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'Carmageddon' Could Curb Carbon Dioxide Emissions -- Or Cause Them To Climb

Carmageddon

First Posted: 07/15/11 09:09 PM ET Updated: 09/14/11 06:12 AM ET

On an average July weekend, 500,000 cars drive on I-405 in the Sepulveda Pass. But this is no average weekend: "Carmageddon" has descended on Los Angeles.

The big question is just how bad it will get -- particularly whether spooked Angelenos will stay off the highways and keep to their own neighborhoods, or perhaps take buses and subways instead. If that happens, maybe this weekend's repair work could help avert climate catastrophe. HuffPost asked experts at University of California, Berkeley for some back-of-the-envelope calculations on what it could all mean for California's carbon emissions.

For every gallon of gas we burn, we put about 19.4 pounds of CO2e (carbon dioxide plus equivalent greenhouse gases) into the air. If all of those 500,000 cars that take the 405 simply stayed off the road altogether, the Berkeley researchers said, that would mean a reduction equivalent to 4.7 million pounds of carbon dioxide. (That figure is based on what Google Maps estimates is the 9.9 mile distance of the closed 405 stretch; it also assumes that people would avoid the road in both directions, although a southbound portion of the 405 will remain open).

But getting the carbon calculation right isn't quite so easy. It's not very likely that all of the people who would have otherwise driven around will instead stay home. Many will take some elaborate detours instead (and they might even expend more carbon dioxide in the process).

Caltrans officials did not respond to a request for details on car ridership estimates for the weekend. Eliot Rose, the deputy director of the Center For Resource Efficient Communities (CREC) at Berkeley, suggested comparing "Carmageddon" to the emergency closure of the San Francisco - Oakland Bay Bridge over Labor Day weekend in 2009. Back then, overall vehicle miles traveled in Bay Area dropped 3.7 percent.

If you compared the size of the Bay Bridge to the 405 in the Sepulveda Pass, Rose said, you would expect a 0.3 percent decrease in vehicle miles traveled in Los Angeles. Do the math and you would then expect a total decrease equivalent to a big-sounding number: 1.6 million pounds of carbon dioxide.

But don't feel too triumphant, green warriors: That number sounds large, but it's only the equivalent of about 1,000 round-trip flights between New York and Los Angeles.

And the math, which has plenty of caveats already, doesn't end there. It's very hard to predict what will actually happen this weekend. Over email, Rose's colleague William Eisenstein, the executive director of the CREC, cautioned that if too many people "take their trips anyway and go by a different route, there is actually a decent likelihood that carbon emissions could go up, not down, as a result of 'Carmageddon.' Presumably when driving, people normally choose the fastest route between two points. If the 405 closure diverts them to longer routes, they might be on the road longer, and hence burn more gas and emit more carbon."

JetBlue is also doing its part to keep carbon climbing: The sold-out flights it's offering this weekend between Burbank and Long Beach will generate about 22 pounds of carbon dioxide per passenger.

This weekend's 405 closure might not be that great of a forecast of a less car-dependent future for Los Angeles, said Ethan Elkind, a climate change research fellow at Berkeley. He has studied a state law designed to curb sprawl, and said that while "it's not too late" for Los Angeles to move away from cars, it's "never going to be the kind of classic layout" of European or even other American cities.

Elkind added that when he used to live in Los Angeles, he frequently found himself stuck on the freeway. "I knew one guy," he said, "who actually brought a portable television with him for traffic on the 405 so he could watch the Lakers game when he got stuck. I hope that's atypical, for safety's sake."

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On an average July weekend, 500,000 cars drive on I-405 in the Sepulveda Pass. But this is no average weekend: "Carmageddon" has descended on Los Angeles. The big question is just how bad it will g...
On an average July weekend, 500,000 cars drive on I-405 in the Sepulveda Pass. But this is no average weekend: "Carmageddon" has descended on Los Angeles. The big question is just how bad it will g...
 
 
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lhanderson86
02:15 PM on 07/18/2011
I grew up in LA. I'm 25 years old, and there is not a time I can remember that the 405 wasn't under some kind of construction. Here's a better idea:

Instead of widening the freeways, why doesn't LA invest in PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

They have a subway that doesn't go very far. They have a light rail that doesn't go very far. They have a bus system very few people use.

Throw a light rail or rapid transit track down the center of the freeways, make sure it goes to the beach, downtown, and most importantly, THE AIRPORT.
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Scott Zwartz
12:14 AM on 07/18/2011
A person who puts his mouth on the tail pipe of a diesel bus and inhales is mad. In a way that it what many Angelenos do every day. They go out on the roads and freeways gulping in huge volumes of toxic fumes. Just as one does not have to suck off a diesel engine, one need not spend so much time on the freeways. I suspect bicycles are getting a considerably higher dose of poison.

