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Debt Ceiling Fight May Help Obama Win Independent Voters In 2012

Barack Obama Debt Ceiling 2012 Election

By CHARLES BABINGTON   07/17/11 11:26 AM ET   AP

WASHINGTON -- It's possible the debt-ceiling debate will turn out badly for President Barack Obama. For now, however, it may be helping his image with a vital group: independent voters, who have decided the last several elections.

He's certainly playing to them.

"It's important for the American people that everybody in this town set politics aside, that everybody in this town set our individual interests aside, and we try to do some tough stuff. And I've already taken some heat from my party for being willing to compromise," Obama said Friday as he delivered a message to Republicans worried about angering the GOP's right flank.

"My expectation and hope is, is that everybody, in the coming days, is going to be willing to compromise," he said pointedly.

Over the past week, Obama repeatedly has positioned himself as someone willing to make political sacrifices to reach a bipartisan accord and avoid a potentially disastrous default on U.S. obligations. He says some trims are needed to Social Security and Medicare, the safety-net programs dear to liberal Democrats. He also says an eventual package must include some tax increases, but only on the wealthiest Americans.

The reactions from GOP and Democratic leaders – they are worried about angering their conservative and liberal bases with a deal to raise the debt limit – are boosting Obama's image as a comparative centrist, a posture that could appeal to independent voters in next year's presidential election.

Republicans, especially in the House, are insisting on no tax increases at all as part of a debt-and-spending deal. Critics call it an extreme position, noting that U.S. tax revenues are at near-historic lows as a share of the overall economy.

Meanwhile, top Democrats including House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi have opposed Obama's proposal to scale back cost-of-living increases for Social Security recipients, among other changes to entitlement programs.

People following the debate know that Obama "has been more than willing to make hard sacrifices to reach a compromise," said Matt Bennett of Third Way, a Democratic-leaning group that pushes for bipartisan accords and moderate policies.

No president can totally avoid blame if a debt crisis occurs and the economy falters, Bennett said. But independent voters, who typically dislike partisan quarrels, are more likely to be drawn to Obama's approach, he said.

"They say polarization is bad for the country," Bennett said, "and extreme ideology is a road to nowhere."

Polling by the Pew Research Center suggests that unaligned voters are increasingly alarmed about the prospects of failing to raise the debt ceiling by Aug. 2. Their mood could help Obama next year if he can build and sustain an image as an accord-seeking leader trying to protect average Americans.

Two months ago, Pew found that independents, by 49 percent to 34 percent, were more fearful that raising the debt ceiling would lead to higher government spending, as opposed to chiefly fearing the harmful effects of keeping the ceiling unchanged. This month, independents split evenly on the question.

Both parties prize independent voters, who have proven volatile. They voted heavily for Obama and other Democrats in 2008. Last fall, they swung just as heavily toward Republicans, handing them control of the House and several governorships and state legislatures.

Democratic strategists believe Obama alienated many independent voters during the fierce battle over health care in 2009 and 2010. As the debate turned increasingly partisan, Obama and his Democratic allies in Congress used tough parliamentary tactics to pass the massive legislation with no Republican help.

Republicans assailed the Democrats' maneuvers in last fall's elections, to great effect.

Democratic insiders hope Republicans now are losing their grip on unaligned voters by making a similar mistake: taking a no-compromise stand on the federal debt issue, and prompting taunts that they favor millionaires over working-class people.

But Scott Reed, who managed Bob Dole's 1996 presidential campaign, says Democrats are overstating Obama's chances to attract independent voters during the debt ceiling showdown.

"The Republican leadership in Congress is effectively laying this on Obama's doorstep," Reed said. "He's the one who has recommended budgets with deficits as far as the eye can see. It's Obama's issue, it's his fault."

Reed said some Republican presidential candidates who have distanced themselves from GOP lawmakers on the debt and spending issue "are going to have to move right on this" to appeal to the party's caucus and primary voters.

