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Obama, Boehner Held Secret Debt Ceiling Meeting Over July 4 Weekend

Obama Boehner Debt Ceiling Talks

JIM KUHNHENN and ANDREW TAYLOR   07/ 6/11 10:07 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — Republicans showed new signs of flexibility to break a budget impasse Wednesday, but the White House raised the ante – pushing for more deficit reduction and taking a pugnacious tone casting the GOP as defenders of corporate tax giveaways.

The repositioning by both sides appeared to open new compromise possibilities a day before President Barack Obama was set to host the bipartisan congressional leadership for new talks on the budget. The secret negotiations were gaining new urgency because they are tied to an Aug. 2 deadline to raise the government's borrowing authority.

First, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., declared he was open to closing tax loopholes that the White House says are wasteful and ineffective and that would generate some money toward reducing deficits over the long term.

Democratic officials, in turn, said President Barack Obama wants far more deficit reduction than the $2 trillion over 10 years that for weeks has been the target for budget negotiators. Obama in April proposed deficit reduction of $4 trillion over 12 years and White House spokesman Jay Carney said Wednesday that goal remained "something to aspire to."

But even as White House officials expressed confidence that negotiations ultimately would succeed, Obama took a combative approach ahead of Thursday's meeting.

"The debt ceiling should not be something that is used as a gun against the heads of the American people to extract tax breaks for corporate jet owners or oil and gas companies that are making billions of dollars," Obama said during a town hall that featured questions posed through the online social network Twitter.

The president was referring to existing tax benefits that allow corporate jets to depreciate faster than commercial jets and to tax subsidies available to energy corporations. Obama has proposed ending both as part of an effort to reduce deficits with new tax revenue.

Obama's remarks – one of his harshest of the budget debate – sounded especially dissonant coming less than two hours after Cantor had indicated Republicans were amenable to some discussions about taxes.

"If the president wants to talk loopholes, we'll be glad to talk loopholes," Cantor said. He added that any revenues raised from closing such loopholes "should be coupled with offsetting tax cuts somewhere else."

Cantor's comments reflected important, if nuanced, flexibility by Republicans. His earlier position was that closing loopholes should wait for a comprehensive overhaul of the tax code.

In the Senate, Republican leader Mitch McConnell appeared to douse the idea. "To sort of cherry pick items in the context of this current negotiation at the White house strikes me as pretty challenging," he said.

But Republican Sen. John McCain voiced support for ending corporate tax breaks as well as ethanol and agricultural subsidies in exchange for lower rates for businesses.

"The distorting effect of subsidies is clearly evident in the energy sector," McCain said. "We should eliminate these subsides, lower the corporate tax rate, and allow the marketplace to pick winners and losers, not the government."

It is unclear, however, whether Congress and the administration could undertake such an overhaul in the limited time available to negotiate a deal.

Obama in the past has called for a "revenue neutral" revamping of corporate taxes, meaning that the changes would not result in new money for the government. But Obama's calls for curtailing oil and tax subsidies and ending some tax-friendly inventory accounting practices, proposed as part of the budget talks, are designed to raise new tax revenue, not lower corporate rates.

Until now, the talks have centered on reducing the deficit over 10 years by roughly the same amount it would take to raise the debt ceiling over two years - a formula initially proposed by House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio., as a minimum goal for an agreement. Boehner himself has insisted on greater reductions than the amount of the debt ceiling increase.

Democratic officials familiar with the budget talks said Obama believes it would be easier to win bipartisan support in the House and Senate for a deal that embraces a larger number, closer to the $4 trillion over 12 years that he proposed in April.

The officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the delicacy of the talks, said the precise number was still in flux, but said Obama would be making the case for more, rather than less deficit reduction, in his discussions with congressional leaders on Thursday.

In taking new public stances, Republicans and the White House also were reacting to political circumstances. The Wall Street Journal, whose opinion pages are generally friendly to Republicans, published an editorial Wednesday that the tax breaks targeted by Obama "will be hard for Republicans to defend."

