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Prominent Gay Rights Protesters Make Amends With Obama

Obama Gay Rights 2012

First Posted: 06/22/11 02:23 PM ET Updated: 08/22/11 06:12 AM ET

By Mark Egan

NEW YORK -- President Barack Obama has delivered important political victories for gays but is unlikely to push his support for gay rights much further before the 2012 election in case he alienates independent voters.

Gay leaders will likely give Obama high marks at a fundraiser in New York on Thursday for pushing through issues like winning gays the right to serve openly in the military.

Yet calls for the White House to back gay marriage and strengthen federal anti-discrimination protection will probably go unheeded as Obama treads carefully in the run-up to next November's election.

"The conundrum Obama faces is keeping this essential core constituency while not going overboard and alienating the high-intensity opponents of that constituency," said pollster John Zogby of IBOPE Zogby International. "His challenge is to continue to play it cool and not to go overboard."

Independent voters, seen as less likely to back gay causes, will be crucial in winning closely contested states such as Virginia, North Carolina, Ohio, Florida, Indiana and Wisconsin.

With the economy in trouble, the election is shaping up as a tighter race for Obama than his 2008 victory and he must keep key voting groups on board.

Evangelicals mostly vote Republican, but Obama took 30 percent of their votes in 2008 and he cannot afford to lose them, Zogby said. African Americans voted 95 percent for Obama in 2008 and heavily oppose gay marriage, he said.

Among Latinos, which Obama won in 2008, 40 percent call themselves social conservatives.

By contrast, the gay vote is small although influential. A CNN exit poll from 2008 showed 4 percent of voters were gay, lesbian or bisexual and 70 percent of them voted for Obama. Another reckoning puts gays at 7 percent of voters.

Boston University political science department chair Professor Graham Wilson said Obama will want to keep his gay constituencies sweet because they have high incomes, making them a potentially strong fundraising group.

"So long as Obama maintains his reasonably OK record on gay issues and Republicans continue to be identified with fairly aggressive anti-gay sentiments, there is not much doubt as to where the gay vote goes," Wilson said.

GAY RIGHTS ADVANCES

Many in the gay community praise Obama for ending the "don't ask don't tell" policy banning gays from openly serving in the military and for instructing the Justice Department to stop defending a law banning federal recognition of same-sex unions.

But many are annoyed that he has not backed gay marriage, seeing his "evolving" position on the issue as a cop-out. They also want sexual orientation added to federal discrimination statutes.

"So far it's a mixed bag," said Richard Socarides, head of the national gay-rights group Equality Matters.

"People believe his heart is in the right place. He's especially attractive when you consider the alternative," he said.

Obama campaign strategist David Axelrod said the president has made "historic progress" on gay issues and that his record stands in stark contrast to what would happen if Republicans were to win in the 2012 presidential election.

"I don't in any way doubt there are those who don't feel like progress has been made fast enough," Axelrod told MSNBC this week. "There is going to be a fundamental choice to be made in the next election and I think that choice will be clear to everyone and will be a galvanizing choice."

Politics Professor Ken Sherrill at Hunter College in New York City said Obama has made many small advances in gay rights such as requiring that hospitals taking federal money allow gays the right to visit their partners in hospital.

"The objections to Obama are more questions of the pace of change and the visibility of change," Sherrill said.

But Dan Weiller, of Empire State Pride Agenda which is lobbying this week in Albany for gay marriage in New York state, said gays should understand Obama's pragmatic approach.

"We recognize that for the president there are certain political realities," he said.

Marjorie Hill, chief executive of Gay Men's Health Crisis, America's oldest Gay AIDS service group, said she supported Obama financially in 2008 and will again in 2012.

"Anyone can talk the talk, but walking the walk does take longer," she said. "Being in office for two and a half years, there have been amazing strides."

(Additional reporting by Paula Rogo and Daniel Wiessner, editing by Mohammad Zargham)

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Steamboater 03:44 PM on 06/22/2011
For fear of alienating 2012 voters? That's what phobias are--FEARS! Fear is what keeps us attacked and bashed and disallowed full equality and Obama plays into it and becomes a part ot that fear. I will not vote for him just because the GOP is worse and Obama is the cream of the crap. Take a taste of both and you stil get sick to your stomach. When it comes to our rights, neither Obama or the GOP cant be  Read More...
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TallThinMan
10:18 PM on 06/29/2011
Why is it the physically unattractive gays that are always protesting and screaming for equal rights?
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TallThinMan
10:17 PM on 06/29/2011
Giving people false "rights" of whom dont know anything about law and freedom yet stalk around screaming "hate" and "bigot" shouldnt be given a right to tie their shoes
07:27 PM on 06/23/2011
How many times has the 'rich gay' myth been debunked? As a community, we make less money per hour than our straight counterparts, we pay more in taxes if we're married, and we're more likely to be cut off from our biological families (homeless LGBT youth anyone?). Sure, we're less likely to have children.