That's precisely the step that Democratic strategists believe will help Obama in next year's general election, when independents will look for candidates focused on solutions, not party loyalty.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell warned of such an outcome last week, saying a failure to raise the debt ceiling might be blamed on Republicans, thus helping Obama and other Democrats in 2012.

Obama would say Republicans made the economy worse, McConnell told radio host Laura Ingraham, and "it is an argument that he could have a good chance of winning."

White House aides say Obama cares more about the nation's welfare than his re-election. But the president undoubtedly has eyes on both the current debate and the 2012 campaigns.

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., said that at the end of a testy White House exchange with the president on Wednesday, Obama told him: "Eric, don't call my bluff. I'm going to the American people with this."

The "American people" who are up for grabs on Election Day are mostly independents. Obama's allies hope they see the president as the adult in the room in the debt ceiling confrontation, and will reward that role 16 months from now.

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WASHINGTON -- It's possible the debt-ceiling debate will turn out badly for President Barack Obama. For now, however, it may be helping his image with a vital group: independent voters, who have decid...
WASHINGTON -- It's possible the debt-ceiling debate will turn out badly for President Barack Obama. For now, however, it may be helping his image with a vital group: independent voters, who have decid...
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dianhow 07:11 PM on 07/17/2011
Great news Independents determine who wins . R & D tend to vote party line GOP does not deserve anyone's vote due to what 2010 Bagger Congress who ran on jobs but did zip for jobs..all they've done is demand more and more corp cuts- .while cutting our kids education, old- sick in nursing homes on medicaid after spending all they had - yes even cutting funds for the disabled , school lunches. That's  Read More...
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FACTISFACT
A war veteran. Finally retired
09:03 AM on 07/20/2011
I have gone through the article, though there is slight deviation with passing of the bill I find the basic things remained unchanged and the expectation there in envisaged would come true which is more than 100 per cent confirmed.

Whatever scenario the Republicans are trying to depict about the President will end up in fiasco and rebuffs to the Republicans.

Because of fact for their inhuman thinking about poor and Middle class compatriots, those who voted them to become Senators and Congressional Representative treated them as street beggars kicked them out of the door and welcomed the rich.

The Republicans should know they said, "Every dog has its own turn to bite", finally, they said they would wait until then.
batguano
As Long As Grass Grow, Wind Blow & The Sky Is Blue
07:23 AM on 07/20/2011
Some say a person is what they say; I say a person is what they fight for. We see Republicans (almost all) fighting for the top 1-3% of Americans, obscene profits for the rich, powerful and corporate interests, and they will tell you they are going to fight for them, to your disadvantage, to your face. Democrats (many) will tell you they are fighting for you, but will vote against your best interests behind your back, behind closed-doors, or “compromise” that is really capitulation; the truth is they both must serve their corporate masters and the uber-wealthy to gain campaign contribution cash that has become the determining factor in our obscene and subverted our democratic electoral process, where profits and money take precedence over the common good, justice and common sense; I suspect this "debt crisis" is only more of the same; a vast scam to further enlarge the wealth of the few over the many. The bottom-line, IMO, is that the power of money and the top 1-3% of Americans who control most of the money have taken control of our electoral process and thus disenfranchised the vast majority of Americans. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
03:19 AM on 07/20/2011
The thing that will impress centrist voters most will be the performance of the economy. The Repub cuts will tank the economy and increase unemployment, so by trying to out-Repub the Repubs with his "grand" compromise, Obama becomes the cutter-in-chief. However, since cuts will almost surely tank the economy next year, Obama will probably end up losing the majority of centrist voters, who want a president who can get the country out of the recession, not more deeply into it. Big cuts now will hurt the recovery. Period.
08:14 AM on 07/19/2011
Squabbles notwithstanding, America's 2-party system effectively died years ago. From Clinton to Obama, the Democratic Party is now a near mirror image of the Republican Party. Indeed, they comprise something I call, REPUBLICRATS, where now at-least, a Democratic POTUS is heading the GOP, both aligned at the core of political philosophies. Understandably, the current deficit/debt talks present the illusion of 2 parties. But their public discord hides what usually occurs - cohesion around fundamental directions e.g., war, low taxes for the rich, hardline of Reagan's mythical welfare mom who drains the economy, Middle East dominance, media consolidation, industry bailouts whenever necessary, financial reforms that leave the big issues alone, etc, etc, etc.

