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Erica Jong Says Young Women Are Over Sex

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The Huffington Post   First Posted: 07/11/11 01:24 PM ET Updated: 09/10/11 06:12 AM ET

Is sex going out of style?

Yes, according to an op-ed from Erica Jong published in the New York Times over the weekend. Jong, author of the 1970's novel Fear of Flying and longtime proponent of women's sexual liberation, says kids today are "over" sex: While their mothers embraced the novelty of sexual freedom associated with the women's movement, young women today long for a more nostalgic, Betty Draper-esque return to conservative sexuality, motherhood, and monogamy.

Jong writes:

Just as the watchword of my generation was freedom, that of my daughter's generation seems to be control. Is this just the predictable swing of the pendulum or a new passion for order in an ever more chaotic world? A little of both. We idealized open marriage; our daughters are back to idealizing monogamy. We were unable to extinguish the lust for propriety.

While young women find real-life sex passe, Jong claims, they are increasingly finding other ways to sate their sexual desires. According to Jong, the tidal wave of the one-click sexual gratification that technology affords has only added force to the pendulum swing away from real-life, unbridled sexual passion. Within the safe confines of our computers and smart phones, we've discovered a "sterile way to have sex, electronically."

The Internet obliges by offering simulated sex without intimacy, without identity and without fear of infection. Risky behavior can be devoid of risk, unless of course you use your real name and are an elected official.

Jong says this "backlash against sex" has reared its head in politics, as well, as laws governing the availability of both contraception and abortion come under close scrutiny in many states. Apathy for the sexual liberation that the first wave of feminists fought so doggedly to attain, Jong writes, threatens to "destroy women's equality" altogether.

Oh, please, says Rosie Gray in the Village Voice. "Let us be clear: sex is not over, it is not "passe," and people are still having it. "Is eating passe? Is breathing passe? Is the New York Times' opinion content passe?" While Jong's "boilerplate" logic about the differences between generations of mothers and daughters holds together for a while, writes Gray, it misses the mark in that it fails to recognize that women are, indeed, having sex - and enjoying it. Maybe "we're not doused in patchouli, braless and rolling around in the mud with some hairy fellow at Woodstock‚ [but] people are having sex, the way people tend to do."

And young women aren't replacing real sex with visits to the .xxx pages of the Internet, writes Erin Gloria Ryan at Jezebel. "I've not yet met one woman in my age group who has divulged to me her extreme preference for internet porn and sexy texting, to the point that she's chosen to forego real sex," Ryan says. While younger women may enjoy the occasional OKCupid interaction or sexual SMS exchange, "Internet sexual interaction isn't an end in itself; it's a means to an end. It's a form of foreplay that hopefully culminates in actual sex."

What undermines Jong's "sex is over" claim most, Ryan says, is the reality that Jong's op-ed is based largely on observations taken from her 30-something friends, women far likelier to be removed from the sexually liberated mentality of women's twenty-something years and more taken with the concept of lasting relationships and, ultimately, motherhood:

People who are in their mid-30's and unmarried aren't put off by the idea of sex because they're bored with it; it's because dating is exhausting, and they've been doing it for the better part of two decades. Eventually, most of them would like to settle down with someone who understands them and doesn't annoy the shit out of them.

Young women today are having just as much sex -- if not more -- than their liberated mothers did, Ryan argues. But that's become the norm, not the exception to the rule. Liberated sex didn't stop being exciting -- it just stopped being news. "A lot more people paid attention to the space program when we were going to the moon for the first time," says Ryan.

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Is sex going out of style? Yes, according to an op-ed from Erica Jong published in the New York Times over the weekend. Jong, author of the 1970's novel Fear of Flying and longtime proponent of wo...
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08:36 AM on 08/28/2011
Erica Jong is an attention w-h-o-r-e.
01:57 AM on 08/26/2011
Well that was really funny. I am surprised anyone would make an article out it.

Young women (and young men) are very much even more aware of sex then ever. They also do it more for themselves these days. I am glad to see sex becoming less of a taboo in the USA. The USA is really has so many hang ups over sex, sexuality and the human body. Society does not need to exploit sex, gender, etc.. either. We exploit sex, gender, sexuality in way too many unhealthy ways. Gender, sex, sexuality and relationships I would hope should be a positive expressions of human beings, that is a challenge.

