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First Posted: 07/ 6/2011 10:30 am Updated: 09/ 5/2011 6:12 am

HuffPost Update: The FDIC approved a rule Wednesday that allows regulators to claw back up to two years of Wall Street executives' pay if they are found responsible for the collapse of a major financial firm.



WASHINGTON (Dave Clarke) - Banks and other large financial companies that could be seized and liquidated by the government are balking at a proposed plan they argue gives regulators too much power to snatch back executives' pay if their institutions fail.

The plan is part of a broader proposal first issued earlier this year. A final rule is expected to be adopted on Wednesday by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.

The 2010 Dodd-Frank financial oversight law gives regulators the ability to recoup up to two years of pay from executives considered substantially responsible for a company's failure as part of regulators' power to seize large financial firms on the brink of failure.

Banking groups are complaining that the regulators are going too far in interpreting who is "substantially responsible" and are not setting clear standards for when executive pay should be recouped.

"Vague and arguably unfair provisions would create powerful incentives for senior executives and directors with the best options to head for the exits at the first sign of trouble, lest a substantial portion of their compensation be at risk," top banking groups including the American Bankers Association, The Clearing House and the Financial Services Roundtable wrote regulators in May.

The groups argue that an institution's failure could be due to market conditions outside of a company's control and that should be reflected more in the rule.

The clawback provision was inserted into the law in response to public anger that banking and Wall Street executives at firms such as American International Group were being paid handsomely despite mistakes that helped bring about the 2007-2009 financial crisis.

There is some sympathy among regulators for the banks' complaints.

Acting Comptroller of the Currency John Walsh and acting Office of Thrift Supervision Director John Bowman, both FDIC board members, expressed concern when the rule was first released that the clawback provision may be too broad.

Walsh said he was concerned the provision was tied too tightly to job titles as opposed to what actions specific executives took.

But regulators and politicians, for the most part, have had little sympathy for complaints about executive pay restrictions at a time when unemployment is high and the economy is still weak. The final rule is not expected to be much different from the proposal released in March.

The pay provision is part of a broader rule governing the pecking order of which creditors will be paid first during a liquidation, which the FDIC would run.

Banks with more than $50 billion in assets and large non-bank financial firms that the government designates as being important to the smooth running of financial markets are subject to the new liquidation regime. Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase and Morgan Stanley are among the big financial houses expected to fall under the regime.

Also on Wednesday, the FDIC is expected to discuss a proposal for how large financial firms should draft "living wills," which are intended to provide a roadmap for how they can be broken up if they fail.

The rule governing these plans is being written by the FDIC and the Federal Reserve.

Last week, FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair told reporters that a final rule may not be ready for a vote on Wednesday as regulators iron out differences. An initial proposal was released in April.

Bair is stepping down as FDIC chairman on Friday after five years heading the agency.

(Reporting by Dave Clarke; Editing by Tim Dobbyn)

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01:23 AM on 07/08/2011
Clawbacks? Where are the prosecutions ? ? ? ? ?

The top 2% are doing well. Main Street not so much.
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madinpahuff
Domari Nolo
10:07 AM on 07/07/2011
But, but, but, but....(yes, I like 4 buts) aren't they "too big to fail"? All joking aside, I'd urge everyone to put on their thinking caps for a bit and consider the real ramifications of government shaping our economy - not a great batting average. I know, I know, this is a very particular situation since nobody asked me/us for my money to hand over to these greedy slime molds, however - Where is the line & when does it stop? Personally, I'm for much harsher treatment of these speculators, but I can't explain them aloud. In the future, what will the exact constitution of our government telling what we/they can or can't do? I don't believe it's as cut & dry as I'd like it to be. A dangerous precedent can be set forth before our very eyes. †
Mike Rock
Right wingers, prepare to lose debate.
01:32 PM on 07/07/2011
Wrong. Government does quite well with economics. Why does Medicare/Medicaid have about a 4% overhead while your beloved "private" sector health insurance have almost 20% overhead?
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madinpahuff
Domari Nolo
01:51 PM on 07/07/2011
To whom is something "beloved"? Drawing absolute conclusions from what I authored above is absurd - as is your response. †
08:48 AM on 07/07/2011
Check out, http://rt.com/programs/keiser-report/, for more about these financial terrorists...
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igotbanned6
What's right is right
10:07 AM on 07/07/2011
Yeah, that communist propaganda is indeed fact. LOL

No wonder Liberals are so ignorant and against capitalism.
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meanlady21
12:46 PM on 07/07/2011
Give the "liberal comments"' a rest. it's the conservatives who ripped off this country. i.e george Bush.
Mike Rock
Right wingers, prepare to lose debate.
01:32 PM on 07/07/2011
That's right. "Conservative" = Nazi, and if you're not wealthy enough never to have to work again, just wait: They will come for you.
08:46 AM on 07/07/2011
get those FINANCIAL JIHADISTS.
08:12 AM on 07/07/2011
Wow. What a surprize. Theives are mad when they don't get to keep what they steal.
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garymc8
We got OBL- not gop
03:19 AM on 07/07/2011
Greed is all they have
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katylab
cops have the best dope
01:52 AM on 07/07/2011
Wall Street criminals crashed the economy and destroyed the life savings of millions and were rewarded by a bail-out. Now they are upset that some of their exorbitant salaries might be diminished if they wreck their companies a second time.

