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Debt Ceiling Puts House Republican Freshmen Between Rock And A Hard Place

House Gop Freshmen Debt Ceiling

DONNA CASSATA   07/19/11 10:22 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — House Republican freshmen are caught between rock-solid fiscal conservatism and a political hard place. The class of 2010 that lifted the GOP to its comfortable House majority pushed the leadership to a vote Tuesday on legislation that would slash spending by trillions of dollars and require a balanced budget constitutional amendment in exchange for an increase in the nation's borrowing limit.

At least a dozen freshmen spoke out for the bill during hours of House debate Tuesday.

"Washington has a spending addiction," insisted Rep. Rich Nugent, R-Fla.

Securing a vote was a hard-won victory consistent with the campaign promises that helped get the 87 GOP members elected in November.

But the measure's chances are poor in the Senate, setting the stage for a backup plan from congressional leaders that would allow the government to avoid an unprecedented default on Aug. 2.

That would force freshmen to back an increase in the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling, and several constituents are telling them not to do it.

"I'm actually being accused of selling out back home," Rep. Mick Mulvaney, R-S.C., said in an interview. "Some folks don't want to raise it under any circumstances. I tried to explain to them that this is the one chance to actually change Washington, so most folks will come around after we have that discussion."

The former state lawmaker who ousted the chairman of the House Budget Committee, Democrat John Spratt, said he was hearing from the "extreme right wing."

Solid backing of tea partyers helped propel several freshmen to Washington, boosting the candidacy of citizen-lawmakers such as car dealers, pizza shop owners, farmers and businessmen. The Tea Party Express on Tuesday made it clear they better stay in line, threatening GOP primary challenges to Republicans who support Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's alternative plan to give President Barack Obama the power to order an increase in the debt limit of up to $2.5 trillion over the coming year.

Another tea party group warned about the "disease of Republican compromise" infecting Washington and ceding to Obama's demands.

On the other side, freshmen Republicans face pressure from McConnell's sober assessment that failure to raise the debt ceiling could be blamed on Republicans and ensure another term for Obama in 2012. Separately, House Republicans are hearing from business owners who echo the dire warnings from economists and financial analysts about the ramifications of a government default.

The votes in the coming days could have widespread implications for GOP freshmen next year, determining whether they get a challenge from within the party in a primary or have to answer for their decisions in the general election.

A new CBS poll found the public had soured on both Obama and congressional Republicans in the debt talks, but the GOP got lower marks than the president.

Frustrated with the president, about 20 freshmen took a bus to the White House on Tuesday to press Obama to detail his deficit-cutting plan.

"We don't care about re-election. We're here to do the work and we're asking the president, `Put it in writing, let's debate it,'" said Rep. Tom Reed, R-N.Y. "We thought it was so important, we came here physically."

Scoffing at claims of economic calamity if the debt ceiling isn't raised, Rep. Mo Brooks, R-Ala., said such statements are "absolutely wrong" and "misleading the American people." Brooks argued that the government would still have enough revenue to pay its creditors.

"This is Barack Obama's debt, this is Barack Obama's debt ceiling," Brooks said, adding that Obama had been "AWOL" on the issue.

Neither Obama nor a White House official met with the group and they returned to the Capitol.

Rep. Vicky Hartzler, R-Mo., who owns an agriculture business with her husband, said business owners, bankers and others in her district are pushing for deep spending cuts.

"They understand this overwhelming debt is hurting our economy and impeding job creation so we need to rein in this runaway spending, get control of our debt so that we can grow and create jobs," Hartzler said in an interview.

The Missouri congresswoman said she hasn't heard specifically from tea partyers, but added, "My district was tea party before tea party was cool."

It's unclear how freshman Republicans will vote in the coming days if faced with a possible compromise that includes raising the debt limit.

Hartzler said she would vote "no, at this point." Mulvaney pointed out that for lawmakers who backed the so-called cut, cap and balance bill in the House, "there's a lot of latitude in some of those things."

The GOP freshmen are hardly monolithic on budget issues. In April, most of the 87 relented and voted for the compromise worked out by Obama and House Speaker John Boehner to keep the government running. Sixty of the 87 supported the package that included spending cuts of $38 billion, far less than the $61 billion many had pushed for, while 27 of the freshmen opposed it.

In February, House Republican freshmen led the charge in voting to cancel $450 million for an alternative engine for the next-generation F-35 fighter plane, going against Boehner and other House GOP leaders.

Whatever the spending cuts in any deal, Mulvaney offered an assessment of Washington after more than a half year in office.