But the premise of Jong I think is way off.
05:02 PM on 08/21/2011
Jong You have your head in the sand this is only the start of a bigger sex wave: You say"Is sex going out of style?

Yes, according to an op-ed from Erica Jong published in the New York Times over the weekend. Jong, author of the 1970's novel Fear of Flying and longtime proponent of women's sexual liberation, says kids today are "over" sex:" No way the statistics show this is part of the trend of the masses; thank the right wing fanatic Christians that make this path in life unavoidable.
02:51 AM on 08/12/2011
Are young women over sex? As to me individually, the answer is clearly and sadly, "yes."
05:10 PM on 08/05/2011
Go to a highschool and you can tell young women are NOT over sex. Thereare at least half of the young women in a class having sex with MULTIPLE young men. I disagree with this.. Next time Erica Jong should do some research and look at highschools & colleges.. There are even 7th graders out there hving sex.. which is quite sickning but, hey what can we do? If anything sex hase become MORE to young women.. I men how many old people are there out on a corner?
01:45 PM on 08/06/2011
I disagree. High school girls are not women, yet. They are young girls that are just getting used to those hormones. Now, women the age of 24 and up are increasingly getting over " random" sex. Obv, this data doesn't reflect sex in relationships. So consider how many men you know are ready to be in committed relationships in high school- hell even college. I know that personally I am waiting until I am married because I want to be close to someone more than just sexually. NO, I am not uber religious nor a virgin. I crave the one thing sex cannot give you- respect. Think about that.
10:30 PM on 07/15/2011
as a father of 4 girls ages 15 - 18 i want to put in my 2 cents . i dont thing girls are " over " sex at all . it does however seem to me that girls are much more comfortable and deliberate when it comes to sex . i feel very lucky and very proud to have daughters who feel comfortable enough with their dad to openly discuss sex , dating , contraception , and pretty much everything that goes along with that . even though there is still a double standard , and still shame and the like associated with sex for girls , it is much , much less than ever before . i am glad that i was able to be sensible enough and honest enough to raise girls to be comfortable with their sexuality .
10:55 AM on 07/15/2011
i would disagree with the point that women want motherhood more today, just from my experience with women. i think women are even more empowered sexually than men today, in my opinion, that allows them to maintain whatever sexually lifestyle they want a lot more than men.

and i would also argue that electronic resources for sexual stimulation are consumed by men a lot more than women and maybe more satisfying. only because most men can't have the sexual lifestyle that want in reality, but they can electronically. unlike women, who can better control both worlds for themselves.
01:36 AM on 07/14/2011
Erica Jong can BLOW ME. Read my rebuttal here:

http://www.theblowoff.com/2011/07/erica-jong-can-blow-me.html
10:37 AM on 07/13/2011
Not to worry younger generations - Erica has always been provocative and "out there" - she has a few relevant observations - but she hardly represents the vast majority of "boomer" women - she didn't "back then" - either. This is how she makes a living!
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Karen Atkinson Garrison
01:37 AM on 07/13/2011
I get Erica Jong's point, but agree more with Rosie Gray.
And what Erin G. Ryan said about sex not making headlines anymore, just like going to the moon doesnt, is very true.
I agree with Jong that sex is different for younger women, than it was for me.
In some ways, I was *more* open, but in other ways, things my generation started have gone from underground to typical, even mainstream at times! that is life, no?
There isn't even much of an underground anymore.;-)

As for Jong's thoughts that the internet and vibrators have taken the place of sex--well...in my opinion, thats still sex--just sex that doesn't have to include a partner.

My question is, how much of the sex young women are engaged in is truly enjoyed?
I've counseled many young women who claim to love sex and talk lots about it, but when I got to know them,they were having sex mainly for the man they hoped to attract or impress.

I *do* agree that there seems to be a trend of sorts towards control.

