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NASA Astronaut Tracy Caldwell Dyson On The Challenges Women Face In Space

Nasa Astronaut Tracy Caldwell Dyson

First Posted: 07/19/11 08:15 PM ET Updated: 09/18/11 06:12 AM ET

The 1986 space shuttle Challenger disaster, which killed all seven crew members on board just 73 seconds into the flight, convinced Tracy Caldwell Dyson, then age 16, to become an astronaut.

As a teen passionate about science and close with her teachers, Dyson said she could relate to the high school teacher, Christa McAuliffe, who was on board the shuttle, and the buzzed-about launch piqued her interest in NASA. Her desire to become an astronaut only intensified following the explosion, which left her with the sense that a great deal was at stake for the agency.

“It felt like something was taken away from us and I didn’t want to see it destroyed,” she said of NASA’s space program. “I felt even more motivated to be a part of NASA and help rebuild it, even though I was only 16 at the time.”

Twenty-five years later, Dyson has been a NASA astronaut for more than a decade, logging nearly 200 days in space, including three spacewalks and six months aboard the International Space Station (ISS). She joined NASA after receiving a Ph.D. in physical chemistry at the University of California, Davis and a lengthy career as an electrician. Starting at age seven, Dyson worked with her father’s electrical contracting company doing “really simple stuff that little baby electricians do.” Then, in her twenties, she assisted him in bending conduit, installing sub panels and more for industrial and commercial clients.

Now, NASA’s future in space looks uncertain: Though American astronauts will continue to travel to the ISS, the agency recently launched its final space shuttle, marking the end of its 30-year shuttle program. NASA has no further shuttle launches planned. It scrapped its mission to return to the moon and has been instructed to encourage private sector space flight.

Dyson has not only been at the forefront of space exploration and forging new ground as one of a growing number of female NASA astronauts -- who still make up just 20 percent of the corps -- but she is also at the frontier of a new era for NASA, one in which the government agency will be increasingly reliant on private sector companies to shuttle its astronauts into space.

Though America will not, for the foreseeable future, bear witness to another NASA shuttle launch, Dyson remains optimistic that the agency’s past accomplishments and other endeavors will inspire future generations to pursue careers in space, as she once was.

“I hope that the next generations will remember everything that NASA has done, from its inception to now, even though the shuttle program is gone,” she said. “There’s still a lot out there to inspire people.”

In an exclusive interview for The Huffington Post’s Women in Tech series, Dyson shared her perspective on traveling to space, NASA’s future, the challenges of being a female astronaut, and more.

Do you get butterflies when you tell people you’re an astronaut?
Sometimes I get real tickled about it. It’s hard to keep a straight face when you’re doing something pretty routine, like filling out a form for something, and you have to list your occupation as “astronaut.” There are definitely moments when I’m sitting front row during some of the world’s most history-making events and it does kind of make me tingle.

How did going to space change you?
In the process of getting there, you learn a lot about your own limits because they get pushed quite a bit in the training. For example, there are days when we train for space walks in a pressurized suit that we wear underwater for no less than six hours. When you get out of that training experience, you pretty much feel like a truck hit you.

When you get into space, your breath is taken away by the enormity of what you’ve just accomplished and realizing how small you are compared to how many people came together to make that happen.

Being up in space 220 miles above the surface of the Earth and looking at the Earth passing by you at mach 25 is a humbling experience. And even more so when you have the opportunity to stare out the window for a while, and the sun sets, and you look out at the vastness of space. You get to fixate your eyes on the stars and you see them in a way you never see them on the Earth. You think about how long the human race has existed, all the way to the beginning of time, and how small a fraction actually get to see the Earth and the heavens from where you are -- that’s very humbling. That grips you, that stays with you for a lifetime.

What’s the greatest challenge you’ve faced as an astronaut?
You have to stay pretty flexible as an astronaut, especially at NASA because it’s at the mercy of each administration that comes in. You have to be willing to go with the ebbs and flows of what each administration wants to do with the organization.

