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Global Warming: Nature Can't Save Us From Ourselves

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First Posted: 07/13/11 02:45 PM ET Updated: 09/12/11 06:12 AM ET

The notion that nature itself will act as a check on the atmospheric excesses of humanity has long held a fair amount of appeal, not least because it draws on a nugget of high-school science that most people can quickly comprehend. Plants inhale carbon dioxide, after all -- they need it to grow. Add more CO2 to the air, as human civilization has been doing in copious amounts since the dawn of the Industrial Revolution, and the result will surely be thicker, more expansive biomass.

More trees, plants and crops, the thinking goes, means that more and more carbon dioxide will be naturally absorbed from the atmosphere, and ... voila! The climate problem is elegantly solved!

It's a conviction readily embraced by climate skeptics, and one enthusiastically peddled in some scientific cul-de-sacs like the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, a pet project of Sherwood B. Idso, a former research physicist with the Department of Agriculture, and his two sons, Craig and Keith.

From the center's Web site:

For years environmentalists have warned us about how fragile earth's biosphere is; and in many cases dealing with specific species or ecosystems, they have been correct. In its totality, however, the biosphere is much more resilient than most people give it credit for being. As atmospheric CO2 -- the lifeblood of the planet -- has gradually risen over the course of the Industrial Revolution, for example, the biosphere has begun to reveal its true strength, with the plants of the planet growing ever more robustly and profusely, as they expand their ranges over the face of the earth and extract ever greater quantities of CO2 from the air and sequester its carbon in their tissues and the soil into which they sink their roots.

Nothing inherently nonsensical here -- but the Idsos take it to the extreme, essentially arguing that the planet can't have too much of a good thing.

"Science tells us that putting more CO2 in the air would actually be good for the planet," the Idsos assert.

(The family's research center, which has received funding from ExxonMobil, also ranks #8 on Mother Jones magazine's "Dirty Dozen of Climate Change Denial," for whatever that's worth.)

The fact is, most climate models do suggest that higher concentrations of carbon dioxide will spur increased plant growth, and that this will have some mitigating effect on what would otherwise be unchecked global warming. Just how significant this or myriad other planetary feedback effects might be in tweaking the Earth's thermostat over time is a matter of some speculation -- and the subject of fervent activity among designers of evermore accurate climate models.

But scientists generally agree that the influence of increased biomass will be modest, essentially acting like a brake on a runaway freight train. It might be able to slow steadily rising temperatures, but it will hardly be enough to stop global warming in its tracks.

What's more, most studies have ignored the influence of other potent global warming compounds like nitrous oxide and methane. Both are known to be released from soil in varying amounts, depending on the landscape, as atmospheric carbon dioxide increases.

A new study from Northern Arizona University, published Wednesday in the journal Nature, throws N2O and methane into the mix, and the results suggest that nature's defenses against global warming are even less effective than previously thought.

"This is one more reason why we should not expect nature to help clean up our climate change problem," said Bruce Hungate, a co-author of the study and a professor of biological sciences at Northern Arizona University.

The study -- a meta-analysis of dozens of separate studies of soil emissions in variety of ecosystems, including forests, farmland, rice paddies, grasslands and wetlands in North America, Europe and Asia -- found that increased atmospheric carbon dioxide causes soil to release methane and nitrous oxide in amounts significant and sustained enough to reduce the overall cooling effect of increased biomass by nearly 20 percent.

What's going on? Organisms in soil, it seems, thrive on both nitrate and carbon dioxide. These microbes also produce methane and nitrous oxide, which are, respectively, about 25 times and 300 times more effective at trapping heat than even CO2. As humans pump more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, these organisms pump out more N2O and methane.

The body of literature on this effect suggested that it varied in degree from one ecosystem to another. This variation made it difficult to determine whether, on the whole, its impact on the global climate was significant or merely a wash. Yet the new study provides a clear answer: the effect is significant.

Hungate said he was surprised by the results, which he obtained no matter how he and his co-authors weighted the various studies. "We're not just looking at a statistical fluke," he said, adding that the reduction in cooling that the study ultimately attributed to soil emissions was probably an underestimate, given the lack of available data from tropical ecosystems, which have yet to be substantively studied in this regard.