Perhaps these bankers would prefer a nice jail sentence instead.
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bamboozled
01:08 AM on 07/07/2011
"Vague and arguably unfair provisions would create powerful incentives for senior executives and directors with the best options to head for the exits at the first sign of trouble, lest a substantial portion of their compensation be at risk."

GOOD.
a) these people should be paid for their ability to do their job (like the rest of us), not rewarded for their ability to shift the risk to others.

b) maybe this will get banks thinking twice about doling out massive options to any fat cat who can boost profits for a year or two, rather than sticking with the business for the long term.

Seriously, is this the ONLY BUSINESS IN THE WORLD where the ideas of what's fair and what's not are entirely out of Alice in Wonderland?
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danglines
11:15 PM on 07/06/2011
It is unfair, and the reedy bankers take advantage of the country. And the pols get rich.
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11:12 PM on 07/06/2011
From Nouriel Roubin

http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/roubini28/English
Gordon Gekko Reborn - Project Syndicate

"...greed cannot be controlled by any appeal to morality and values. Greed has to be controlled by fear of loss, which derives from knowledge that the reckless institutions and agents will not be bailed out. The systematic bailouts of the latest crisis – however necessary to avoid a global meltdown – worsened this moral-hazard problem. Not only were “too big to fail” financial institutions bailed out, but the distortion has become worse as these institutions have become – via financial-sector consolidation – even bigger. If an institution is too big to fail, it is too big and should be broken up.

Unless we make these radical reforms, new Gordon Gekkos – and Charles Ponzis – will emerge. For each chastised and born-again Gekko – as the Gekko in the new Wall Street is – hundreds of meaner and greedier ones will be born."
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oftenon
cartoons are the best explanation
11:02 PM on 07/06/2011
This would be an example of markets regulating themselves, wherein the marketplace actually had an apparatus of legitimate assessment and accountability. Wherein the government actually policed and enforced honest values, appraisals and dealings. Wherein the wholesale corruption of "independent" rating agencies S&P and Moody's got exposed for epic fraud, for starters.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
09:23 PM on 07/06/2011
The banksters are world class crocks and tyrants. Wake up.

James Madison 
"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over government­­s by controllin­­g money and it's issuance."

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquilit­y of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen­."
- Samuel Adams

"I believe that banking institutio­ns are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocrac­y that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs."
07:43 PM on 07/06/2011
Regulators do not have enough power, they need more especially in derivatives.

You want a friend in Washington? Get a dog. ....................Harry S. Truman , brainy quote.com
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07:18 PM on 07/06/2011
I want to hear much more of the word, "CLAW-BACKS" up till now the corporate media has been trying hard to ignore this legitimate term.
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08:17 PM on 07/06/2011
The return of money to which the recipient is judged to be not entitled is a recognized and familiar practice which may or may not legitimate, according to the particular case.

For instance: Irving Picard's demands of money from Madoff victims he judges to be "net winners" are clearly not legitimate (his nonce distinction between "net winners" and "net losers" has no legitimacy).

However, the return of Wall Street executives' income and bonuses when they are judged to be unearned - indeed, often apparently calculated in inverse proportion to achievement - is clearly legitimate.

What is not legitimate is the term "clawback," a heavily loaded word designed to enlist sympathy for the person upon whom the demands are made - and to make the regulating body making the demand appear predatory (claws being characteristically vicious features of predatory creatures).

Of course, the opposite is the case. These executives are not victims, but predators. The regulators not predators - they are acting on behalf of the victims.

And who are the victims? Why, we are, of course!
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Opinionated Lady
Buy American - Bring industry home
06:29 PM on 07/06/2011
The biggest financial houses, and the ones posters here are most angry about (JPMC, GM and MS), will not be affected by this rule. With Ds and Rs running to bail them out and courting theirr favor, they have little to worry about. Smoke and mirrors. At best this will apply to medium-sized banks and it will be difficult for regulators to prove guilt and succeed in clawing back comp.
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07:21 PM on 07/06/2011
So you are telling us it is hopeless?
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Opinionated Lady
Buy American - Bring industry home
10:07 PM on 07/06/2011
Well, with respect to this particular rule. Unless these instiitutions are closed or at least broken up, which is not probable in the current environment. Maybe that will happen with the next crash...