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Obama Offered To Raise Medicare Eligibility Age As Part Of Grand Debt Deal

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First Posted: 07/11/11 03:29 PM ET Updated: 09/10/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- In his press conference on Monday morning, President Barack Obama repeatedly insisted that he was willing to tackle some sacred cows as part of a larger package to raise the debt ceiling. Just how sacred, however, may surprise political observers.

According to five separate sources with knowledge of negotiations -- including both Republicans and Democrats -- the president offered an increase in the eligibility age for Medicare, from 65 to 67, in exchange for Republican movement on increasing tax revenues.

The proposal, as discussed, would not go into effect immediately, but rather would be implemented down the road (likely in 2013). The age at which people would be eligible for Medicare benefits would be raised incrementally, not in one fell swoop.

Sources offered varied accounts regarding the seriousness with which the president had discussed raising the Medicare eligibility age. As the White House is fond of saying, nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to. And with Republicans having turned down a "grand" deal on the debt ceiling -- which would have included $3 trillion in spending cuts, including entitlement reforms, in exchange for up to $1 trillion in revenues -- it is unclear whether the proposal remains alive.

"That is one of the things they put on the table as part of a big solution," said one senior Republican Hill aide.

"It was considered in the context of the big deal," added a top Democratic source briefed on the deliberations.

Multiple efforts to get comment from the White House were unsuccessful. That said, the president made his willingness to put entitlements on the table and incur the wrath of his base a focal point of his Monday press conference.

"We keep on talking about this stuff and we have these high-minded pronouncements about how we've got to get control of the deficit and how we owe it to our children and our grandchildren," said Obama. "Well, let's step up. Let's do it. I'm prepared to do it. I'm prepared to take on significant heat from my party to get something done. And I expect the other side should be willing to do the same thing -- if they mean what they say that this is important."

A proposal to raise the eligibility age for Medicare -- which was part of a budget plan put forth by Sens. Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn) and Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) -- would face steep opposition from within the Democratic Party. The amount of money it would save is also relatively small, as the vast majority of Medicare funding is spent on more elderly populations. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that if the Medicare eligibility age was increased from 65 to 67, the federal government would save $124.8 billion between 2014 and 2021.

Obama's willingness to embrace the idea, however, was seen as a major bargaining chip that could help win concessions from Republicans on revenues.

The frameworks of the deal were as follows: In exchange for raising the Medicare retirement age (in addition to other entitlement reforms and cuts that together would add up to $3 trillion), GOP leadership would sign off on $800 billion to $1 trillion in revenue raisers. Those increases, however, would only come in 2013. Republicans would have their choice of poison too. Either they could craft and pass a sweeping package of tax reforms that would result in $800 billion to $1 trillion in revenue increases, or they would be forced to de-couple the Bush era tax cuts, allowing those for people making above $250,000 to expire.

The idea, as one Democratic source with knowledge of the discussions put it, was to give House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) both an "out" and an "incentive." He would be able to go back to his caucus and say he had prevented an immediate tax increase and, potentially, the elimination of some of the Bush tax cuts. He would also be able to argue that he had created the proper conditions for tax reform. In order to ensure that he followed through, however, the prospect of the upper-end rates rising loomed in the near future.

"If the likes of [Senate Minority Leader Mitch] McConnell and others were blocking tax reform in a way that made up the $800 billion or so that needed to be actualized, Democrats would have that as a fallback if nothing happened at the end of 2012," explained the source.

The deal fell apart, in part, because Democrats demanded an upfront commitment from Republicans that they would allow the Bush-era tax cuts to be decoupled, rather than a commitment to revisit the issue at the end of 2013. According to a GOP official, that demand was interpreted as a way to simply drag out negotiations on comprehensive tax reform, as Democratic leadership would know full well that they had the fallback option of allowing taxes on upper income Americans to revert to pre-Bush rates.

Ryan Grim contributed reporting.