"There's more smoke and mirrors in this town than a Barnum & Bailey circus when it comes to counting," he said.

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Associated Press writer Erica Werner contributed to this report.

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risktaker53
The right...is wrong!
07:06 AM on 07/20/2011
Do these people just not have any clue that they are doing the bidding of extremely greedy, dangerously powerful millionaires and billionaires who want nothing less than to shape our nation into one with only two classes...an elite moneyed class who owns and controls everything and an underclass of poor slobs who struggle their whole lives just to meet their most basic needs? Some would argue we are already there!
whatushouldvedone
A fighter for Justice...
02:14 PM on 07/20/2011
If republicans win in 2012 we will be there!
Again to everyone! Read the republican job creation bill!
You are giving up rights that will affect you daily during every minute of the day!
If you vote republicans in, this nations capital will be owned by big business and every crook and theif in between!

There is one thing I have lived my life by, hopefully I can pass it to you and others...
If you do not learn to think for yourself and outside of the norm, you will be a causualty of
this country's political greed and her death! Other countries are following every detail of this country's problems! You will be enslaved under the political scruteny of the republican party because it says so right in their agenda! Quote! No bill will be passed unless it has been
reviewed and approved if it has significant impact on the economy! Existing regulations that hender will be reviewed and addressed! This statement will change the course of this country's history! This country will become a monarcy!
Is this what you want! You will become a loyal subject under a brittish form of government!
11:38 PM on 07/19/2011
I know ALabama racks the lowest (or is that Mississippi) in education but somebody should educate Mo real quick about the debt ceiling, he's spouting misinformation.
10:49 PM on 07/19/2011
"We don't care about re-election...."

Yea, riiiiiight!
whatushouldvedone
A fighter for Justice...
02:16 PM on 07/20/2011
That statement was ment as a ploy to get you to believe them!
Of course they care!
They can't do their dirt to us if they don't get elected!
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nomoresoundbytes
vote...vote...vote...vote
03:56 PM on 07/20/2011
Absolutely! They have told us outright that they do! Which makes NO sense, as they aren't doing the people's bidding. If they can just make corporations voters, too, then they'd be in.
09:37 PM on 07/19/2011
Americans don't want the debt ceiling raised. They want government to be responsible with our tax dollars. Politicians spend and spend, but they have no accountability for doing so. It's not their money, it's ours. As this video (http://www.upyourservice.com/video-theater/service-culture-is-not-only-for-retail-and-hospitality-companies) points out, customer service is for everyone. It's time our elected officials learn that and do what they're asked ... not what they think is good for their careers!
MtnGeek
Partisan thinking is an oxymoron
11:39 AM on 07/20/2011
I'm sorry, who appointed you spokesperson for the American People? You are entitled to your opinions, you are not however entitled to claim your opinions are the opinion of the American People. Speak for yourself and only yourself.
whatushouldvedone
A fighter for Justice...
02:24 PM on 07/20/2011
Good luck with that! The reason behind a lot of our debt, we buy high or spend more to use up available funding to require a larger allotment for the next fisical year! Every city, state, and federally run agency does this, even businesses when they apply for funding or federal aide...
It's all about cheating the american tax payer...
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tbone0726
Liberty means freedom for all
09:35 PM on 07/19/2011
The Founding Fathers are probably rolling in their graves over these Republicant lugheads. When we default (and it's looking like we will) they will look at each other and say..it's not our fault!
whatushouldvedone
A fighter for Justice...
02:24 PM on 07/20/2011
Yep!
09:09 PM on 07/19/2011
"They understand this overwhelming debt is hurting our economy and impeding job creation so we need to rein in this runaway spending, get control of our debt so that we can grow and create jobs," Hartzler said in an interview. Well Miss Hartzler,you are from the show me state, so on August 2nd 2011, the Government shuts down. Maybe someone should suggest to President Obama to END all SUBSIDIES to all states. Then let us listen to those who are complaining about BIG Government, start complaing about NOT getting THEIR SUBSIDIES.
whatushouldvedone
A fighter for Justice...
02:38 PM on 07/20/2011
Hummm, very interesting point,
but what many fail to realize, the debt isn't what's impeding job creation!
Republicans scream this because, they want to keep subsidies for their base loyals!

