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Airplanes May Cause Extra Rain Near Some Airports, New Study Reveals

Airplane Rain

By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID   06/30/11 06:19 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON -- The planes make rain that wets airport terrain.

Airplanes flying through super-cooled clouds around airports can cause condensation that results in more snow and rain nearby, according to a new study.

The correct conditions for this inadvertent weather modification occur about 5 percent of the time – but 10-to-15 percent in winter – according to Andrew J. Heymsfield of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., lead author of the study appearing in Friday's edition of the journal Science.

Aircraft take off into the wind, he noted, so if they are generating extra ice particles upwind of an airport, the result can be snow right on the airport. That might mean planes will require more de-icing, he said, though other researchers weren't so sure.

The team was investigating holes or canals that are sometimes seen drilled in clouds after an airplane has passed through.

Studying six commercial airports, they found that increased snow and rainfall occurs in areas where the unusual cloud holes appear, usually within 60 miles of the airport. Places farther away from an airport are more likely to be at higher altitudes, above the clouds.

The added rain or snowfall occurred when conditions in the clouds were super-cooled. That means the clouds were made up of water droplets that were colder than freezing, but which had not yet frozen.

Water in the atmosphere can remain liquid at temperatures below freezing if it doesn't have any type of nucleus to freeze onto, such as bits of dust or salt. It will freeze without a nucleus when it gets very cold, however – about minus 40 degrees.

It turns out, when an airplane passes through one of these clouds the movement of air around the tips of the propeller, or over the wings of a jet, causes a sudden cooling of the air, sometimes down to the critical point where the droplets freeze. They then can fall to earth as snow or rain, depending on whether or not the air is warm enough to melt them on the way down.

But that still did not explain why the holes and canals can be so wide, much larger than the narrow airplane passing through the clouds.

So they used a computer model to study what was happening, and found that heat released when the water freezes warms the air around it, causing the air to move upward at the center of the hole and spreading out to move downward at the edges.

Chris Westbrook of the University of Reading in England, said what is new in this study is that use of a computer model to study the reaction of the cloud to this process, in particular the effect on the air motion around the hole.

Westbrook, who has done similar research but was not part of this team, said that finding differs from what has been seen in England, "so this is certainly still an area of uncertainty and active study. It may perhaps be that the air circulation reverses in the later stages of the hole's evolution."

Understanding these processes, Westbrook added, can "give us some insight into the basic science of how clouds work, how the microscopic processes of tiny ice crystals and droplets interact with the large-scale air motion which drives the clouds, and how the seeds of precipitation are sown."

Kenneth Sassen, of the University of Alaska Fairbanks, said the report adds detail to a phenomenon that has been noted before.

"This is an interesting effect of aircraft penetrating super-cooled water clouds, and illustrates the basic result when ice and super-cooled water get mixed together, but I doubt that in more than a handful of cases could airports, or the surrounding areas, experience any problems," said Sassen, who was not part of the research team.

Airports studied by Heymsfield's team were London Heathrow, Frankfurt, Paris Charles De Gaulle, Seattle-Tacoma, Chicago O'Hare and Yellowknife, Northwest Territories, Canada; plus Byrd Station in Antarctica.

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AndyWright68
Freedom is inevitable!
08:31 PM on 07/02/2011
Research: Chemtrails.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psdg3OAw_a8

Know all the info from all sides before you formulate an opinion.
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Moose Luck 99
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09:24 AM on 07/02/2011
HEY DUMMIES ITS CALLED AN AEROSOL CRIME!!!

Aerosol Crimes by Clifford E. Carnicom

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ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
05:10 AM on 07/07/2011
It's really called fluid mechanics. But, enjoy the show.

Psst... just a friendly warning - dontcha think the NSA are watching for chemtrail suspects on youtube? Stay safe now y'all.
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08:01 AM on 07/02/2011
Are these jet airplanes emitting something more sinister, as they criss-cross the planet? And if they are, why?

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Alwayspissedoffatsomeone
Liberalism = Stultification of the Brain
09:45 PM on 07/01/2011
In other words they are stating that airplanes are bad and should banned. That's # 1,025,8997,369 on their list of items to be eliminated, right after snow cone machines and Q-Tips.
05:24 PM on 07/01/2011
"...heat released when the water freezes warms the air around it" Excellent observation and it's also true that heat is released when water vapor first condenses into liquid droplets as well when clouds form.

And where did that heat come from you ask? Well it came directly from water heated up on the ground evaporated by the Sun. Was THAT heat impeded or affected in anyway by CO2 or any other greenhouse gas on its way up to 10 to 40 thousand feet before it condensed (or condensed and then froze)? NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST!

Is this fact of outgoing heat of evaporation short-cutting past more than half the mass of the atmosphere below it (and even more of the heavier greenhouse gases) considered by climate models used by the IPCC? I don't think so; according to them there is a radiation imbalance and earth is storing up heat ~somewhere~ that they are yet unable to find.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
03:57 AM on 07/02/2011
"water vapor first condenses into liquid droplets as well when clouds form." Please explain the difference between water vapor condensing into liquid droplets and cloud formation.

The heat comes from the motion of the air molecules, most of which are not water. It comes from the bulk temperature of the air in which the clouds forms.

Sunlight hardly interacts with CO2. CO2 interacts with infrared radiation from the ground. It's the way molecular roll, or in this case shake. There is no radiation imbalance. There is a temperature increase at the surface: just as when a person puts on a thicker sweater, the outer surface of the sweater remains at the same, but the inner surface warms.