What is the alternative? Although people see it every day and use the basic technology habitually, like the Aztecs who used the wheel only for children's toys, Angelenos cannot adapt present technology to reduce air pollution.

We ignore the most common transportation -- Virtual Presence [Cisco's TelePresence]. According to Los Angeles' 1993 Study on Telecommuting, traffic would be reduced by 30% if were developed Virtual Presence [VP]. Think of VP as the present craze to downside everything as a craze to enlarge everything – three-D wall size monitors rather than tiny cell phone images allow us to virtually travel any where.

For example, if a bride in Van Nuys wants to go shopping with her mother in Ohio and her sister in Hawaii, they each use their avatar to enter the same Virtual Bridal salons. Rather than the "lists" which pass as on-line stores today, VP stores allow patrons to walk together down virtual aisles and try on virtual dresses and to discuss the dresses (and everything else) with each other.

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Scott Zwartz
12:22 AM on 07/18/2011
continuation...

Businessmen can meet their Westwood lawyer and their Pasadena accountant in VP rather than driving to the offices. Attorneys can attend court hearings without leaving their offices. Many doctor visits can be conducted via VP. A huge number of businesses can run without employees in one place or without them arriving at the same time. A secretary can distribute the e-mails and do the filing to the Server from her home after she has taken the kids to school. Most secretarial work can be done via VP. With VP, a major motivator to get into the car will be to interact with live human beings. We are talking about a 30% reduction in traffic – not about holding people hostage in their homes.

With a 30% reduction in local traffic by implementing VP, LA would not need another inch of freeway or subway. Why hasn’t L.A. implement VP? The 1993 study also predicted a 30% reduction in new high rises. Thus, Mayor Riordan 86'ed the study so that LA could continue to give billions of dollars to build more and more office buildings which would require more freeways and then subways. In order to subsidize the barons of 19th Century technology, LA turned its back on 21st Century technoloy.

The major psychological shift is to re-orient ourselves from our infatuation with the very small to the super large. I wonder if the Aztecs had an anti-wheel lobby?
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DrObvious
dissatisfied 99%er
10:55 PM on 07/16/2011
LA is already way past where emissions should be for human health.  

What ever the effects of the highway closure,  way too much petrochemical exhaust will be generated.

The variations around carmageddon may be insignificant by comparison
09:30 PM on 07/16/2011
Californians will be able to breath some fresh air for the next 50 hours. LAX take advantage.
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quillsinister
09:39 AM on 07/17/2011
Most of California breathes fresh air every day. Los Angeles isn't the entire state.
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Kassandra
Idiot savant artistic genius
08:24 PM on 07/16/2011
I thought they were fixing a bridge? Is this some sort of test instead?
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Scott Zwartz
12:24 AM on 07/18/2011
No test. The are widening the 405 Freeway between the San Fernando Valley and the Westside and in order to demolish the Mulholland Bridge, they need to close the freeway for the weekend. Angelenos were well prepared and handled this 10 miles stretch of freeway being closed very easily.
03:00 PM on 07/16/2011
If you're in Los Angeles, here are five ways to cope with carmageddon : http://tinyurl.com/67tt4ff
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lel737
cut spending-cut taxes!
11:30 AM on 07/16/2011
we need to do better with pollution..but we also need to do it a way that helps..not hurts us..thats why the public hates the Liberal Baggers.. they dont want the silly drama..
doinaheckuvanutjob
Monsanto stole my micro-bio & put in GMO's
08:13 PM on 07/16/2011
Please provide factual verification that the public hates the 'liberal baggers'. Also, define a liberal bagger, and define silly drama.

I bet by the time you're finished doing so, it will be quite clear that you haven't a clue nor a care about the environment and actual nuances of policy.
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Scott Zwartz
12:27 AM on 07/18/2011
I am a member of the public and I hate liberal baggers. Ken Deitweiler for example is one. So is everyone associated with railLA
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DrObvious
dissatisfied 99%er
11:02 PM on 07/16/2011
you could have left it at "..not hurts us.."    and started a civil conversation

instead you project on to the public some nonsense.  

tsk
10:05 AM on 07/16/2011
This is headline news? Remember during the 1984 Olympiad and the promoters were soaking their nappies in fear of a total freeway gridlock? Didn't happen. Monday night, this will be a
real non-event.
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Ken Detweiler
08:33 AM on 07/16/2011
Close it permanently if we're serious about curbing global warming, not to mention dependence on foreign oil (not in my back yard :-/).
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Scott Zwartz
12:25 AM on 07/18/2011
Oh yes. Virtual Presence reduces use of oil by 30%. VP is wiser than giving up on life.
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EcoHustler
www.ecohustler.co.uk
06:28 AM on 07/16/2011
Fresh Air Flash Mob Debrief:

An activists account of blocking the roads in London

http://www.ecohustler.co.uk/2011/07/14/fresh-air-flash-mob-debrief/
SamEasy
You really don`t want to know.
01:28 AM on 07/16/2011
And Cheney insisted that nothing will interfere with how Americans use (or abuse) oil. It is our God-given right to live as we all please. No matter what it costs.
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03:53 AM on 07/17/2011
Haha. Next stop, $200/barrel. It's only a matter of time.
In 20 years it might be $800 when Saudi Arabia runs out.
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08:47 AM on 07/17/2011
Its never been a right given to you by anyone, especially not God, to rape our planet. And the costs you speak of will effect others. Thinking about the future of the planet we will leave for the children of today.... that is our God given right. Its more a matter of evolution. Have you evolved yet?
09:47 AM on 07/17/2011
stupid premise.
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skyslimit
01:28 AM on 07/16/2011
Should LA really be having any opinion on carbon emissions whatsover?
12:40 AM on 07/16/2011
I don't think I can convey the thrill of living rural. People around here consider it a traffic jam when more than 4 vehicles are ahead of them at one of the lights on the main road going through town! Usually happens on a Saturday.
In no way shape or form do I miss living in a fair sized city i.e. Seattle, Denver, San Diego, Nashville (TN) or DC. The nearest Lowe's or Home Depot is 100+ miles away: North, South, East or West. Although, I am thankful for internet shopping and have the patience to wait for large items (flooring, cabinets) until they offer Free Shipping.
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skyslimit
01:28 AM on 07/16/2011
I ride a bike, all problems solved.
06:38 PM on 07/16/2011
How many sheets of plywood can you carry on that bike?
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Scott Zwartz
12:37 AM on 07/18/2011
what about the lung disease by breathing in all the toxic fumes?
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Scott Zwartz
12:46 AM on 07/18/2011
You are living on the cutting edge of Virtual Presence. VP is in its infancy with the Internet. When we stop downsizing gadgets and supersize to 3-D wall monitors with zooming cameras, you will be so very very overjoyed at moving away. With VP you will be able to visit your parents in Chicago and your children in San Diego a the same time. Of course, you won't visit your parents as much s they want and you will visit your children more than they want. All technologies have their unique problems.

Once VP spreads, millions will follow you away from the decaying urban centers -- something I imagine you will hate -- so buy as much land around you now while your can afford it. As soon as VP allows it, millions more will flee the dirt, grime and crime that has become Los Angeles in the last 12 years.

VP will become a major mode of transportation allowing people to move to far more desirable places than the tenements being build by the CRA in Los Angeles.
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saltpeter
There are no jobs in my Va Jay Jay. I checked.
12:35 AM on 07/16/2011
Maybe if LA had a truly world class mass transit system, this wouldn't happen.
lcpnr
American conservative
12:43 AM on 07/16/2011
ok-maybe you're not smarter than this-
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saltpeter
There are no jobs in my Va Jay Jay. I checked.
12:50 AM on 07/16/2011
And maybe you're just making excuses as to why LA is not a WORLD CLASS CITY with WORLD CLASS AMENITIES.
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lhanderson86
02:32 PM on 07/18/2011
How is advocating for a proper mass transit system stupid exactly? I think it's stupid to sit in your car for an hour on a freeway while averaging a speed of 7mph.

Have you ever been in rush-hour traffic in LA?
lcpnr
American conservative
12:45 AM on 07/16/2011
saltpeter isn't supposed to dull the brain-
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saltpeter
There are no jobs in my Va Jay Jay. I checked.
12:58 AM on 07/16/2011
But fake conservatives ARE supposed to make excuses for failure. I see you're an expert.
lcpnr
American conservative
12:32 AM on 07/16/2011
The progressives won't be happy until only they can drive cars-they'll do thier best to outlaw them for all of us-bo will see to it with the epa-
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saltpeter
There are no jobs in my Va Jay Jay. I checked.
12:35 AM on 07/16/2011
This has nothing to do with the PROGRESSIVES. This has to do with FIXING A LONG NEGLECTED HIGHWAY.
lcpnr
American conservative
12:42 AM on 07/16/2011
with bo's union buddies getting premium pay (time and a half-at least) for shutting down a major road-costing citizens time and gas money while they sit in traffic for repairs that should have been done years ago,but the money was taken to fund social programs and the article is about the emissions?
You are smarter than this-
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quillsinister
05:40 AM on 07/16/2011
Yes, all highway repairs everywhere are a part of the liberal conspiracy to take your cars, and maybe also your guns somehow. It's a fact!