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Democrats Set No Firm Lines After McConnell Re-Affirms Opposition To Tax Revenues In Debt Deal

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First Posted: 06/28/11 07:52 PM ET Updated: 08/28/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- As the deadline for the government to raise the debt ceiling approaches, it's becoming increasingly evident that the Republicans feel emboldened to draw lines in the sand while the Democrats have yet to find an end point to the compromises they are willing to make.

On Tuesday, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) reaffirmed that any plan to raise the debt limit beyond $14.29 trillion would be scuttled if it includes tax increases.

“So far, they’re saying that it’s essential,” McConnell told reporters. “We think it’s a job-killing step that shouldn’t be taken, and Republicans are not interested in going in that direction.”

Those remarks followed a Wall Street Journal story earlier in the day which revealed that Republicans had, indeed, balked at an effort to make revenue-raisers part of the final package. Congressional negotiators, led by Vice President Joe Biden, had found $1 trillion in cuts (over a ten-year period) upon which they could agree. They were hoping to pinpoint $1.4 trillion more. But when Democrats at the table said $400 billion of that remaining figure should come from closing tax loopholes or ending certain credits, GOP officials walked away from the table.

"Democrats are saying, 'Hey, here is your salad, do you want anchovies? Do you want shards of glass?'" summarized the always colorful anti-tax activist Grover Norquist. Republicans, he added, are responding, "'No, no shards of glass.' 'How about half the amount of shards of glass?' 'No, no shards of glass.' 'How about a sprinkling of shards?' 'No, no freaking shards of glass. We are making a salad here.'"

Absolutism is, more often than not, antithetical to effective -- or at least collaborative -- governance. And as the August 2 debt ceiling deadline approaches, the GOP's refusal to consider revenue-raisers is heightening fears that there will be some sort of default.

But it has proven, time and again, to be an effective negotiating tactic. As McConnell was re-stating his plank, Democrats were revamping theirs. A top Senate aide said that Democratic negotiators were looking to attach a trigger mechanism to the final debt ceiling deal, dictating that if the ratio of debt to GDP wasn't reduced in a certain amount of time, Congress would be forced to pass reduction measures that had a ratio of three dollars in spending cuts to every one dollar in tax increases. As for the bill raising the debt ceiling itself, however, the aide said "there is no set ratio" that the party had formally decided would be simply unacceptable.

In other words: lawmakers were more than ready to cut a deal that would include less than $400 billion in tax revenues.

There are, to be sure, some variables working in the Democratic Party's favor. For starters, their argument is not the heaviest of political lifts. The tax revenues lawmakers are targeting include subsidies for the oil and gas industry or owners of corporate private jets -- hardly beloved community figures.

"The way we are confronting that is saying look at the type of tax breaks they are willing to protect," said the Senate aide. "If you can break the brick wall of opposition by holding up these very indefensible examples, then you have opened up revenues more generally."

There is also a growing belief that no matter what the final product ends up being, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) will need support from the other side of the aisle to get it passed. A growing chunk of the House GOP won't sign off on any bill that raises the debt ceiling. Another chunk won't agree to a single cent of revenue increases. As a simple matter of political calculus, Boehner may have to risk losing more members of his own caucus by agreeing to a level of revenue-raisers that pleases an even larger number of House Democrats.

"We don't know where [Democratic] votes are because we don't know what's in the package," said a House Democratic leadership aide. "But Mr. Boehner is certainly aware that he is going to have to get some Democratic votes."

How far Boehner can drive apart the ratio of spending cuts to tax revenues while still keeping Democrats in the fold remains the million dollar question. The House aide said that members have not yet offered "a specific number or percentage" at which they will no longer support a deal. "There is just the general line that revenues have to be included to some extent."

Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), one of the party's most noted fiscal hawks, told The Huffington Post on Tuesday that a 50-50 split between revenues and cuts, while politically impractical, "would not be unreasonable."

"Overwhelmingly people were for a big, bold package to get the country back on track," he said. "Different people have different views of that ... If you look back on how we got into this mess, half of it is on the revenue side."

The president's fiscal commission has argued that the ratio should be set at 3:1. Already, however, a 5:1 ratio ($2 trillion in cuts to $400 billion in revenues) has been scrapped. Would the party be willing to go 11:1 ($2.2 trillion in cuts for $200 billion in revenues)?