Republicans, on the other hand, had taken the lead in demanding higher deficit reduction, a stance that was proving popular with the public. By calling for an even bigger number, the White House appeared to be seeking to neutralize that advantage.

"The president believes, we believe, that there are enough members of both parties in both houses who support the idea that a big deal has to be balanced and therefore include spending cuts in the tax code," Carney said.

The assertion reinforced and expanded on Obama's comments Tuesday that back-channel talks with congressional leaders last weekend made progress in advance of Thursday's talks. But Carney cautioned that no final deal should be expected.

Obama, in his Twitter town hall Wednesday, pushed aside a question over whether he would use the 14th Amendment to raise the debt ceiling by executive order, a suggestion floated by some Democrats.

The amendment states: "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

Obama said: "I don't think we should even get to the constitutional issue. Congress has a responsibility to make sure we pay our bills. We've always paid them in the past. The notion that the United States would default on its debt is just irresponsible."

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WASHINGTON — Republicans showed new signs of flexibility to break a budget impasse Wednesday, but the White House raised the ante – pushing for more deficit reduction and taking a pugnacio...
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stopthemadness69 02:31 PM on 07/06/2011
Does boehner even know where the 35% tax bracket starts right now? It starts at over 370k in TAXABLE income. If you have over 370k in TAXABLE income after all deductions and write-offs, first of all, you made much more than that 370k and you are not what most americans think of as a small business. The koch brothers are a small business too according to the tax code, so are many doctors and lawyers and  Read More...
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McAttorney
Speak softly and have a great schtick
01:49 PM on 07/10/2011
Obviously the Trolls posting odes to the wealthy have never really known any of the "millionaires" they so ardently defend.
The wealthy of both the Left and Right do have one thing in common. They laugh at the Trolls and will do anything they can to avoid having to associate with them and their Troll children. To the Corporate Overlords Trolls are just the unwashed, uneducated, uncouth, low income rabble who currently serve their interests with blind obedience and will be tolerated only so long as they are useful to them. Welcome to your future Trolls - indentured servitude.
Helloise
Healthy skeptic admires reason, trusts intuition
03:44 PM on 07/10/2011
That is so true. If they only knew how they were mocked at private events and dinners, they'd be, at the least embarrassed, if not furious. As it is, they apparently imagine the identification and worship is mutual. It's like upstairs/downstairs if the servants were deaf, dumb and blind instead of on to their employer's foibles.
12:52 PM on 07/08/2011
With a majority against the Obama agenda and a mandate by the majority to reverse healthcare "reform", open Geithners books, and reverse all TARP and "stimulus" obligations how does his agenda move forward? The answer is traitor Boehner. The trojan horse is exactly that-not out in the open.
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itzfatcat
Conservative voter – Small Gov FOOTPRINT
10:58 PM on 07/07/2011
Well, Obama believes it would be easier to win bipartisan support in the House and Senate for a deal that embraces a larger number, closer to the $4 trillion over 12 years that he proposed in April. Well Republicans give it to him and watch him back peddle. You know this is a ploy. Better yet both sides get real and do what they are elected and paid to do. All of this is getting very old.
07:16 AM on 07/07/2011
REMOVAL OF CORPORATE JETS????? DOES THAT MEAN AL GORE WILL HAVE TO LIVE AT THE STANDARD HE WANTS THE REST OF US AT FROM THE PRETENSE OF GLOBAL WARMING??????? AND WE NEED TO GET SOME OF HIS JOY RIDES STOPPED IN AIR FORCE ONE,,,,,,,,DOES HE PLAN ON USING AIR FORCE ONE FOR HIS CAMPAIGNING THIS COMING YEAR??????? IF SO THAT IS FAIR TO THE TAX PAYERS WHO ARE NOT VOTING FOR HIM
07:17 AM on 07/07/2011
CORRECTION (((((THAT IS NOT FAIR))))))
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ZeraLee
A Citizen's View from Main Street
06:37 AM on 07/07/2011
"If the president wants to talk loopholes, we'll be glad to talk loopholes," said House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va. Cantor added that any revenues raised from closing such loopholes "should be coupled with offsetting tax cuts somewhere else."

