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Ted Strickland: Dems' Concessions On Debt Debate Are 'Very Troubling'

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First Posted: 07/14/11 07:01 PM ET Updated: 09/13/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- A resolution to raise the nation's debt ceiling may remain far off. But the long-term framing of the debate over spending and debt is becoming slightly clearer, and it's causing philosophical fissures among Democrats.

In an interview with The Huffington Post, former Ohio Governor Ted Strickland (D) aired his concern that the fiscal "belt-tightening" President Obama and many Democrats have pursued has effectively diminished the party's brand. Democrats, he argued, have "allowed the center of the political debate to be shifted so far to the right that we find ourselves debating on their territory and using Republican language."

"It's very troubling," he said.

Removed from office after a bruising re-election campaign, Strickland has largely avoided the political spotlight, choosing, instead, to help to build Democratic infrastructure in Ohio. But the debt ceiling debate has piqued his interest and drawn him back into the national conversation -- in large part, he said, because he's worried that his party is unnecessarily folding its superior hand.

Instead of conceding philosophical points to fiscal hawks, he said, the president should being using his bully pulpit to reframe the debate. Congressional Democrats, he added, should be forcing regular votes on "jobs bills" that would create an effective contrast between themselves and Republicans.

"You've got to create conflict, but it's got to be the right kind of conflict," he said. "The thing that bothers me is we allow ourselves to debate issues using their frame and we're doing it with this deficit issue. Everyone now, with the exception of maybe [House Minority Leader] Nancy Pelosi, begins their first statement with, 'Oh, we've got to deal with the deficit.' Yes! But not in 2011. We've got to deal with job losses in 2011."

Conceptually, there are few in the party who would outwardly disagree with Strickland. The president himself, in a recent news conference, said he would prefer to invest in infrastructure and state aid. "But I’m operating within some political constraints here," he added, "because whatever I do has to go through the House of Representatives."

That's not a good enough excuse for the Ohio Democrat, who approaches the debate from the vantage point of a former governor of a state hit hard -- even before the recession -- by a wave of bad economic developments. At the very least, he argues, the government (including the White House) shouldn't be embracing the notion of austerity.

"You don't take a problem that has developed over decades, that may be structural in nature, and decide, 'Aha! Eureka! We've reached a conclusion -- we've got to solve this problem in the midst of the greatest recession,'" he said. "Of all the times to solve it."

Strickland predicts that adding trillions of dollars in federal spending cuts to state budget crises will do little more than result in "fewer needy people getting the essential services they need." State governments, after all, are already slashing critical social services.

"States have been cutting going on for four years now. They are deep into the bone and revenues are down about 9 percent from before the recession," said Mike Leachman, assistant director of the state fiscal project at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a nonpartisan research and policy institute. "If you pile on additional cuts in federal support by cutting Medicaid, which will just shift costs to states, and other reductions in state aid for other kinds of programs, from head start to environmental programs to education, it would just dig down further into that hole that states are already in."

Sipping from a cup of coffee just a block away from where debt ceiling talks were taking place, Strickland said he had not yet closed the door on running for office again. But his answer to the dilemma Leachman describes would make him an outcast in national politics.

Indeed, it exposes the very rift that has emerged between the party's leadership and those members removed from the beltway's political theater.

Rather than make cuts to federal expenditures now, he argues, the government should invest hundreds of billions of dollars in infrastructure and green jobs. Instead of going after public employee unions, which his successor John Kasich (whom Strickland called a "bully") has done, government should lean on the well-off instead. And if the critics decry those tactics as 'class warfare,' politicians shouldn't be shy about admitting they're right.

"It is class warfare. And as Warren Buffett says, their class is winning. The upper class is winning this fight," said Strickland. "It's about economic justice and fairness. Republicans say it is about individual responsibility. I say it’s about individual opportunity."

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WASHINGTON -- A resolution to raise the nation's debt ceiling may remain far off. But the long-term framing of the debate over spending and debt is becoming slightly clearer, and it's causing philosop...
WASHINGTON -- A resolution to raise the nation's debt ceiling may remain far off. But the long-term framing of the debate over spending and debt is becoming slightly clearer, and it's causing philosop...
 