You certainly are your namesake's intellectual child.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
04:55 AM on 07/02/2011
Paragraph 2 - oops no it doesn't. Is it the motion of the air molecules. It comes from releasing the van der waals binding energy of the water in the droplets.
09:41 AM on 07/04/2011
I didn't imply that there was any difference - I was differentiating between the two changes of state with one being from gas to liquid and the other from liquid to solid. (Recognizing of course that, depending on the circumstances there is sometimes no liquid phase at all.) I admit is wasn't well written but I'm an engineer not Shakespeare.

Infrared from the ground is PRECISELY what I'm talking about! Whatever energy goes into evaporating water on the ground represents an amount of heat that did NOT have radiate back into space all the way from ground level as infrared but instead went up adiabatically from the surface to an altitude where it condensed before releasing its heat energy thus BYPASSING ~1/2 of the atmosphere on the way up.

For the sake of alarmism you might want to consider shelving that sweater analogy because it's correct and demonstrates that IF increasing CO2 was actually causing global temperatures to increase then we would see a hot spot in the mid troposphere and... no hot spot has been detected.
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11:00 AM on 07/01/2011
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bryan broome
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08:58 AM on 07/01/2011
"The correct conditions for this inadvertent weather modification occur about 5 percent of the time"
So this is there coverup story for chemtrails. Lame.
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StAlphonso
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07:58 AM on 07/01/2011
Big deal. With enough $1 bills, I can make it rain at the Mons Venus any night of the week.
12:09 PM on 07/05/2011
Shazam! Do you think those lap dances cause any bad emissions or "chem trails" on the finely upholstered chairs at the Mons?
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07:55 AM on 07/01/2011
I've been a pilot for a long time and I have seen airplanes precipitate fog out of a seemingly clear sky early in the morning. All it takes is the rare occasion of supersaturated air, no wind and no convective activity when the first airplane of the day takes off. The wing vortices generate just enough compression so that fog forms in the area above the runway and may cover the whole airport. The fog will dissipate quickly with any breath of wind or rising temperature.
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Donns
07:46 AM on 07/01/2011
I believe brother! Flying is anti-Jesus, except of course for Angels and others born with wings.
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07:43 AM on 07/01/2011
Some people read this stuff and believe it.

Seriously....some do.
07:46 AM on 07/01/2011
Some people don't understand meteorology, super saturation, or the fact that contrails are essentially cirrus clouds so they make up nonsense about "chemtrails" and display their ignorance.
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08:00 AM on 07/01/2011
Thanks for the morning laugh. Seriously, thank you.
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08:03 AM on 07/01/2011
Those folks who think that jet engines are spewing "chemtrails" in the upper atmosphere are pretty much at a loss to explain why piston engines do exactly the same thing, going all the way back to the WWI era.
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SamSeven
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06:33 AM on 07/01/2011
Gee whiz could it be from geo-engineering by the US government.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
07:21 AM on 07/01/2011
No, vortex core cooling.

If the guvernmint was using airyplanes to punch sinister holes in our clouds, they'd ban winglets which reduce the effect.

But..... watch out...... them europeans are really stirring stuff up with their A400M. That's a lot of blade tip vortices for ya. Keep it under your tinfoil hat ;{)
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alexjones1
07:26 AM on 07/01/2011
Your government loves you, nothing to see here, just move along.
07:47 AM on 07/01/2011
Your name says it all.
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MajorKong
If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally
06:01 AM on 07/01/2011
Oh boy. THIS ought to bring the conspiracy buffs out in force.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
07:29 AM on 07/01/2011
I've not seen a truther yet, but there's HAARPists and chemtrailistas. Hopefully we might discover a new species.
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lightist
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04:42 AM on 07/01/2011
Yes, planes can make it rain and snow. But HAARP can do so so so much more as it's been showing. But nobody wants to look at pure evil in the eye. I'd say we're a bunch of scardy cats, but I have cats that'll stare back and fight stuff would make most unload in situ unable to even make a peep, though a lengthy peeeepeeee would accompany, no doubt.
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alexjones1
07:20 AM on 07/01/2011
The sheeple find comfort in their chains. They have become their security blanket.
07:51 AM on 07/01/2011
You call others sheeple yet you more than likely take AJ's claims as gospel. Do you know much about science or meteorology? All of the geo-engineering claims fall apart when any logical person reviews them. It is so funny when conspiracy nuts call people who disagree 'sheeple'. When you are ignorant of issues you will fall for whatever someone says based on your ideology or emotions. And we are the 'sheeple'?
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lightist
light as a photon, heavy as tungsten.
08:22 AM on 07/01/2011
alexjones1 - good name good game

Professor longhair below or above. Whatever. Well the bearded professor seems 'armed' with gospel according to some war-torn science factoids. Some catching up might help. But, picky wicky is not my thang except when it's flaunted on avatars like a shield.

Wait, I think I've got the all-purpose song for a sitch like this. Riffing off your sheeple, comfort, chains, security, blankets, and old science of crosses and nails 'n gad knows what. Never ceases to amaze me how handy PE is for all-purpose general messenging avec du funque, n'est pas?:

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ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
11:48 AM on 07/01/2011
I hesitate to ask, but what exactly has been shown, mr conspirator?
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MichaelMcKLA
I'm moving to Pandora.
03:05 AM on 07/01/2011
Interesting. I can tell you from direct observation that automobiles left for many hours in parking lots under LAX flight paths accumulate tiny drops of...some...liquid. And often without a cloud in the sky!
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lightist
light as a photon, heavy as tungsten.
04:44 AM on 07/01/2011
Is it clear? Or is it what falls on my car not far from there, and more the color of jet fuel dilute? Slight coffee or tea tinge to it.
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MichaelMcKLA
I'm moving to Pandora.
05:02 AM on 07/01/2011
I'm sure it's unburned jet fuel.