What I do find confusing is the absurd belief that "sex"= intercourse only.
(vs oral sex or any other kind).
What's more, the under 40 crowd has returned to the unctuous 1st base, 2nd base and 3rd base crap, that I had hoped went out completely by the mid to late 60s.
10:45 PM on 07/15/2011
i couldnt agree more that sex for many young women is still mainly about the man . i am a father of 4 girls . i was raised by a single mother . i have always been very open minded about sex , and always disliked the negative aspects associated with with sex for girls . i have talked to my daughters many times and worked very hard to make my daughters feel comfortable enough with me to actually talk about sex . i have always stressed to them the importance of being responsible when it comes to sex , and also the importance of having sex for their enjoyment , because they want to and not because they think the guy loves them . i feel that i now have 4 girls who are comfortable with their sexuality , confident in who they are as women , and most importantly have the ability to have a good and fulfilling sx life.
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BigWillyG
12:41 AM on 08/31/2011
What's wrong with oral? If a girl can't enjoy "intercourse" then let her enjoy other things. Ditto for guys.
CognitoErgoSum
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01:11 AM on 07/13/2011
Having control over one's appetites IS freedom. Not feeling compelled to engage in sex just because you feel a need to prove to yourself or anyone else how "free" or "liberated" you are is also freedom. I don't think Ms. Jong respects the power of sex if she can't understand why someone would want to approach it judiciously without judging that person as some kind of backwards prude.
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dancerrrrr93
01:08 AM on 07/13/2011
This article kind of misrepresents the op-ed, to be honest. It's actually reasonable if you read it. She's makes the point that it's passionate sex that has been lost, as it's been replaced by a culture that glorifies sex (advertisements, movies, etc) to the extent that it has lost its place as 'special'. The way it has been presented picks a few lines that make a claim and fail to back it up, as she does in her editorial. For example, our ridiculous fascination with sex scandals? The huge push to revoke abortion rights? She makes these points as evidence for her first point, and points to social networking and instant communication as alienating and replacing real relationships as evidence the second claim highlighted by the article.
10:51 PM on 07/15/2011
if sex has lost its place as special i for one am glad . the idea that sex is special is misplaced and gives women bad reason for having sex . for years women were taught that sex is special and should only be done with someone they love . this thought process makes women believe that sex is the same thing as love . love is what is special . love can make sex better but sex can never make love better . women should be taught to have sex because they want to . have sex because they enjoy it . not have sex because they love someone .
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Vicki Larson
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09:45 AM on 08/08/2011
I would agree that passionate sex is missing. This is the booty call-hookup generation, after all. Not to say that you can't find passion from that, but old-fashioned romance — the seduction and courting and dating (and not being asked via text) — is dying or may be already dead. That is sad, and I can see how some people may long for it.

Decades of dating while building up your career or looking for "The One" (and that's a big mistake) is exhausting, and you can get jaded by your 30s.

Sex isn't over by any stretch of the imagination, but like everything else it has morphed into something we're still adjusting to. As long as there are men and women around (and men and men, and women and women), there will pretty much be sex.
09:31 PM on 07/12/2011
Huh, I didn't realize that my generation's less-positive attitude towards frequent casual sex will send women back to the dark ages... (That was sarcastic, if you didn't catch it.)
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rewith85man
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09:03 PM on 07/12/2011
I could see people avoiding sex by having intimacy and deep feelings for someone but I assure you that not everyone is going to stay away from having sex.
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RadicalAmerica
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11:41 PM on 07/12/2011
Of course not or else we would perish. But its getting harder to get some out there as the years go by. I think it has to do with the openness of sex with this generation. Its everywhere you look and doesn't hide away like in my generation or my parents. Then there was still something left to the imagination which fostered those feelings. Today its in every movie, song, commercial, poster, advertisement, billboard or TV show.
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PalaceOfWisdom
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02:30 PM on 07/12/2011
This reminds me of something I've said before, mostly as a joke. At the rate things are going, 50 years from now parents will expect their teens to be wild and promiscuous as the norm, leading an entire generation to act old-fashioned as a form of rebellion. I doubt it will really happen, but what a sight it would be.
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rewith85man
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09:05 PM on 07/12/2011
I do not know how the next generations will turn out. Probably just like the current one or following their grandparents/ancestors.

It will be interesting if future people want to be like the ones in the 60s, 70s, and other decades.
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Karen Atkinson Garrison
01:45 AM on 07/13/2011
That is so true Palace.:-) It would be hilarious.
Seriously,though, I have thought(at times) that we might as well assume teenagers and young men and women will have sex .
We don't need more teenage pregnancies nor the spread of STDs, but safe sex or non- intercourse sex would take care of that.
Teenager's hormones and therefore their feelings lead to sex naturally if they're not discouraged or fearful about it.