 
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Michael Thornton
10:47 PM on 07/15/2011
Dems = Republicans, while Republicans = Tea Party. a push to the right that is wrong on so many levels.
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jimtodd
Unrepentant child of '60s
04:09 PM on 07/15/2011
If it weren't so frustrating, the progressive community's attempts to come to grips with President Obama would be fun to watch. So many people bought into or created an image of him as the new progressive American savior, that he would have had a hard time even if that was his goal. The reality that he is, after all, not a progressive has created a strange schizophrenia within the progressive community. I say I am watching the process because I made my peace with Obama's governing philosophy, neoliberalism, quite some time ago. Since that time his actions have only strengthened my opinion, and have made me increasingly comfortable when establishing my expectations. I am also more comfortable with my criticism of the president, because in most cases his action is not a surprise.
If I may be so bold, my advice to fellow progressives is be true to your philosophy and honest in your observations, but don't shoot yourself in the foot in the voting booth.
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Andrew Jones
02:13 PM on 07/15/2011
Obama needs to change his focus from "get something done" to "get something done for working people."
02:07 PM on 07/15/2011
Although I am disgusted with the President's failure to stand on and fight for Democratic principles, I am even more appalled at the degree to which vast segments of the population, people who should fully embrace the egalitarian principles that have so long characterized the Democratic Party now identify and sympathize with the uber rich. I'm talking about the conservative poor, the Tea Partiers, and Republicans whose livelihood is either wholly or largely dependent upon Social Security and whose healthcare needs are primarily addressed by Medicare. That these people see themselves as somehow in the same box as the super wealthy is a staggering accomplishment for the propaganda machine of the right, and a devastating blow to the cause of truth and rational policy making. Their opposition to reasonable tax increases and pump priming governmental spending defies reason and makes Obama's already reluctant championship of the cause of the common people that much more difficult.
02:30 PM on 07/15/2011
Now that government is slashing education budgets, letting schools crumble, and slandering and firing teachers, then we will have more uneducated, ignorant people to look to other people to tell them what to think and who to hate, rather than analyzing the whole and seeing through the lies.
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DLocke
02:38 PM on 07/15/2011
I hate to break it to you, but Republicans already started the process that you speak of years ago. The rise of the willfully ignorant campaigning against their own well-being is the first wave of the consequences of those actions.
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mbinKS
08:11 PM on 07/15/2011
I suspect that most of those same folks think that 'maybe someday I too will uber-rich' and try to identify with people who don't even think about the average Joe. Whoever said one has to be a realist to vote?
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JoanMeijer
Author of Relentless: The Search For Typhoid Mary
02:06 PM on 07/15/2011
I think that the brand started to change with the Clintons. The Democratic Party walked away from the people and into the hands of the rich and feckless when the "Centrists" who started dismantling the laws that controlled Wall Street in order to be able to better compete with the Republicans - who look more like the old Republicans which probably insults people like Eisenhower and Rockefeller who were virtually given no place to go in their own party took over ours. We have a Democratic Party in name only now. We need the progressives to take back the party or start an effective third party. I think the economy will help with that unfortunately.
02:33 PM on 07/15/2011
Well, the ones who stand firm and defend the little guy are eliminated and have streets, memorials, airports, and a special day named for them. Self-preservation means survival, I guess.
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Iatros78
Science is the consensus of expert opinion
01:58 PM on 07/15/2011
It's too bad Mr. Strickland didn't take his own adivce when he was governor of Ohio. Like most Democratic politicians elected to state office in Ohio, Mr. Strickland was indistinguishable from a Republican. How progressive is Mr Strickland? Ohio labor unions gathered votes for a constitutional amendment to require employers to provide workers with a set number of paid sick days. Mr. Strickland used his political power to get the unions to abandon their initiative. The reason? It would be bad for "business." The Humane Society also collected enough signatures for a constitutional amendment to require humane treatment of farm animals in Ohio. In order to circumvent their efforts, Mr. Strickland created a farm board dominated by agribusiness so that no such humane treatment of farm animals would take place in Ohio. Mr. Strickland also never met an NRA law that he didn't like- including the one that allows guns into Ohio bars and restaurants. He put a pro-business, corporate flunky in charge of the Ohio EPA. And finally, he destroyed the Ohio Tobacco Prevention Foundation and took millions of dollars set aside to address Ohio's tobacco epidemic in order to balance the budget (He took a "no new taxes" pledge like current batch of Republican extremists).