I don't know. Maybe it's good that there is a common myth that the LGBT community is rich. Politicians may be more willing to court our vote. However, social services are more likely to be concealed elsewhere if it looks like we don't need them.
scipio2009
Alan Wolfe's "The Future of Liberalism"
04:45 PM on 06/23/2011
lol

nice selective editing, HuffPost
04:30 PM on 06/23/2011
Marriage 'rights for fetishists!

If you feel a desire to do it sexually it must be inborn, right?--so you get to marry the object of your desire!

I now pronounce you man and shoe, man and rubber blow up doll,man and........
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Dirk1
Same Sex Married
05:44 AM on 06/23/2011
One - The figures are all over the place. Before the 2010 elections, leading Democrats said we weren't even 3% of the population and supporting our civil rights wasn't worth it.
Now they admit at least 4, if not 7% of the voters are gay. The Republicans in 2008 flat out said we cost them the election.
Our civil rights have nothing to do with our numbers.

Number two - Yes, 30% of us (not me) voted Republican. Those votes would have kept the Democrats in office. The fact that 30% of a group which knows that the Republicans want to enact a federal amendment to the Constitution permanently making us second-class citizens still voted Republican should have been a major warning.
Three - whether it was that Democratic leader who said our civil rights don't matter in late summer 2010,or Axelrod's incredibly arrogant insults just now, we are not little children. We are not pests, we are citizens whose civil and human rights have been breeched most grievously. We, together with little old ladies (the other group being thrown under the bus by this administration), are the largest part of the volunteers who run campaigns. Keep treating the old ladies and us this way and you'll see the attrition of 2010 expand enormously.
Analog to this, yes, some of us have money to invest. This is why my GayATM is closed to this administration. My money now goes to agencies which provide housing and food and medical services to
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AnotherTry
Tell me again why we can't be equal?
04:11 AM on 06/23/2011
For all of you who like to say things like: Fine, sit out the next election, see how you like a GOP president instead.

Has it not dawned on you people that YOU will also have to deal with a GOP president if Obama loses? Isn't that incentive enough for you to lobby the President to be better on equality? Why do you like to threaten us with GOP rule when it is YOU as well who will have to live with it? Maybe GOP rule isn't such a problem for you in reality. If it were, you'd be calling for every democrat to stand for equal protection under the law too. But you don't. You just tell us we have no choice. Oh but we DO.
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menmykoko
Feudalism..the original Christian coalition.
12:39 AM on 06/23/2011
As a gay man, I won't vote for him twice if he doesn't TRY to end doma before the 2012 election. I am giving him less slack because he is black and he has experienced discrimination. If you've experienced discrimination yourself and still can't recognize it when others are discriminated against, then there is something wrong with you. We've been gay for thousands of years and will continue to be gay for thousands more. Of all the societal problems in the world, none are directly related to the gay population. Not ending discriminatory policies in the only nation that espouses "freedom" and "the pursuit of happiness" (don't forget he is supposed to be a constitutional scholar) is at best negligent to 30 million people.
01:46 AM on 06/23/2011
Why should he? You're just a small insignificant bloc, and really, who else will you vote for?

He knows better than to try to buck the voting public, which by and large is dis.gusted with your lifestyle choices.

So, vote Obama. You know you will. After all, he had that back-of-the-limo thingey. He's a devi@nt like you.
05:17 AM on 06/23/2011
Flagged.
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menmykoko
Feudalism..the original Christian coalition.
01:35 PM on 06/23/2011
Yawn.
daltexdude
Equality. Now.
10:37 PM on 06/22/2011
I don't do crumbs. I don't settle for the lesser of two evils. I don't say "thank you sir may I have another" when I am slapped. I don't give the president a pass because he has made marginal changes that have not had any impact on the average gay person. You can trot out the White House generated list of all the minor things that the president has done, but the cold hard facts are I still can't marry my partner, I still don't get the 1138 rights that straight married couples get, I can still get fired for being gay, and a wealth of other things that our straight brothers and sisters take for granted. I think that while some of the gays and lesbians who continue to support Obama are pragmatists, I think a lot of them are so starved for acceptance (even if artificial and minimal) that they cherish the crumbs thrown their way. It is sad, actually.........
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DCMetroGuy
“Think and wonder, wonder and think.”
11:57 PM on 06/22/2011
"I don't say "thank you sir may I have another" when I am slapped."

and we are also not Oliver Twist to say "Please Sir, may I have some more?"

Seperate but equal will also never work, We refuse to be the new "Jim Crow"
01:47 AM on 06/23/2011
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menmykoko
Feudalism..the original Christian coalition.
12:40 AM on 06/23/2011
Agreed.
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SteveDenver
Progressive and liberal, just like Jesus Christ.
09:54 PM on 06/22/2011
What's this "gay marriage" baloney? "MARRIAGE EQUALITY" as a signal that gays and lesbians are fully-recognized citizens of a supposedly advanced nation is at stake.

Obama's backpedaling is shameful and a deception to the gays and lesbians who worked for his campaign, and donated money and time because of his stance on "equality for our gay and lesbian citizens."

