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Top Dems Seek To Paint Republicans As Irrational On Debt

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First Posted: 06/30/11 05:34 PM ET Updated: 08/30/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Democrats think they have a winning strategy in the deadlocked debt debate: casting Republicans as single-minded lunatics who will protect sweet tax rates for the rich at the expense of the nation.

That was the subtext -- indeed the outright claim, in some cases -- of various statements and strategies tried by Democratic senators Thursday in the high-stakes fight to raise the nation's debt ceiling.

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) have been adamant that revenues cannot be raised to help deal with the enormous budget gaps, insisting on trillions of dollars in cuts.

To make the point that it could be reasonable to talk about raising revenues, Democrats have highlighted tax breaks that most Americans will never get -- including write-offs for things like thoroughbred horses, yachts and jets.

To Democrats, the one-sided approach seems, well, a bit nutty.

"It is so apparently irrational to say, 'No revenues on the table,'" said Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.).

"We've said cuts are on the table. In fact we've stood for them. I mean, they're mirror images," he said. "How irrational would they think we are if we said, 'No cutting, just do revenues.' They'd say, 'Well you're being one-sided.'"

"Well," Schumer said, "the mirror image is exactly the same thing!"

Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) pointed to the controversial decision of House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) to abandon the debt talks over the revenue issue.

"He threw that hot potato over to John Boehner, and said 'Now it's your turn,'" Durbin said tartly. "If we can't bring revenue to the table, we're not going to have a serious conversation about dealing with this deficit."

Democrats also contrasted that tax stance with the stakes on not raising the debt limit, which numerous economists and business leaders have said would be profound.

"Playing games with this Aug. 2 deadline endangers this recovery," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.).

"I have never seen anything like what Republicans are willing to risk today in these budgetary negotiations and who they are willing to risk it all for," said Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), the head of the Democrats' Senate campaign team. She added that Republicans were playing "chicken with default."

"It seems like leader McConnell is willing to tank the economy for the sake of protecting tax breaks for oil companies, yachts, corporate jets," said Schumer, who has increasingly accused the Republicans of holding their cut-only position because they think it will hurt the economy and help their prospects in 2012.

"We don't need any more stunts," Schumer said. "We need a willingness on both sides to give a little. We've given a lot. The vice president has said more than a trillion dollars in cuts have already been identified, and that would put us far down the road towards an agreement. The question is how to make up the rest."

It's not the first time Democrats have seen insanity in the GOP debt stance. But Republicans' strategy wasn't all that different, with senators suggesting Democrats and the president are the ones with dangerous mania.

"What I'd like to briefly address today is what seems to me to be an obsession on the part of the president to raise taxes," said Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) in a floor speech Thursday. "In fact, he is so fixed on this -- it is so important to him to raise taxes that he's willing to risk an economic crisis, knowing that Congress won't raise taxes as part of this debt ceiling increase."

"And we shouldn't," Kyl added. "Not because we're trying to protect somebody, but because higher taxes on an already weak economy would just make things worse."

With no thaw in the chilly rhetoric, Schumer still thought his side was doing OK, and said even though the past week has been rough, the GOP was getting the message.

"I think they are feeling the pressure," Schumer said. "This was not a wasted week in one very real sense: The issue of revenues was crystallized this week, the issue that there is intransigence on one side, saying 'no revenues,' was brought out strongly by the president yesterday and continues to be brought out by us."

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WASHINGTON -- Democrats think they have a winning strategy in the deadlocked debt debate: casting Republicans as single-minded lunatics who will protect sweet tax rates for the rich at the expense of ...
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BeVeryAfraid 02:10 PM on 07/01/2011
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Madmiddle
Vermonter
10:38 PM on 07/04/2011
So, what the GOP is pushing for, is for working class people that don't slide into the category that gets them a tax break, as the ones that are going to be left with the burden of caring the economy through the depression that this country is in right now. This becomes slavery of a different color, in that working people of all persuasions will be the only ones giving in to the government. That is a GOP tactic that has got them booted out of office before and it will again, if people can just see what the hell the rich capitol hill folk are up to. The GOP is trying to ruin this country. They just don't care.
07:51 PM on 07/03/2011
It's time to call republicans out!!! The economy is slugglsh because the republicans are sadly fighting democrats to keep it that way. If true, it is cold, calculating, and unAmerican.