Still, the allure of the notion that nature will heal itself is a powerful one.

A study from NASA in December, for example, was widely heralded as suggesting that global warming was no longer a worry.

"A new NASA computer modeling effort," stated a press release issued at the time, "has found that additional growth of plants and trees in a world with doubled atmospheric carbon dioxide levels would create a new negative feedback - a cooling effect - in the Earth's climate system that could work to reduce future global warming."

That the study clearly asserted that this cooling effect would be no real match for the overall trend of rising temperatures was missing from some reports of the news.

"A group of top NASA boffins says that current climate models predicting global warming are far too gloomy," began an article at The Register, a British-based technology news site, "and have failed to properly account for an important cooling factor which will come into play as CO2 levels rise."

The Guardian newspaper's Environment Blog offered a withering deconstruction of The Register's misinterpretation of the study, but the original nonsense enjoyed widespread distribution on the Web.

Still, Ken Caldeira, a prominent climate scientist at the Carnegie Institution's department of global ecology, suggested in an email that the new research out of Northern Arizona University made the situation facing humanity quite plain.

"To solve the carbon-climate problem, we need to transform our energy system into one that does not dump its waste into the sky," Caldeira said. "Land plants help. It looks like they won't help quite as much as we thought they would. Clearly, we can't expect nature to solve our problems for us."

In other words, while the ability of the planet to heal itself is a factor, it's ultimately up to humans to sort out the climate mess. Nature won't save the day.

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The notion that nature itself will act as a check on the atmospheric excesses of humanity has long held a fair amount of appeal, not least because it draws on a nugget of high-school science that most...
The notion that nature itself will act as a check on the atmospheric excesses of humanity has long held a fair amount of appeal, not least because it draws on a nugget of high-school science that most...
 
 
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09:32 PM on 08/04/2011
I've planted over 30 trees in the last 4 years, many more shrubs, and hundreds of flowers.
In my own yard.

I'm a doin' my part.

How many of you are planting trees?
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05:30 PM on 08/02/2011
"Science tells us that putting more CO2 in the air would actually be good for the planet," the Idsos assert. This is not true. Plant productivity depends on a number of factors--not just carbon dioxide. These include water availability, soil and water pH, soil texture, soil fertility, trace elements, sunlight availability, interspecies competition, deforestation and soil erosion etc. Carbon dioxide concentrations have been rising for years indicating that plant growth worldwide is not keeping up with carbon dioxide availability. In other words other factors are limiting plant primary production on the planet.
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If I were DNA Helicase I could unzip your Genes
08:41 AM on 08/02/2011
f course the problem with all of this was the actual NASA data that blew all of the global warming posturing out of the window. Amazing how we are shedding heat at a rate beyond anything any of the models could comprehend. What will you think of to whine about next?
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Reality has a scientific bias
04:35 PM on 07/29/2011
The ICSC's Tom Harris refused to address fraud by the ICSC's Bob Carter.

Executive Director of the International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC) Tom  Harris and other so-called climate science "skeptics" including Orkneygal have repeately refused to address Bob Carter's fraud here on HuffPo* **, despite the fact that Bob Carter is the ICSC's Chief Science Adviser.

The ICSC's Bob Carter is a featured Heartland Institute conference speaker and a leader of and/or major contributor to other prominent organizations that are "skeptical " of man-made global warming / climate change as well, including the Science & Environmental Policy Project (SEPP) and the Nongovernmental Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC).

The ICSC's Bob Carter also is a founding leader of the "skeptical" New Zealand Climate Science Coalition (NZCSC), which is an ICSC sister organization. You Orkneygal have indicated that you live in New Zealand - what relationship do you have with the NZCSC, if any?

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* http://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/07/13/bob-carter-does-his-business/

** http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/social/Publicola/climate-change-denial_b_896543_97738177.html
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03:52 PM on 07/29/2011
ILoveFiction: 

"I have a question about our war against offshore wind. Do you really think we can stop the wind? I mean, I'm on board and everything. I agree 100 percent. But Richard said that would shut down the Gulf Stream. Could we just stop the offshore rain or something?"