"That's not shared sacrifice," replied one top Democratic operative who has consulted lawmakers throughout the debt ceiling debate. "Democrats should be ashamed of themselves, if they go along with a plan that undermines the core priorities Democrats have fought for during the last 50 years. If they don't fight for the middle class, how can they expect us to fight for them?"

Elise Foley contributed reporting.

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WASHINGTON -- As the deadline for the government to raise the debt ceiling approaches, it's becoming increasingly evident that the Republicans feel emboldened to draw lines in the sand while the Democ...
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Mike Rock
Right wingers, prepare to lose debate.
07:02 PM on 07/05/2011
CANCEL ALL DEBT OWED TO REPUBLICAN BANKERS.
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11:30 PM on 07/03/2011
Shards of glass to Grover Norquist and Mitch McConnell is code for 'political equity' for the disadvantaged and economic underclass. Want some political equity with that? No. No. No every time. Norquist was born wealthy and remains wealthy. McConnell is worth about 32 million and would like more. He enjoys oil company support and wouldn't you know has a 100% voting record in favor of oil companies. He'd hate like hell to ruin that record by ending their subsidies. Credit to Obama for succeeding at passing some measure of healthcare reform, but his concern for acheiving a Lincolnesque legacy has made him ineffective in just about every other area of 'changing the way government works'. We are still being spied upon, detainees are still in Guantanamo, the people who wrecked the economy are still in their positions to do it again. With the exception of Afganistan, we still only provide military support and protection for citizens of oil producing countries. Candidate Obama said if anyone tries to take down the unions, he'd be right there on the picket line. Republicans are unabashedly attacking unions at the state level and I've not heard one word of defense for unions from President Obama. Third party candidates are unelectable, and damage the chances of electing the lesser of two evils, so I'll vote for him again, but not for any promises he makes, but to vote against the greater of two evils.
11:48 AM on 07/03/2011
Here is a clue for Obama, go back to Chicago.. please.. you suck.
10:22 AM on 07/01/2011
November 2010 elections have shown us that the Repubs were not about job creation at all.It now shows it is all about breaking down the middle class voters.Workers against workers, destroying medicare and Social security and turning those systems into the hands Private Providers.Health For Sale... just as with the high cost of perscription drugs where people have to Buy or Die.and to think those drug companies get Tax breaks and subsities.
10:05 AM on 07/01/2011
Democrats stand your ground you are too kind to these Repubs.. Don't give in as you have in the past. Feeding snakes will only have them biting you more..... they only have a single obective.... and that is to have this Country fail while President Obama is in office.They are heavily financed by The Wealthy that have no allegiance to America... their vision of loyalty is blinded by Greed!
12:46 AM on 07/01/2011
The GOP plan to refuse new revenues is counter-intuitive and it will never resonate with the public.

The public isn't interested in the debt ceiling or the deficit. Between 16% and 25% of them are seriously interested in making enough money to pay off their own debts. They'd say, "To hell with the fluff talk. Let the privileged class talk all they want. I don't care. I want a real job." They want jobs that pay well when the per capita and disposable incomes of the low 95% of us continues to plummet.

It's a power and money grab, folks, and it's OUR pockets that are being picked.
09:13 PM on 06/29/2011
So . . . How's that 2010 November election results looking now? Just asking.
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jkanon
A pragmatic progressive
06:26 PM on 06/29/2011
Let's go 50/50 - 1.4 trillion in cuts and 1.4 trillion in revenue enhancments. Everyone needs to contribute, even the rich.
05:04 PM on 06/29/2011
Professor Beck is on now for his last 2 shows. Yes Liscen and learn, it is an Opinion show, it won't kill you.
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Paul Oates
Country Loving Democrat
10:35 AM on 06/30/2011
Liscen??
Wow!
12:51 AM on 07/01/2011
Why should I give a rat's pellet what that circus barker says. He fooled you and millions of others into turning on his show so he could end up a millionaire celebrity.

Beck is the sign of the new Dark Ages. He won't go away.
04:58 PM on 06/29/2011
Where has Mr. McConnell been the last 10 years. Taxes have been cut to the lowest since the 1950s. If that was going to create jobs we should be seeing full employment. You can not continue to balance the budget on the backs of the middle class. Where is the shared sacrifice. Mr. President stand your ground and insist on closing the loop holes and giveaways to big corporations in the tax code.
12:26 AM on 07/01/2011
You'll be hard pressed to not think of McConnell as a rock-headed, well, turtle, unable to comprehend beyond the purpose of folding toilet paper when he's ready to wipe. On the other hand, there are two other possible motivations for his bizarreness.