I'll take President Obama over Ted Strickland any day.
02:34 PM on 07/15/2011
Thank you for the info. He was painting himself as some sort of Alan Grayson and I'm glad you've explained what his record truly was.
10:07 PM on 07/15/2011
I'll take Strickland over Kasich any day.
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Marcospinelli
an old liberal Democrat, a 'New Deal'-Democrat
01:50 PM on 07/15/2011
Would Strickland challenge Obama in 2012?

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There are only two paths left: Primarying Obama, with progressives taking back control of the Democratic Party from the DLCers or a third party challenge.  

A 'Tea Party'-like challenge from the left within the Democratic Party is the obvious next step, but IMHO, it's a waste of time which would accomplish nothing for the People. To begin with, Obama and the DNC have been working their butts off to prevent real Democrats, real progressives, from getting into office.  And no Democrat will challenge Obama as long as Obama's 'most ardent supporters' continue to keep Obama's approval numbers up; it would be suicide for any professional politician in the Democratic Party to run against the party's sitting president.. 

Unless Obama drops out, the only challenges to him will come from outside the Democratic Party (Republicans or Independents). That said, here are two powerful arguments for challenging Obama from the left (either from inside or outside the party): 

Michael Lerner's very powerful case for primarying Obama.

Ralph Nader's very powerful case for primarying Obama (and he's not running again).

Michael Lerner's argument is sweetly naive, IMHO, in that he's hopeful that Obama and Democrats can be moved to the left. I don't think that's true anymore. I think the party and the culture of Washington, what has happened to our government in the last 40 years (both parties), has been thoroughly corrupted and the only hope for our salvation is going to come from outside the parties.
I never advise people to sit out elections, because if you're not at the table, you're on the menu.

It's what p!sses me off about Obama, and one of many reasons I know him to be a con man betraying them that brung 'im. Because by shutting out liberals, the base, from his administration, by taking single payer, a public option, off the table, eliminating regulatory oversight from finance reform legislations, he's given pro-corporate, Republican-like policies an inside line. The People's advocates can't even get in the door of this government.

You're not limited to voting for just Democrats and Republicans. There are other alternatives besides sitting out the election or voting for Republicans. There are other candidates running as independents, from Green to Libertarian, in just about every race.  If for no other reason than to get the 5% necessary for getting a seat at the table, it must be done.

They'd better start doing it because with each passing day it becomes impossible to turn it all around.
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Marcospinelli
an old liberal Democrat, a 'New Deal'-Democrat
02:40 PM on 07/15/2011
I'm just wondering why someone with such negative views of the president would still consider themselves a democrat.

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The same reason that allegiance and loyalty to a president doesn't make one a patriotic American; allegiance to the Constitution does.

Obama's beliefs and positions on the issues isn't what defines the Democratic Party; the Democratic Party's platform does.  Obama and most of the Democrats in public office today are at odds with the Democratic Party's platform.