Perhaps this informative mass-media report -- complete with fair-and-balanced analysis by media talking heads -- will help clear things up for you, ILF:

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In The Know: Coal Lobby Warns Wind Farms May Blow Earth Off Orbit

Panelists debate whether the U.S. is doing enough to heed the warnings of coal industry scientists who say turbines could blow the Earth right into the sun.

http://www.theonion.com/video/in-the-know-coal-lobby-warns-wind-farms-may-blow-e,20876/
11:54 PM on 07/29/2011
Damn! I was really looking forward to getting my hair blow-dried as an added benefit!
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09:05 AM on 07/29/2011
Meanwhile, in the real world of science measurement......

Global extreme weather events, as measured by NOAA's ACE (Accumulated Cyclone Energy) remains at record LOWS!

Thank you Dr Maue for your excellent work!

All of us at MOJO salute you!

http://coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/
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02:57 PM on 07/29/2011
The fraudulent and debunked Bob Carter* is a founding leader of the "skeptical" New Zealand Climate Science Coalition (NZCSC), which is a sister organization to the ICSC. You Orkneygal have indicated that you live in New Zealand - what relationship do you have with the NZCSC, if any?

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* http://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/07/13/bob-carter-does-his-business/
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10:01 AM on 07/30/2011
Or as Judith Curry says ...

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1839281,00.html

... expect the big storms to be worse.
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10:02 AM on 07/28/2011
The NIPCC's Bob Carter has committed scientific fraud.*

Dr. Robert M. "Bob" Carter is a leader of and/or major contributor to several prominent organizations that are "skeptical " of man-made global warming / climate change, including the Science & Environmental Policy Project (SEPP), the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC), and the International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC).

You Orkneygal have nonetheless repeatedly claimed to have "no interest" in addressing irrefutable evidence of the debunked Bob Carter's fraud, just as ICSC Executive Director Tom Harris repeatedly refused to address Bob Carter's fraud in the "Investigation Hits at Climate Change Denier's 'Science'" thread.**

Please answer this question that you Orkneygal have repeatedly refused to answer:

Dr. Bob Carter is also a founding leader of the "skeptical" New Zealand Climate Science Coalition (NZCSC), which is a sister organization to the ICSC. You Orkneygal have indicated that you live in New Zealand - what relationship do you have with the NZCSC, if any?

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* http://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/07/13/bob-carter-does-his-business/

** http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/social/Publicola/climate-change-denial_b_896543_97738177.html
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ILoveFiction
That's unbelievable!
02:00 PM on 07/28/2011
"The NIPCC's Bob Carter has committed scientific fraud"

Yikes that is serious.

NIPCC as in No Intelligent Person Could Consent? Is that a large organization?
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03:13 PM on 07/29/2011
That Bob Carter has committed scientific fraud with whereby he deceptively tried to Hide the Incline of the global warming temperature trend over recent decades* is indeed serious.

That multiple purported global warming "skeptics" including Executive Director of the ICSC Tom Harris -- Bob Carter is the ICSC's Chief Science Adviser -- and Orkneygal have repeatedly refused to address Bob Carter's fraud here on HuffPo** is curious.

Or rather, the ICSC's Tom Harris' and Orkneygal's refusal to address Bob Carter's fraud would be curious if one were to assume that they were in reality climate science skeptics, as opposed to climate science deniers.

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* http://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/07/13/bob-carter-does-his-business/

** http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/social/Publicola/climate-change-denial_b_896543_97738177.html
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10:00 AM on 07/28/2011
Ross McKitrick says God will protect us from global warming.*

Orkneygal: "Dr McKitrick is a accomplish ed statistici an and noted economist."

Dr. Ross McKitrick shares his belief that God will protect us from global warming with many other prominent "skeptics" who have also signed the Cornwall Alliance's Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming, including scientist Dr. Roy Spencer.* 

Roy Spencer is moreover on the Cornwall Alliance's Board of Advisers.**

More from the Cornwall Alliance on their belief that God will protect us from global warming:

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The world is in the grip of an idea: that burning fossil fuels to provide affordable, abundant energy is causing global warming that will be so dangerous that we must stop it by reducing our use of fossil fuels... 