First, he could be true to his destructive ideals and won't budge because his beliefs trump reality.

Or, he could be hellbent on destroying the federal government and the Constitution, and cause the US to become functionally, a corporately-owned collection of marketing regions. Do not discount this possibility. The maneuvers that GOP governors have been making in some states resonates with the Congressional GOP's votes and obstructions. Those states are truly acting to dismantle government and destroy the public sector. While every state may not succeed, these fascists are in it for the long haul. They'll keep pushing until they are forced into retreat.

Obama's a throwback to a time when there was comity in Congress, and it was possible to relax with the opposition. Obama, in these times, is showing himself to be blind to the true motivations of his opposition. He's not in touch with reality.

The GOP wants to annihilate him.

Obama views this as politics-as-usual.

It isn't.
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realpolitic
Proud member of the reality-based community!
04:37 PM on 06/29/2011
Reagan Budget Director Stockman: "It Is Simply Unrealistic To Say That Raising Revenue Isn't Part Of The Solution." From Mellman's June 28 The Hill op-ed:
President Reagan's budget director, David Stockman, knows raising revenue must be an essential component of any fiscal cure. "It is simply unrealistic to say that raising revenue isn't part of the solution. It's a measure of how far off the deep end Republicans have gone with this religious catechism about taxes," says Stockman, one of the biggest budget cutters of all time. [The Hill, 6/28/11]

http://www.mediamatters.com/research/201106290015
05:08 PM on 06/29/2011
realpolitic, go to www.miseryindex.com and look at Regan and you can see how well stockman did. The look at Obama. You can see the difference.
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realpolitic
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05:28 PM on 06/29/2011
Stockman agrees with Obama and not with Republicans about raising revenues.
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dmsdzinr
Progression wit a twist of sarcasm.
04:35 PM on 06/29/2011
No Shards of Glass? You mean except for the one's in McConnell's backside. THOSE are going to really hurt when he sits down in defeat.
04:02 PM on 06/29/2011
If the corporate owned republican teabaggers hate social security and medicare so much, there is no-one forcing them to use it. They can just pay for their health care on their own and not charge their medicare account at all even though it's there. As for social security they can just send the money back to the government. This is called putting your money where your mouth is, how many of you baggers are going to take me up on this fine offer? It seems that all I can hear is crickets!
12:58 AM on 07/01/2011
Your proposal won't fly because baggers see themselves as a privileged lot joined at the hip with the notion that fairness can only go so far. There likely are no Baggers who are in their early or mid-60s and using Medicare, and who see no problem with having Medicare for them, but not for their offspring.
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Paul Oates
Country Loving Democrat
03:57 PM on 06/29/2011
The absolute nerve of Republicans is amazing! McConnell has the gall to JUST focus on the last 2 years... What about the 8 years prior?
Facts:
-- The taxes we're arguing about are not some wild increase. We're talking taking them back to a time of prosperity… the 90’s
-- His team took us into 2 unpaid for / off the books wars
-- They created only 3 million jobs over 8! Yes 8 years
-- Oh, and it was his wife, Former Labor Sec. Elaine Chow who was running the Labor Dept during those slow failed years
-- Clinton leave office 200 billion dollar surplus
-- Bush leave office 1.2 Trillion dollar deficit

The Bush presidency, NOT the Obama presidency failed us.

Mr. President, today you drew a line in the sand… Let’s hope you meant it.
11:50 AM on 07/03/2011
What line?

The budget has 96% budget cuts and almost NO REVENUE at ALL?

The poor and middle class are burdened in this deal, not the ultra rich or those making at least a million per year.. they get no pain, all of it goes on the middle class in medicare and medicaid cuts..

so what Fing line did Obama draw?
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Paul Oates
Country Loving Democrat
12:31 PM on 07/03/2011
First:
Calm Down!
Next:
We're talking the Debt Ceiling negotiations, not the Full Budget negotiations.

My point is the break the republicans ‘No New Taxes’ mantra. That’s the F’ing line I’m talking about.

Try and keep up gurl… We’re on the same side.
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procrustes13
03:43 PM on 06/29/2011
Send McConnell to Gitmo!