[Republicans' decision to block free-trade deals that they have previously supported is evidence that the GOP wants to hurt the economy to help its 2012 election chances, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) charged Friday]
08:55 PM on 07/02/2011
In short, Clinton left Bush a ten trillion dollar surplus which Bush promptly turned into a five trillion dollar deficit. A big part of it was tax breaks for the wealthy. Are we going to let the GOP do it all over again? Wake up folks.
sarabono
Oldie but Goody
12:07 PM on 07/02/2011
Yep. It is just so irrational for the Senate not to work on and pass a Budget Proposal for the last two years -- 792 days and counting.

Senator Reid, what were you thinking? This would have all been solved if you had worked on and passed a Budget.
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Madmiddle
Vermonter
10:39 PM on 07/04/2011
Only a rightie would see it that way.
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IntelligentDiscussion
Personal defamation is another way of conceding
11:01 AM on 07/02/2011
93% of small businesses file their taxes as personal income according to the 2010 IRS report, raising taxes on the "rich" is raising taxes on small businesses.
sarabono
Oldie but Goody
12:08 PM on 07/02/2011
And hurting job growth.
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Garyatty10
Attorney.CPA- Debunking GOP Myths
02:08 PM on 07/02/2011
You have no idea what you are talking about. 98 % of ALL small businesses make under 250,000. Stop the Fox talking points.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/oct/16/barack-obama/most-small-businesses-wont-be-subject-to-obamas-ta/
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becky bradshaw
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth
09:32 AM on 07/02/2011
There is a "method to the madness" of the Republicans.

"Mitch McConnell -- the Republican Senate Leader -- made it very clear at the end of last year that their major goal for this session of Congress is to defeat Barack Obama in 2012 and take over both Houses of Congress. And there is no question that the most important key to President Obama's reelection is an improving economy.

The Republican­s have absolutely no political interest in the creation of jobs in the American economy. The more unemployed Americans there are next November, the better for them." (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/are-republicans-trying-to_b_828189.html)
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new 10 ole ole
10:19 AM on 07/02/2011
by jove she got it!
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TheAntiOkie
Saying you're Christian doesn't prove anything
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becky bradshaw
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth
09:27 AM on 07/02/2011
Karl Rove?
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Alwayswatchin
01:27 AM on 07/02/2011
I hate when Harry Reid starts "posing" on issues. Schumer just seemed to inuendo accusations. When will they as leaders of the Democratic side start instilling confidence by being confident. They know they are right but they don't seem to want to hurt their colleagues from the other side. They can speak truths and will find that their fellow Dems already know and will back them up, not necessarily in Congress because you can't trust anybody there to be truthful, but from us the people. We already knew what they are saying, and not saying, is true. We just are waiting for them to support the people that elected them. I miss Anthony Weiner's passion and Alan Grayson's smug cockiness, but they cared enough to make the weak tremble while they tried to spin stupidity. Call out the Republicans but do it wisely. The GOP has stepped in a lot of crap, it's all over their shoes, and it smells like hell. Just say it. Strange analogy, but everybody has been in a crowd where someone expelled an odor that reeks. Everybody smells it but won't say anything for fear everybody looks at them. I say you can't change what's been done or is being done, but you can point the finger at the culprit(s), just do it. That way you can weed them out.
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Garyatty10
Attorney.CPA- Debunking GOP Myths
02:09 PM on 07/02/2011
I agree. The Dems have no leadership in the Senate.
06:40 AM on 07/24/2011
You miss the "passion" of that unspeakably duplicitous hyper-partisan hack political PHONY, Anthony Weiner ? !

And you actually think that he, and the totally execrable Alan Grayson, "made the weak tremble" at that totally ludicrous pair's pathetically self-involved pompous grandstanding and pontificating ? !