Seth Meyer was absolutely correct when he said the candidate who could surely beat Obama in 2012 is Obama from 2008… "Mr. President, you would have loved him."
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
10:36 PM on 06/22/2011
I hate that term-- "gay marriage". "Marriage Equality" has been around for some time now and it would be nice for a site such as this to use that term rather than the sensationalistic "gay marriage".

I would also agree with Mr. Meyer's comment.
01:48 AM on 06/23/2011
Gay marriage will never happen under Obama's watch. He's self-loathing, and will never come out.
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DCMetroGuy
“Think and wonder, wonder and think.”
12:04 AM on 06/23/2011
Actually, "gay marriage" is unreal, and why would we settle for "MARRIAGE EQUALITY". The fact of the matter is we want marriage. "MARRIAGE EQUALITY" would still allow the bigots to do the seperate but equal thing, and we shouldn't have to be the new "Jim Crow". A "Civil Union" can be "MARRIAGE EQUALITY", and it can also still be the back of the bus.

The reality is we expect Marriage..... not just "MARRIAGE EQUALITY". It is not just our civil right, it is our basic Human Right. And Until they can prove scientifically we are not just as Human as they are, we should demand it!!!
09:20 PM on 06/22/2011
Because the LGBT community will vote for him no matter what he does, he doesn't need to court your vote. So realistically all the whining here is relatively meaningless.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
09:44 PM on 06/22/2011
Excuse me, but do YOU have to worry that you can be evicted or fired if your orientation becomes known? Has YOUR right to marry denied or revoked. Try living a little of what we do and then tell me gay people are whining.
12:41 AM on 06/23/2011
Wrong person to shake down - I actually support your freedom. Too bad they still take your vote for granted.
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SteveDenver
Progressive and liberal, just like Jesus Christ.
09:56 PM on 06/22/2011
In the last election cycle, 30% of the self-identified gay/lesbian vote went to the GOP. I don't agree with it, but Obama shouldn't take the votes for granted or count on gays and lesbians rushing to the polls to help sweep him into a second term. His best bet is a goofball opponent from the GOP.
05:19 AM on 06/23/2011
30%?
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Piraticalsimian
I went to college AND the school of hard knocks
08:51 PM on 06/22/2011
Mr. President, why are you willing to spit in congress' eye with regards to Libya and war powers, but suddenly have to tiptoe around the question of whether or not ALL Americans should get equal treatment under the law? I'm not going to compare you to Bush, that guy sucked all around. But you are a lot like Reagan: strong on foreign policy, lame on domestic policy. SCOTUS has said unequivocally that separate is inherently unequal. If you can fight congress to send GLBT soldiers to war, you can fight to make sure they are treated equally IF they return.
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dennybop
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08:14 PM on 06/22/2011
Foolish. Foolish. Foolish. Foolish. Obama is like almost every other elected official in the US. He will throw LGBT people overboard at the first moment they become more of a political liabity than an asset. We need to continue to hold his and almost every other politician in this country's feet to the fire.
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gaydood
Denied HC? goto PCIP.gov
08:34 PM on 06/22/2011
im sorry but yur wrong:)
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Skeptical Cicada
08:51 PM on 06/22/2011
No, he's right. And you're naive.
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dennybop
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09:16 PM on 06/22/2011
It's not really worth debating, since it's really a matter of opinion on both our parts. My realism (cynicism?) is based on historical precedent. President Obama has said his view on DOMA and same sex marriage is evolving. I have to wonder if it's in the service of justice, or because public opinion is moving toward marriage equality
I'm also sad that the President has allowed the military to continue discharging soldiers under DADT even though it will soon be history. That seems unecessary. I can only assume he is accomodating Pentagon brass, or trying to avoid more crtiticism from the fringe right. In any event, I respect your opinion...but im sorry yur are wrong :)
09:22 PM on 06/22/2011
You are still going to vote for him.
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dennybop
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11:54 PM on 06/22/2011
You're much surer I'll vote for him than I am! I'll have to sit out the 2012 Presidential ticket. I strongly oppose a few of the Obama administration's policies. My personal belief system will prevent me from voting for him. Obama may be called a commie pinko by many, but IMO he has been more hawkish than any President since Reagan. None of this is to imply I don't approve of a Dem in the White House.
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dmherb
I don't even know how to read...so...yeah
08:11 PM on 06/22/2011
Glad to know I can die for a country that treats me like a second class citizen.
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Skeptical Cicada
08:51 PM on 06/22/2011
You can cheer for a president who treats us like one too.
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dmherb
I don't even know how to read...so...yeah
06:44 AM on 06/23/2011
This election I'm voting my conscience. Green/Rainbow party. I don't care if they never win, I'm sick of this bu11sh!t.
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DCMetroGuy
“Think and wonder, wonder and think.”
12:55 AM on 06/23/2011
Shoot, they are more than willing to kill off a few 2nd Class citizens, we mean nothing...nada...zip. Hey unless you are top 1%, You aren't a 1st class citizen.
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dmherb
I don't even know how to read...so...yeah
06:43 AM on 06/23/2011
Depressing fact.
08:01 PM on 06/22/2011
Obama and members of the Judiciary Committee.... please stop discrimination against bi-national, same-sex couples and support the Uniting American Families Act.