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WASHINGTON -- In his press conference on Monday morning, President Barack Obama repeatedly insisted that he was willing to tackle some sacred cows as part of a larger package to raise the debt ceilin...
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jdnich29
05:44 PM on 07/25/2011
Again SS is not an entitlement program. i've already paid for it. And Again if the country needs more money Tax all including Churches. Now talk about an entitlement . Church get to collect millions of millions of dollars and not pay taxes on any of the millions of dollars but then get to used this untax money to fund their poltical party and thbeir religious laws
TAX all including religions and the wealthy and business, Business have been given tax breaks to create jobs Well where are all these jobs?
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catcancook
Going Forward 2013-2016
11:12 AM on 07/15/2011
The Medicare savings* is ridiculous when you realize how much the WARS are costing everyone. This is a Republican game to destroy programs their wealthy friends and Corp America despises. It's very clear Republicans work for Them and not us!

Go to this link which update every second the cost of 2 wars. It is staggering.

http://costofwar.com/en/

*The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that if the Medicare eligibility age was increased from 65 to 67, the federal government would save $124.8 billion between 2014 and 2021.
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Highly Opinionated
The sounds of freedom are fading~Chippewa
04:05 PM on 07/13/2011
Where is AARP, the great advocate for seniors in all this? Where do they satnd? >>>crickets
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DrJykell
Truth hunter
08:23 PM on 07/12/2011
The only things that should be in jeopardy if the govt can't get the wealthy to give up the Bush tax cuts or the corporate welfare are the wars which are being paid for with a credit card...

The politicians are playing the American people---we need a more trustworthy American govt..
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Ronald Malaney
01:02 PM on 07/12/2011
he is departing his aunt? sorry just read headline
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Ronald Malaney
01:04 PM on 07/12/2011
sorry deporting
12:56 PM on 07/12/2011
Now Obama wants everyone to believe that he is the 'shinning light' to be followed to correct this mess. The same Obama and dems that had total control of the White House, the House of Representatives and the Senate and FAILED to pass a budget - much less than address the deficit spending. Guess it was just easier during this time to continue the uncontrolled spending and raise the debt when needed.

Guess they made a mistake and didn't push the limit up to say 50 trillion - that would have let them spend to their heart's content for Obama's current term and might even have let it go through a second term if he were elected again.
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Scott Zwartz
01:55 PM on 07/12/2011
If Obama had a brain, he would have SPEND TRILLIONS.

More spending = more jobs

Less spending = fewer jobs
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RMorr2002
03:15 PM on 07/12/2011
So...you are agreeing that obama does NOT have a brain in his head....Right???
07:29 PM on 07/12/2011
I think you're on to something. Man, I'm going to write a letter. I've got the whole thing figured out. About the highest paid "normal" people I know of, as in local people with day to day jobs, are attorneys. Most of them around here charge $200-$400 an hour, and they seem to do pretty well.

Here's the solution - all we need to do is raise minimum wage to $195 an hour. It has to stay under $200 or the really smart people won't want to go through all the hassle of college, law school, school loans, etc.

So let's see, $195 an hour x 40 hours a week, that's $7800 a week. So over a year, that's over $400,000. Everyone will be happy - we can all buy nice houses, and then everyone will be paying taxes, so the government will be flush with new revenue as well. Nobody will ever be poor again! YEAH!!!!
08:06 PM on 07/14/2011
Bush left this country broke and Obama is fixing it.
10:08 PM on 07/14/2011
Now dow you want the facts or do you want to continue to drink the Obama 'hool-aid'? Here are the facts:

Ignoring the three month overlap, Bush started at $5.807 trillion (9/30/01) and ended at $10.025 trillion (9/30/08) having Obama starting at $10.025 trillion and is at the current authorized limit of $14.3 trillion.
Source: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm, and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

As such, Obama and company have increased the National Debt by almost $4 trillion in 2 ½ years. It took Bush and company 8 years to increase the National Debt by $4.218 trillion.

