pay. This is not an accident. This is a plan. Make money on the way up and make money on the way down.
We need a global reset of debt and ALL countries should only pay the debt that they genuinely owe.
The default is coming anyway. It is our choice whether it is an orderly process or one that leads to blood in the streets.
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03:29 PM on 06/22/2011
What rubbish! Your Dylan Ratigan-soaked language doesn't help much. The Greek government overborrowed by anyone's account. About 1 in every 3 people work for the government, people retire with good pensions at as early as 50, the tax system is a joke (the Greeks as a matter of custom pay ridiculously low effective rates because they hide income).Productivity is laughably low: the Greeks produce about $35/hour in goods and services compared with over $50/hour in the US and Germany. The borrowings they've undertaken have gone toward entitlements, not investing in their own country.

And the "banksters" could not force the Greeks to borrow too much - the Greeks chose to do that. Take a look at the book "Bust: Greece, the Euro and the Sovereign Debt Crisis" by Matthew Lynn. He bursts the bubble about Goldman's advice and how they "helped" Greece mislead others. The impact was extraordinarily insignificant (it raised the deficit by a fraction of a percent of GDP, and total debt by about 1% of GDP - hardly material). And the Greeks didn't have to do what Goldman told them was available to them as an option. Sure, Greece can and will default. I don't believe they have a choice. But don't think that only the "banksters" will pay. For example, European banks insure municpal bond issuers so the cities get lower rates. Already some of the rates that cities pay for borrowing are increasing because borrowers know the insurers are being hurt.
04:17 PM on 06/22/2011
Your hate filled rant about Greece aside, he is correct. New money is created out of nothing by private banks via fractional reserve lending and lent out at interest.

95 percent of all money is in the form of bank credit. If all debts were paid there would be no money. Thus under this debt based monetary system, private and public debt must grow for the economy to grow.

Look at z1 from the fed, notice how private debt growth booms during good economic times and slows during recessions?

http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/Current/z1r-2.pdf

This is why every single country is in debt. It’s the system that is broken. Monetary reform is required.
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04:53 PM on 06/22/2011
Too many people believe all the garbage they learned in Econ 101 and 102. They compound their gullibility by actually believing the financial press, who are bought-and-paid-for by the corporate sector. Next, you'll lecture us on the evils of socialism and unions. Now, that's rubbish!
12:52 PM on 06/22/2011
Couple of thoughts;
It's nice to see some comments that aren't just " Obama's a socialist " etc ...

When the guys at PIMCO say something it usually pays to listen. They are not always right
but it is usually a reasoned statement.
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Okillia
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12:01 PM on 06/22/2011
One see's that a small nation like Greece can apparently send "shockwaves" through the world markets yet the looming default by the worlds biggest currency and its affects are merely pooh-poohed by the Teabaggers and their ilk.
Makes one wonder....
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leorangerie
11:02 AM on 06/22/2011
Greece has technically defaulted already, since there are no existing metrics by which they can meet their debt obligations.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
09:49 AM on 06/22/2011
If Greece did not repay the first 110 billion euro loan last year, why would anybody expect them to repay another 120 billion euro loan now.

California is in the identical situation.

The USA is approaching a similar situation as the US government borrows money and spends that money on bureaucratic payrolls, military payrolls, government contracts, wars, infrastructure expansion and/or other activities that do not create any national wealth.

China is a net creator of Wealth and the USA is a net consumer (destroyer) of Wealth.
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gerald4
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10:04 AM on 06/22/2011
Instead of creating wealth, the USA is printing and selling freshly printed paper US Treasury Bonds that have no value and are not redeemable for gold, so the US government is redeeming these freshly printed paper US Treasury Bonds, Dollars and other Securities for title to (corporations that own) privately owned businesses, factories, casinos, hotels, farms, land, ports, refineries, forests, ports, breweries, distilleries, and other privately owned wealth and assets located in the USA that were created by previous US generations prior to de-industrialization instead of gold.

The USA needs to get back some of this wealth that was earned by industrious foreigners when US citizens paid these foreigners to manufacture our imported products that we consume, rather than have US citizens work to create wealth and produce most of the things that we consumed, and also to pay for growing US government expenses that are in excess of our federal tax collections.

When the USA has no more privately owned wealth and assets (real estate and businesses) for foreigners in industrial countries to exchange for freshly printed paper US Treasury Bonds and freshly printed paper US Dollars that we gave the foreigners to make consumer products for US citizens, those foreigners will not accept any more of our freshly printed US dollars to pay for the consumer products that we continue to import and consume.
Butquestioning
Searching for truth
11:21 AM on 06/22/2011
You say that the US Treasury Bonds have no value and are not redeemable for gold... Who's Bonds or Notes are redeemable for gold??? I know of none...

Also, our privately held weatlh is increasing, not decreasing so I find it impossible to think that it will ever be that "USA has no more privately owned wealth and assets".

The problem, as I see it, is that we have, as a nation, not colllected enough in taxes to pay for the services we provide to our people. It is not that our people are "broke' but just that the wealth is not in the hands of government, but in the hands of the people...true it is, that it is a relatively few of our people. But, the nation is wealthy, but not our government. And that is the way it should be, except that we need a little better distribution of the wealth to generate more consumer spending and create demand in the market place.
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laurieanichols
je pense donc, je suis
09:48 AM on 06/22/2011
I don't understand enough about monetary policy to seriously debate this issue. But I do know that I always felt that it was a shame that the individual countries had to surrender their own currencies to become part of a larger whole market. I understand the logic in terms of successfully competing against the bigger American market and the huge Asian market but I never understood how they could incorporate all the countries into one currency because every country is at a different economic strength and how does that even itself out over time? Greece and Portugal might be better off exiting the union and starting all over again.
KIampfbeobachter
Misanthropic economic and political shaman
11:12 AM on 06/22/2011
" that the individual countries had to surrender their own currencies to become part of a larger whole market."

No nation, Britain serves as an example, was forced to surrender it's currency to be part of the larger market. The advantage was to eliminate the currency exchange losses when people and or goods crossed nations borders. I know this first hand from my flying years.
Butquestioning
Searching for truth
11:25 AM on 06/22/2011
...and the EU would be better off without Greece, but there is a financial relationship that has ties to other countries and debt default would hurt those that are holding that debt... Right now though, bailing Greece out keeps all the other countries at some risk if Greece cannot "recover" from the economic problems they face.