Mushy-minded Obama supporters need to get better informed, and cultivating some real Democratic convictions wouldn't hurt either.  Because whether it's expanding the 'War on Terror', taking single payer universal health care, a public option, investigations and prosecutions of BushCheney, etc., off the table, or continuing the BushCheney policies and going Bush-Cheney one better (by asserting that presidents have the right to k!ll American citizens with no due process, no oversight, and 'preventive detention', the right to imprison anyone indefinitely because he thinks they might commit a crime), or using JoeLieberman to hide behind, to duck out on his campaign pledge of transparency, and gut the FOIA, putting Medicare and Social Security on the table and on the path for destruction, no real Democrat could continue to support Obama or any politicians purporting to be Democrats doing this.
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jimtodd
Unrepentant child of '60s
03:38 PM on 07/15/2011
As usual, my friend, you raise interesting points that accurately reflect the problems that some progressives have with the pres. I am one that keeps harping on the idea, in my mind fact, that Obama is a traditional neoliberal. The difference between he and a traditional GOP conservative is that a neoliberal is willing to occasionally allow progressive social legislation to become law, while a conservative will always resist. Expecting Obama to champion a progressive agenda though, is a fantasy not to be fulfilled, and it frustrates me to no end that fellow progressives refuse to acknowledge this simple observation. To do so, immediately removes the false image of Obama the caver or capitulater. What's more it reveals a consistency in the end results of settlements of various contentious issues.
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Marcospinelli
an old liberal Democrat, a 'New Deal'-Democrat
06:12 PM on 07/15/2011
I used to think that Obama was that traditional, classic neoliberal you describe, but I think we may have enough evidence (particularly with what he did this week, asking the 9th circuit to stay their DADT decision) that he's either a full blown a neocon or just an ordinary self-interested politician, the sociopathic kind, with no convictions beyond what personally benefits himself.

I think that's what Reverend Jeremiah Wright discovered, and what he may have meant when he concluded that Obama was "just a politician".   
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den1953
The National Inquire of Politics the GOP!
01:48 PM on 07/15/2011
This explains just how bad Washington is broken a President is only as strong as the Congress and Senate around him, the American people have the worst dysfunctional Government Corporate America could buy!
01:44 PM on 07/15/2011
I remember hearing poll results less than 90 days ago that show deficit as fourth on the list of what's important to average folks. Jobs was number one concern and will be until we recover from the eight million jobs lost during Bush's terms, which is now calculated to take over ten years. I admit bias here. I am saying cut pentagon/military, stop the wars, and raise taxes on the wealthy to create spending on infrustructure (jobs). Do it now. Once we see recovery (likely ten years out) , then divert those funds to deficit recovery.
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Heidi McClure
01:41 PM on 07/15/2011
This guy is my new hero. Seems like we always let the republicans frame the debate. Enough.
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Jack Lantern
The Orange One
01:54 PM on 07/15/2011
Agreed!! It's what Bill Maher always complains about. He, and you, are correct.

Dems need to "grow some".
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Dvmx
01:40 PM on 07/15/2011
Mr. Strickland, please consider challenging Obama in the primaries.
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Jack Lantern
The Orange One
01:57 PM on 07/15/2011
I doubt the party would consider him, but Mr. Strickland should be somewhere in the public eye....Like out front, since he's answerable to no one. He has less to lose, not being in public office.
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Donald Fannin
provocatuer
01:24 PM on 07/15/2011
Ted Strickland is a real Democrat not like Obama. Obama needs to go, preferably now before he does any real harm to the country. There are no jobs and he doesn't care. His administration answer is we will cut your taxes again next year. It is obvious to everyone who doesn't have a job that they aren't paying in payroll taxes. How does that help? Isn't that the Republican answer to everything? Now he is taking Medicare and turning it into a Welfare Program. Cut, cut, chop chop.

Please Mr. President if you are not able to act like a member of the Party who elected you, if you are not able to support Democratic platforms and positions of the last 80 years, just go. Don't wait for the elections go now!!!
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JoAnnCr
01:24 PM on 07/15/2011
Would Ted Strickland challenge Obama in 2012?
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thelonegunman
01:22 PM on 07/15/2011
troubling?

how about shocking?
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padoodle
01:18 PM on 07/15/2011
Since the Conservatives are so powerful with their many "think tanks" and their ownership of much of the media, and so many Americans not paying attention until it bites them in their you-know-what, it seems the only thing left is for conservatives to get control and show their stipes... which woudl really convince Americans that they don't care about running our gov't for "the people, " only themselves, which would force the people to pay attention. Of course this woudl led to chaos, pitchforks, and much more. Sad that so few see the goals of the conservatives. But that's the same thing that happened before Germany went off the deep end.