If you look at 2007, when the dems took total control of Congress leaving Bush a ‘Lame Duck President’ – the 4 ½ years of Dems have increased the National Debt by $5.793 Trillion ($14.3-$8.507).

Date Dollar Amount
09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
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joecan1
30 years working in mining 20 undergrou
12:55 PM on 07/12/2011
I want to scream when he says everyone has suffered through this recession. NO, they haven't. If the rich would have suffered we would have been calling this the great depression of 2008. But the fact is the rich have prospered so it's "only" a recession.
07:38 PM on 07/12/2011
You should read up a little on the actual great depression. Around 40% never really faced any real hardship. Some people got fabulously wealthy BECAUSE of the depression because they saw an opportunity and had an idea - Floyd Bostwick Odlum, John Maynard Keynes, and big companies like Chevrolet. Somebody had to build all those cars, and those that did had jobs.

The rich will never suffer. They keep doing the things that make them rich. All of you that complain about "the rich" should spend your time figuring out how to become rich instead of being so envious.
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joecan1
30 years working in mining 20 undergrou
05:37 PM on 07/14/2011
I don't need to read up on it. I'm not that far removed from it and my Mom and Dad were raised in it. What you fail to mention in your hypothesis is that the 40% you're talking about were working for peanuts And even though they had enough to survive and in your words "never really faced hardship," they weren't prospering either. But then that's the way the top (and people like you) feel. Feed them and work them till they drop.
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procrustes13
12:52 PM on 07/12/2011
Obama wants to be remembered as a curse word.
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RMorr2002
03:18 PM on 07/12/2011
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Highly Opinionated
The sounds of freedom are fading~Chippewa
03:40 PM on 07/13/2011
I have to go clean the Obama out of the horse's stall.
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procrustes13
12:49 PM on 07/12/2011
We need you Mme. Guillotine.
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Veganie
Live food, live bodies
12:48 PM on 07/12/2011
Obama naysayers, one day you may realize that you have been misguided about him a highly intelligent man, he is very creative and shows great leadership; many of us already know this. Some of you have been taught to be indifferent to an imagined rival and are highly undutiful to your own best interests.
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Scott Zwartz
01:52 PM on 07/12/2011
Obama and Neville Chamberlain are in a contest to see who is the greatest moral coward and Obama won by a mile.

DUMp OBAMA now or else we will have another GOP President. We've had 8 years of GOP Bush and 4 years of GOP Obama - enough already
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yougogirl1948
07:51 PM on 07/12/2011
@Veganie:

Fanned & faved. Finally intelligent life. It always boggles my mind that sooo many people vote against their own best economic interests. This mess is the result of over thirty years of this mentality, yet most posting these negative anti-Obama are apparently unaware they are displaying their ignorance. I have to laugh to keep myself from crying.
11:11 AM on 07/13/2011
it's against my own economic interests to consider social security and medicare, programs that are coming out of my checks, as entitlement programs? yes this mess is the result of over 30 years of bad policy, but instead of saving us from falling off the cliff Obama is kicking our hands gripped to the edge.

let me guess, he's playing quadra-dimensional chess.
12:39 PM on 07/12/2011
The party is over and now we have to pay for it. SS and Medicare can't go on forever and will self destruct if nothing is done. Thankfully, Mr. Paul Ryan has introduced a plan to save these programs. The Dems have not. They are too interested in winning their next election and have no concern for us, the People. I support Ryan until the Dems put a better solution on the table. Until then, I have no reason to support Obama and his willingness to throw my mother, myself, and my kids under the bus just so he has a job in 2012.
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La Bennett
01:21 PM on 07/12/2011
It is people like you I don't get....Paul Ryan is the one who is throwing your mother, you and your kids under the bus. I am an independent. I argue with my staunch republican mother all the time. She said "Obamacare" will create death panels. The big republican lie/line. Under the Ryan plan seniors and the TRUE disabled, could not afford healthcare. The reason for Medicare in the first place was because there was no affordable care for seniors. An old person, or someone with a catasrophic injury causing disability could not get health insurance for the amount of any voucher. In other words they could not get care. Period. Especially with the cuts in Medicaid. That will result in thousands of deaths. I will ask you what I asked my mother: "which is worse, a program that allows for the discussion of end of life care, or a plan that makes it impossible to GET care?" At this point, Ryan and the house republicans are the only ones who have voted on something that will definitely cause death.
03:47 PM on 07/12/2011
Medicare ceases to exist as it does today if we do nothing. Ryan gives you one option. Dems have given us nothing. I'm not sure what plan you are referring to when you say "a program that allows for the discussion of end of life care". What plan is that? It sounds like a fiscal fantasy, but if you have a link to the plan, please post it.
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yougogirl1948
07:41 PM on 07/12/2011
@La Bennett:

Fanned & faved. There is no hope for people like ordinarydude. He and people like him have been believing the BIG LIES so long (at least thirty years or more) they are hopeless. Keep working on your mother. She raised a seemingly intelligent child so there is hope for her yet. The private insurance companies have had "death panels" for years. Sick people cut into their profits. I have always thought there is something uncivilized about a country that has a health delivery system based on the profit motive.
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SeanMartin
Everything in moderation.
01:59 PM on 07/12/2011
SS *can* if Congress stops treating it like a piggy bank. It's got plenty of funding to see itself through for some time. Once it's past the Boomer generation, it will be raking in serious bucks to fund itself even better, and that's when you need to worry about Congress "borrowing" from it again.

As for Ryan's plan, yes, it sounds great in theory. But what happens when the government's "voucher" doesnt come anywhere near the cost of the insurance? All that money you paid into the program -- and for what? So Blue Cross could take even more?
03:54 PM on 07/12/2011
If health care costs escalate at a rate much higher than inflation then Ryan's plan won't work. Of course, no plan could possibly work under those conditions and that is why you don't see the Dems lay anything out on the table.

Ryan's plan attempts to put market forces to work to reduce health inflation. Obama has a 15 person board that will most likely have to impose price controls and rationing, which ultimately puts government in control of your health care decisions.

Neither fork in the road leads to the promised land, but I'll side with Ryan.
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joecan1
30 years working in mining 20 undergrou
12:34 PM on 07/12/2011
The people like to say what the Presidents accomplished with healthcare (the majority of which doesn't even go into affect until 2014). But if he really is willing to bargain with social security, medicare, medicaid, and other social safety nets he will have reversed policies that it took years to get. And he will have taken the country back almost 80 years and accomplished something that Republicans couldn't do in all that time. I just hope and pray that he won't be that regressive.
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foneric
12:23 PM on 07/12/2011
Even after having his hand slapped away again, after giving more than what they were asking for in the first place, without any concessions from them, this is still the deal he wants. Unbelievable. The only concession he wants isn't actually a concession at all, it is simply allowing the bush tax cuts that HE extended, to expire. He has to be the worst negotiator in history.
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foneric
12:27 PM on 07/12/2011
One of these times they will say yes to his giveaways and then we're all screwed. And he'll act like he got a deal passed.
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kyrose777
12:10 PM on 07/12/2011
So that's how Obama wants to lead. Just throw SS & Medicare out there for enticement to get the debt ceiling raised? He has in his power to raise the debt ceiling anyway. Why would he put the benefits of the majority on the table for the repubs to gnaw on? There will be weeping, wailing, & gashing of teeth. Next President..... who knows? But we will have the bare the outcome of it all.
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AlexNYC
Pumps dont work cause the vandals took the handles
12:06 PM on 07/12/2011
““'I'm Exhausted Of Defending You' by an Obama voter and supporter at a Town Hall meeting.

http://www­­.youtube.­c­om/watch­?v­=ujwE-O­YCj­bw””
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foneric
07:55 PM on 07/12/2011
His giveaways have been indefensible for a long time. I'm blown away by how bad he is.