We believe that idea... fails the tests of theology... with a worldview of the Earth and its climate system contrary to that taught in the Bible...

The providence and promises of God inform a Christian understanding of creation stewardship, helping to avert irrational or exaggerated fears of catastrophes... God’s wisdom, power, and faithfulness justify confidence that Earth’s ecosystems are robust and will, by God’s providence, accomplish the purposes He set for them.
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http://www.cornwallalliance.org/docs/a-renewed-call-to-truth-prudence-and-protection-of-the-poor.pdf

http://www.cornwallalliance.org/blog/item/prominent-signers-of-an-evangelical-declaration-on-global-warming/

** http://www.cornwallalliance.org/about/board-of-advisors/
10:55 AM on 07/26/2011
test.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
09:26 PM on 07/26/2011
pass.
11:36 PM on 07/26/2011
Thanks Reed. For days now, my meager contributions here have been raptured. Puzzling.
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08:07 AM on 07/24/2011
OrkneyGal: you seem to have a lot of confidence in Anthony Watts, Jo Nova, and Judith Curry.

Why is that?
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04:00 AM on 07/25/2011
One thing all should admire about their work is that they allow their critics to make comments on their blogs, if they are made in an appropriate way.

Compare that to other examples, such as the way the Bore Hole is used, or the way John Cook treats posts that use peer-reviewed papers to refute some of his non-sense.

Obviously, all 3 have their critics, but that is part of the territory with the work they do.
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07:58 AM on 07/25/2011
What work do you think they are doing?
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08:04 AM on 07/25/2011
By the way, I like Climate Central for its reporting style of presentation.

They present information without spending time trying to show others are incorrect. They also do not go deep into the technical aspects, but it's a good jumping-off point for those who want more detail (in my opinion).

www.climatecentral.org
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Those who fail to remember history are, um
07:51 PM on 07/27/2011
Who is Jo Nova, really?
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realpolitic
When in Rome.......
01:47 AM on 07/24/2011
Consistency of modelled and observed temperature trends in
the tropical troposphere

Our results contradict a recent claim that all simulated temperature trends in the tropical troposphere and in tropical
lapse rates are inconsistent with observations. This claim was based on use of older radiosonde and satellite datasets, and
on two methodological errors: the neglect of observational trend uncertainties introduced by interannual climate variability,
and application of an inappropriate statistical ‘consistency test.

https://www.llnl.gov/news/newsreleases/2008/NR-08-10-05-article.pdf
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01:05 AM on 07/24/2011
Orkney references a paper by Ross McKitrick as authoritative on the subject of the tropical hotspot. "In February, 86 evangelical Christian leaders backed the Evangelical Climate Initiative, calling for federal legislation to reduce CO2 emissions." "Opposing them is a group called the Interfaith Stewardship Alliance who are collecting signatures in support of a document arguing against the existence of anthropogenic global warming. It's the usual discredited stuff: Oregon petition, Peiser's discredited claims, Bray's bogus survey etc etc. The most interesting argument is on page 12:" "It is ironic that many supporters of the ECI rely heavily on the claim of scientific consensus to buttress their view of global warming. The role of the IPCC in climate studies is similar to that of the Jesus Seminar in New Testament scholarship in the 1990s and Darwinism for the past century. It is a self-selecting group with a narrow point of view favored by the political left and mainstream media, and it tends to respond to critics with derision or dismissal rather than collegial engagement. Evangelicals have been quick to criticize the process behind the Jesus Seminar and Darwinism. They have resisted the idea that complex scholarly issues could be decided by a majority vote among club members. Those same critical instincts need to be kept in place when evaluating claims of consensus on global warming." So who are the authors of this document? Four evangelicals: E. Calvin Beisner, who is a Creationist Paul K. Driessen, who helps spread the DDT ban myth Ross McKitrick, who has his own category on this blog Roy W. Spencer, who is a Creationist I wonder if McKitrick is a Creationist as well? http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/06/the_role_of_the_ipcc_in_climat.php McKitrick is an endorser of “An Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming” which was created by the Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation. Those who sign the declaration “We deny that carbon dioxide—essential to all plant growth—is a pollutant. Reducing greenhouse gases cannot achieve significant reductions in future global temperatures, and the costs of the policies would far exceed the benefits.” http://www.desmogblog.com/ross-mckitrick
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04:14 AM on 07/24/2011
The search for the missing Hot Spot is an exercise in advanced statistical methods using complex, large data sets.