http://dld.bz/ReflectionsOnClinton
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josie klapper
Who can I piss-off today?
06:34 AM on 07/20/2011
pretty much, both "sides" have the same OWNERS, and it ain't the American People...
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StillIRise
The past, present and future are one
01:44 PM on 07/20/2011
No, I didn't forget Strom Thurmond's and Jesse Helm's roots. They were both southern segregationist Democrats. However, after the 1964 Civil Rights Act was passed, these Democrats - known by then as the Dixiecrats - were so incensed with the notion of equality between the races and a federally-imposed integration, that they left the Democratic Party, which they felt had betrayed them, and we all know where they ended up! They ended up with people whose worldview was like their own ... they ended up as Republicans!
batguano
As Long As Grass Grow, Wind Blow & The Sky Is Blue
08:03 AM on 07/19/2011
As usual this president has, & is putting the heath of the super-rich, corporations & bankers ahead of the people; triangulation politics, the quest for the ever-increasing campaign contributions & courting/shilling-for, those few who can afford to spend billions to influence/buy elections, policy & legislation for their own bottom-line & wealth. As others have said this “crisis” is manufactured for the benefit of a few over the many; for-profit wars waste trillions; the arms-industry, MIC & “security” apparatus grows. Where was the “crisis” of health care, housing losses for millions, the environment, & the prosecutions of the greed-driven few who created the current economic “downturn” in the first place? This is a blatant re-allocation of wealth & power to the most self-interested among us when millions are suffering. This is yet another betrayal of the people for the uber-wealthy & bankers who prey on the people, & Obama is their representative; of course the hysteria will prevail, probably. The obscene burden on our nation, & much of the world, by bankers as interest payments & “debt” skim-off the cream; the rest of us are left with the dregs; the few live lives of opulence & ease while the vulnerable, struggling just to survive are targeted for more taxes, fees & local government abuses; a pathetic “leadership” by both Republicans & Democrats to continue the status of millions as wage-slaves & serfs to a system of greed & abandonment of basic principles of the Common Good & justice.
12:55 AM on 07/19/2011
In just a few days, we will discover our latest archaeological find - Debt CAVEMAN! What name will he have? Cantor, Boehner, Obama? Who?
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
10:09 PM on 07/18/2011
Sorry misfire,

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-19/treasury-five-to-30-spread-near-widest-this-year-on-debt-ceiling-concern.html

defaulting means treasury notes/bonds don't get paid.

SS is in treasury notes: the safest investment the world has known for 70 years, and the tea party GOP folks want to lose that.

Ya'll GOP voters know these guys ain't your fathers Ike, right? These modern GOP hate3 the republic and want the rich to rule like they did before the revolution.,

http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/
Not the DLC corporatist anti-populist folks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
10:05 PM on 07/18/2011
I am seeing a serious misunderstanding go what the default is all about:

Default means treasury notes do not get reimberused.
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IFany
move forward or die
10:09 PM on 07/18/2011
Social Security holds more of this nations debt than China, It's a monstrous thing to even comtemplate
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
10:13 PM on 07/18/2011
FF. Bingo! Why isn't Obama and the Dems shouting this? Hopefully my other comment got through. China, the big bad China only has 5% of the USA external debt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Estimated_ownership_of_treasury_securities_by_year.gif
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IFany
move forward or die
09:58 PM on 07/18/2011
Having Fox news as a resource for stupidity has embolden the right wing to be belligerently ignorant
nofoolsteaforme
I do just fine thank you. I don't get paid to post
10:16 PM on 07/18/2011
I like that line, so true. It explains a lot of what I hear from loud mouth no nothings.
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StillIRise
The past, present and future are one
01:46 PM on 07/20/2011
Belligerently, even boastfully, ignorant!
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IFany
move forward or die
08:55 PM on 07/18/2011
With today's campaign finance figures anyone can extrapolate a trend, The President gained another record of nearly 45 million dollars, most of those donations were under 250 dollars, While his nearest Republican challenger Romney had 16 million, and out of the figure 6.6% were small donations, most came from Wall St. anyone with third grade math skills can rationalize what that means in voters. and the public's sentiments
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Rasebiho
You're getting tea. Do you want sugar or lemon?
09:01 PM on 07/18/2011
That Democrats know they're stuck with Obama, and Republicans haven't made up their mind yet?
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IFany
move forward or die
09:05 PM on 07/18/2011
The Republican minds that have been displayed since his election seem rather made up from day one
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IFany
move forward or die
09:11 PM on 07/18/2011
I failed to mention that the RNC is in debt at 16 million, down from the 25 million since the new RNC president took over
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bayarea000
05:00 PM on 07/18/2011
i don't for a minute believe in these so called "independents". i would love to see a poll or survey of how truly independent these voters really are. does anybody know of one?
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Bebe36
Grateful for every day.
04:54 PM on 07/18/2011
Bush did not include the cost of two wars in his "budget."

Smoke and mirrors and lots of hypocrisy. That's what Republicans are made of.
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josie klapper
Who can I piss-off today?
06:24 AM on 07/20/2011
He also neglected to put Medicare D on his balance sheet. I wish I could keep things like my mortgage and light bill off mine....
04:10 PM on 07/18/2011
I'm a Independent and at this point in time I wouldn't vote for either party in 2012. This Debt Ceiling mess leaves much to be desired in leadership of both parties.
nofoolsteaforme
I do just fine thank you. I don't get paid to post
10:38 PM on 07/18/2011
Needing to raise the debt cieling is the result of not enough revenue to cover previously allocated spending. The time to negotiate the budget is every time any spending or tax bill is being debated. The Dept cieling has nothing to do with spending it has to do with being honest and paying the bills that are due.
There is nothing wrong with posturing and pointing out that Congress should balance the budget instead of deficit spending but not paying the bills when they come due is deadbeat and I don't like these Republicans making We the People act like deadbeats.
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Schalaine
We are women. We vote.
04:08 PM on 07/19/2011
What more would you have like to see President Obama do? I assume he is the one you are disappointed in.
02:36 PM on 07/18/2011
Anyone with an ounce of "a brain " can realize that the offerings on the republican side as a viable candidate for president is sorely lacking .
It is a " no brainer " that president Obama is the obvious choice for " Independents ", and thinking Americans who want to put America first , over " party ".....
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kcmookie
This is like a bad habit.....
02:41 PM on 07/18/2011
Yep. I am an Independent and every Republican I know claims I am a Democrat in hiding. Nope, I just value intelligence in my leaders....
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victorianism
Theultrathinnothingnesshasabeautifulendforusall.
08:18 AM on 07/19/2011
I think the Republicans you met are the smartest among Republicans since they have the brain to come to a conclusion that seems unlike ranting nonsense.
Sadly, I don't have that luck. All the Republicans I met are brainlessly bigoted. Even after I have told them that most liberals are now turning back to them, they still claim they are Republicans in deeper hiding than before.
02:35 PM on 07/18/2011
The repubs are holding back 2 trillion dollars , most of what the tax payers gave them , in order to bring America to it's knees to hurt Obama but Americans are coming to the presidents side to help him win again . Keep up the good work repubs . You are doing more to elect this president than the DNC >
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scottishboy
Born in the USA!
02:38 PM on 07/18/2011
Please explain?
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Bebe36
Grateful for every day.
07:11 PM on 07/18/2011
Explain what?

You really need to be specific if you want an answer.