OK, tremble WITH [entirely unsought for] LAUGHTER, sure, but that simply represented the absolute ENTIRETY of THAT !.
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OldGent
Alwayswatchin
07:39 PM on 07/24/2011
Tom, it took you a while to think about this one or maybe a long time to read it. I not only think Weiner and Grayson made the weak, OK Republicans, tremble I know they did. I know because of the intense concentrated efforts they afforded to directly have these men out of their lives. Yes, I know they contributed to their own demise, but they also revealed the GOP for what it was by using the spoken words of the GOP against themselves. If you noticed in reading my post, I don't think they were the way Congress should be run, but what they did was expose the GOP to their own type of rhetoric and disrespect, especially for the President. One doesn't have to agree with him to express when one believes he is wrong, but "The Office of POTUS" deserves the respect no matter who occupies it. This Republican Congress has been the most openly disrespectful and ignorant example to the youth of America on how to handle dislikes. They are acting like school children, and that is not laughable no matter what side of the aisle it comes from. The Dems had 2, the GOP has majority in more ways than one.
10:29 PM on 07/01/2011
BTW - the GOP campaigned on "jobs, jobs, jobs" Where are they?????????????? More evidence that they will throw the US under a bus in their quest for power!!!!!!!
10:28 PM on 07/01/2011
Lord, it's about time the Dems started showing the Republicans for what they are: bowing to their corporate masters. It is totally irresponsible to cut education funding, medicare and medicaid as well as Planned Parenthood all the while claiming they can't raise taxes on the wealthy because it's a "job killer." Hell, they've had tax breaks for 10 years and where are the jobs???? The GOP won't be happy until we are back in a Feudal system and everyone is begging for bread!
09:38 PM on 07/01/2011
Now that they have sworn off of earmarks, protecting tax breaks is the Regressive Party's new Congressional pork. It looks like those who are living high on the hog are going to get another themselves yet another hog!
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Michael J OConnell
Enduring curiosty and quest for rationality
09:14 PM on 07/01/2011
Let's face it. Most in congress are wealthy, run in wealthy circles and have wealthy donors. What the GOP wants is to achieve budget cuts without tax increases and then work for more tax breaks for the wealthy if and when the economy improves. These guys are not Americans they are leeches.
09:43 PM on 07/01/2011
I would really like to see some of these wealthy members of Congress try to do real work for a living. It would make a terrific reality series. Maybe Fox could bring back "The Simple Life" and feature the wealthiest members of Congress.
DoTheMath
We're outspent, but they're outnumbered
10:33 PM on 07/01/2011
Calling them "leeches' sounds so mean. How about "parasites?" Seriously, F&F.
08:14 PM on 07/01/2011
DEMS, Mr. Reid and Mr. Schumer are Correct. IThe GOP Stance is "Irrational".

If Breathing Carbon Monoxide were an illegal drug, everyone in the GOP Congress would be under arrest!

The DEMS Stick to your "Guns"!
Force the GOP Crabs to "Blink"!
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scorpioman
The Naked Truth
07:35 PM on 07/01/2011
when are the dems gonna grow some EFFIN BALLS?
DoTheMath
We're outspent, but they're outnumbered
10:39 PM on 07/01/2011
That development could be exactly what we're witnessing now. Let's encourage it: http://sanders.senate.gov/petition/?uid=c1fd7f9b-abd8-4e7a-a370-1867881259d8
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Sharon Corcoran
11:14 PM on 07/01/2011
as soon as their base does- When the base shows up and demands change it will happen- As soon as the base gets what the Repubs have been doing and they stop the bickering among ourselves and stand strong instead of splitting apart- our power is when we unite and show up-Lets do it- Do not let anything stop us- show up or the rallies- phone banks- donate so they don't have to depend on the mega corporations-
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SnootMama
Dog is great, beer is good and people are crazy
05:21 PM on 07/01/2011
Republicans ARE irrational! So are Democrats! They're all a bunch of bloodsucking, lying sacks of the stuff my dogs leave in the yard.
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Dosadi
Political agnostic
06:00 PM on 07/01/2011
LOL!

Stop mincing your words and say what you really mean.
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Sharon Corcoran
11:16 PM on 07/01/2011
Democrats are not irrational-They have given in to the Repubs irrational demands for too long- They have to stand up for their base- That's what the Repubs claim that the American people want this or that- Well the Democrats represent the American people who want the opposite of the TP- How can the Dems be rational when you have a party that want's to destroy your party-