Dr McKitrick is a accomplished statistician and noted economist.

MMH2010, his most recent collaborative publication on the radiosonde re-analysis work, remains unrefuted in the scientific literature.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
09:17 PM on 07/24/2011
Do you see any possible problems with the methodology employed in MMH2010?
If so, what? If not, have you really read the entire paper for yourself?
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ILoveFiction
That's unbelievable!
08:21 PM on 07/23/2011
If you people would just listen carefully to what Ms OrkneyBoss is saying.

Everybody knows the IPCC provides year by year projections and the one for the 2011 hot spot is wrong. Right?

(psst -- I may be a low paid minion but I think this might get a raise out of her)
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05:43 PM on 07/23/2011
"Despite this, the adjusted tropospheric temperature trends agree roughly with physical expectations. We find, in particular, tropical (30°N–30°S) warming that is as fast since 1979 as during the longer 1959–2005 period and that increases with altitude from 850 through about 300 hPa. Extratropical warming was about the same in both hemispheres since 1959, but was strongly asymmetric since 1979, with stronger warming in the ENH and little in the ESH. Previous homogenized datasets generally showed some, but not all, of these characteristics." http://cit­eseerx.ist­.psu.edu/v­iewdoc/dow­nload?doi=­10.1.1.167­.1531&rep=­rep1&type=­pdf
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08:40 AM on 07/23/2011
Interesting how some people seem to believe the IPCC creates GCMs.

This is a lot like Alan Carlin talking about the "UN hypothesis".

The IPCC summarizes the science. It does not create or own models or hypotheses.
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06:20 PM on 07/23/2011
You are clearly not paying attention to what is really going on, ClimateGoose-

"The IPCC’s alteration of Forster & Gregory’s model-independent climate sensitivity results"

Link-

http://judithcurry.com/2011/07/05/the-ipccs-alteration-of-forster-gregorys-model-independent-climate-sensitivity-results/
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06:47 PM on 07/23/2011
You mean this Judith Curry?  Curry herself wrote...

"In his Outlook essay "Chill Out," Bjorn Lomborg rightly notes that skepticism about climate change is no longer focused on whether it the earth is getting warmer (it is) or whether humans are contributing to it (we are). The current debate is about whether warming matters, and whether we can afford to do anything about it."

"In this debate, Lomborg has positioned himself squarely in the skeptics' camp. But he has some of his facts wrong -- and he fails to appreciate the risks that global warming bring to us all."

"Lomborg seems to have missed it, but a sensible debate has begun on how to best respond to global warming -- in national and local governments, universities and the private sector -- in the U.S. and around the world. There is no easy solution to this problem; the challenge is how best to develop options that are feasible, efficient, viable and scalable. Lomborg is correct to be concerned about the possibility of bad policy choices. But I have yet to see any option that is worse than ignoring the risk of global warming and doing nothing."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/10/AR2007101002157.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
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06:50 PM on 07/23/2011
Or perhaps this Judith Curry?

Question:  [Judith Curry] was referring to a rise and fall in temperatures in the 1930s and ’40s that might have been caused by a coincidence of (…) oscillations in the Atlantic and Pacific, and another that could account for a lot of the warming in the 1990s. She was saying that it looked bad that you were trying to smooth out the bump in the ’30s and ’40s but not the one in the 1990s. Is that a valid critique?


Michael Mann:  The way you characterize it, it sounds like nonsense. I’m not sure how much familiarity she has, for example, with time-series smoothing. I’ve published a number of papers on this topic, and in fact, the approach that I take was used in the most recent IPCC report. I actually take a very objective approach to the problem of time-series smoothing. I’m not sure she understands the problem. It is very much the mainstream view in the climate research community that you cannot explain the warming of the past few decades without anthropogenic and human influences on climate.

http://blogs.nature.com/climatefeedback/2010/03/judith_curry_and_michael_mann.html