Think about it! From 2004 through 2008 republicans had a field day spending, borrowing and
never cared to even address that none of their expenditures were paid for! They left us in one of this country's biggest debt holes and went on their mary way and said, it's your's figure it out! Mind you! Many of these say republican politicians are still seated in washington today! This crisis is about getting rid of President Obama! The moment he leaves republicans will resume, business as usual and so will businesses...
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nomoresoundbytes
vote...vote...vote...vote
04:26 PM on 07/20/2011
Smaller government, unless it benefits them.
08:36 PM on 07/19/2011
We need a reform party to focus on campaign reforms, lobbying reforms, enforcing regulations, and closing loopholes. Very short sighted of the Tea Party to just look at taxes.
MtnGeek
Partisan thinking is an oxymoron
11:44 AM on 07/20/2011
The Tea Party is just a puppet for corporate interests (even if they don't know that), so they will never go after real reform since that wouldn't suit their corporate benefactors.
whatushouldvedone
A fighter for Justice...
02:46 PM on 07/20/2011
Republicans just did that for you!
They've made campaign monies non tracable or unaccountable,
Lobbyist have more power over our government that the president
Republicans want to de-regulate everything from clean air to the food industry to medicine
Republicans created other loopholes to allow banks and other businessess to escape the regulations that the president put in place last year
And they don't want the wealthy to pay any taxs!
Thought you'd be happy about their misdeeds!
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rascal barquecat
250 words? That's not enough to complete a
08:25 PM on 07/19/2011
Hartzler, the Tea Party is a lot of things, most of them bordering on unmentionable in polite society, but it is not now nor has it ever been "cool."
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confuseddemocrat
08:24 PM on 07/19/2011
The GOPers planned this.

As early as December, they were hinting about using the debt ceiling and even shutting down the government as a negotiation ploy. 

Some even want us to default.....I don't believe they are worried at all or even feel trapped
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Bumpkins
09:08 PM on 07/19/2011
To me, they almost have a cult mentality. They all have the same talking points, closed minds to anything someone else says, have no clue that their actions could hurt millions of people, have almost a holy mission to save this country from...who knows..... and will never ever change there minds. These folks can be labeled extremists....no fanatics.
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confuseddemocrat
09:20 PM on 07/19/2011
yes they are very much cultists

Many have intertwined their political beliefs with their religion

They feel their positions are divinely inspired and thus immutable
MtnGeek
Partisan thinking is an oxymoron
11:46 AM on 07/20/2011
Wallstreet has already weighed in, if the GOP wants to keep getting their kick backs they'll pass the debt ceiling before the market tanks (and those fat Wallstreet bankers no longer have the money to bribe ... err lobby, congress).
08:12 PM on 07/19/2011
What's the difference between a tea bagger and a repub ? Nothing .
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rascalcat
Lover of liberal women and cheap wine.Or was it...
08:12 PM on 07/19/2011
It's hard when you have all these problems and a degree from Beck U.
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rascalcat
Lover of liberal women and cheap wine.Or was it...
08:10 PM on 07/19/2011
Too bad they don't have the nerve to stand up to the minority fringe that is the TP and truly represent their constituents that want this deal done by a margin of 2 to 1 per latest Wall Street Journal poll.
08:40 PM on 07/19/2011
I am a registered Democrat for almost 40 years. After hearing about these TP "crazies", I attended a TP rally to see who they were, and what they are about. Trust me, they are not what the media paints them to be. They are a cross section of decent, informed, educated, employed, patriotic Americans. They are your neighbors. It is a mistake to blow them off as lunatic fringe, to denigrate them, and, as well, to underestimate their numbers, and influence.
whatushouldvedone
A fighter for Justice...
02:55 PM on 07/20/2011
Hey, you get what you vote for!
08:04 PM on 07/19/2011
Class is being held in the cafeteria for all repub freshmen at 6:00pm to teach you how to write a bill and how a bill is passed . You are all required to be there , signed , Big Bird .
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DANIELISTICALL
HISTORY IS BUT A FABLE AGREED UPON,,NAPOLEON
07:54 PM on 07/19/2011
Freshmen? WE cal them rookies,,they will beleive anything the older dum mer republicans tell them,,,,AND IT IS SHOWING
wendy scott
never believe generalizations
07:53 PM on 07/19/2011
My husband was driving home last night and on NPR they had an interview with a farmer I think he was from Iowa. He said he was part of the Tea Party movement last summer and fall. He helped organize other farmers from his area and they all voted these_fools in. He said they are all horrified at what's happened and the prospect of them not voting to raise the debt ceiling. He said it would put him and other farmers out of business because of interest payments on their loans and the damage to the commodities market.

He said he voted for them to cut waste fraud and abuse not for them to take his business and the country over a cliff.