Eric, Eric, Eric. Please try to remember that *officially*, you are supposed to be trying to reduce the deficit - not shuffle paper. Revenue neutral = no affect on deficit = reduction failure.
Stop rallying around failure, Eric.
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fiddler3
physicist, musician, parent
11:37 AM on 07/07/2011
Eric's point is that the problem is with the spending, not the revenues. But if the Dems insist on discussing taxes, he thinks that is okay but does not think tax increases should be used to offset a spending problem.

Do not confuse the rhetoric around deficit reduction with the intent of the Republicans (including Cantor) to accomplish spending reduction.
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ZeraLee
A Citizen's View from Main Street
09:11 PM on 07/07/2011
Taxes are at historic lows, too low for a country engaged in two wars. We have a serious revenue problem, unless your goal is to cripple government for the people and surrender our sovereignty to unelected corporate entities that bear no responsibility whatsoever to this country or it's people.

Don't worry, I am not about to confuse their disingenuous efforts to balance the budget on the backs of consumers with their greater plan to push the economy off the cliff with job-killing austerity.

The Democrats remember what the republicans have forgotten: the supply-and-demand economic model requires a consumer with financial resources in order to work. The supply-side is sitting on over $1T dollars, just waiting for consumers to start spending more. Meanwhile, conservatives are doing everything they can to crush the economic resources of consumers. It is economic suicide born of a fanatic devotion to an economic ideology without regard to it's limitations.
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mdmccormick
I am tired of this BS
03:30 AM on 07/07/2011
show of flexibility?

Either use the 14th or let them crash the credit rating of the US, but to wast anymore time talking to these traitors is BS.
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innerpuppie
The truth is an absolute defense...
01:48 AM on 07/07/2011
The ONLY reason the GOP is yielding a bit on eliminating tax loopholes is because OBAMA OFFERED SOCIAL SECURITY AS THE SACRIFICIAL LAMB. I am so totally disgusted with our president. I will NEVER give him my vote again. I don't care what he says or how he spins this bending over for the GOP - I will NEVER vote for him again. Harry Reid had better stick to his guns or all of us will be under the bus with no hope of ever seeing the light of day again.
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lmab
01:15 AM on 07/07/2011
Boehner will surely need lipstick remover.
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notakochdealer
Tpublicans robbing kids of EDUCATION and futures.
10:59 PM on 07/06/2011
CAN'TOR need's to keep out of grown up politics.
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Veganie
Live food, live bodies
10:13 PM on 07/06/2011
Have you lied about the pronunciation of your name, we can read English, were you also pretending to cry.
tjdwill01
more than distance divides Austin and Boston
10:00 PM on 07/06/2011
Obama 2006,
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
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LogicMonger
Co-Conspirator In The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
11:11 PM on 07/06/2011
and the liberals thought the American people forgot about that little sound bite.
12:54 AM on 07/07/2011
if you get into the issue of soundbites, no politician currently in office would be able to get away with their current statements.
09:42 PM on 07/06/2011
Let those guys either pay fully for their own jets or fly with the rest of us. What? They don't like the pat downs? But good enough for the rest of us huh? In view of the practices these corporations have used to make money around the world, one wonders how much their activities have contributed to hatred of the US around the world. Oh well, it doesn't matter. While we taqke pat downs, our tax money subsidizes their fly everywhere, no pat-downs for these guys, jets.
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jfbuf
people are corporations too
08:59 PM on 07/06/2011
I can almost hear Boehner crying and telling Obama, what am I suppose to do, I don't want to lose my new job, help me.
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lmab
01:17 AM on 07/07/2011
I can hear Obama saying...."That's all you want......I can give you much more.....I always negotiate from a position of weakness."
sarabono
Oldie but Goody
08:55 PM on 07/06/2011
If Huff Po says it is "Secret", why does Huff Po know about it?

Looks like the White House has a "transparency leak".
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LogicMonger
Co-Conspirator In The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
11:12 PM on 07/06/2011
As transparent as it's ever been....
08:29 PM on 07/06/2011
note to Obama, stop having these secret closed door meeting with the GOP...let us know what is going on....transparency in government....