As an astronaut personally, every day of your training, and even when you’re up in space, things change rapidly. The nature of the business is that things change, so you’ve got to be ready to roll with the punches and not get too attached to any one idea or any one plan.

Are there any unique challenges that women face as astronauts?
The personal hygiene aspects of being a woman can be a challenge. Flight suits weren’t designed with us in mind -- when you have to go to the bathroom, the whole flight suit has to come off. That’s not cool. Also, the toilet on board the ISS was designed by the Russians and as they have very few women in their corps, it was created with men in mind. We’re called upon to have a lot of fortitude in these cases. You have to make it work somehow.

What’s the most important quality for an astronaut to have?
I think what serves people well is having a really strong breadth of experience. That’s why the average age of NASA astronauts is somewhere in the 30s. We don’t take kids right out of college. The responsibility we place on astronauts is high, and you need to have a high level of maturity when you get to this stage to be able to handle all the things that get placed in your care.

The folks selected might come in with an expertise in a particular field, but they’ve demonstrated they’re self-starters: they can take on tasks on their own and motivate themselves to see the tasks through.

Why do we need to send people to space?
Going into space and exploring space is a must for developing new technology. It’s hard to get there, it’s hard to live there, and it’s hard to build in that environment. Yet by doing so, we develop things we never thought we needed down here -- but which make our lives better -- because we need them out there.

Do you have confidence that private companies will be able to send people to space soon?
I do. We’ve got really smart people out there. But what we don’t have in these companies is a lot of experience --that’s what NASA has. If NASA is allowed to stay involved in this process and contribute our experience, I’m hopeful that we’ll have some safe space vehicles.

What can we do to increase the number of women in tech?
I think the more we normalize these tech fields and skills for women, the less intimidated or inhibited women would be to try them at a young age. I don’t know what goes on in every household, but it never occurred to me that there was anything out there I couldn’t try or couldn’t do. My parents had plenty of opportunities to say to me, “girls don’t normally do that." I rode motorcycles, I worked with my dad with tools, I enjoyed sports -- but my parents didn’t put any limitations on me.

With all due respect, with all the effort we put into highlighting women in tech fields, I look forward to the day when it’s not so noteworthy, when it’s just normal.

What is the trend in tech that you find most concerning?
What’s most concerning to me -- and also the most encouraging -- is the immediacy that we have now with technology. It’s nice that we can now communicate rapidly and stay in touch with people. But the downside to such immediacy is that we’re trying to put so much more into a day. Where does the work stop?

What development in tech do you find most exciting?
What has really excited me the most to date are all the efforts around recycling and reusing what used to be called trash. People are putting money into coming up with ways to reuse the things we throw away, turning it around into products that are useful or in some way better for the environment. This has been an exciting and hopeful change.

SOUND BYTES: Tracy Caldwell Dyson on...

Her indispensable gadget: Her alarm clock

Her favorite app: "I sure like Dictionary.com, but we have a lot of flight planning tools and applications so you can look up the weather, file flight plans and check all the things that you need to do before you’d hop on a plane."

Her "required reading:" The Bible

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The 1986 space shuttle Challenger disaster, which killed all seven crew members on board just 73 seconds into the flight, convinced Tracy Caldwell Dyson, then age 16, to become an astronaut. As a t...
The 1986 space shuttle Challenger disaster, which killed all seven crew members on board just 73 seconds into the flight, convinced Tracy Caldwell Dyson, then age 16, to become an astronaut. As a t...
 
 
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06:12 PM on 07/23/2011
The fact that they never actually designed a space suit for women really sucks. I thought NASA had it together better than that. Good riddance.
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Patrick Flannery
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09:54 AM on 07/21/2011
On one hand we know, with certainty, that at some point in the future this planet will be rendered uninhabitable by humans. Therefore, we must do everything we can to develop the capability to leave this planet and live elsewhere.

On the other hand, we have no idea how far into the future the cataclysmic event/events/process will take place, and there is a very low probability that it will be soon. So a case can always be made that it does not make sense to spend the money to develop manned spaceflight now.

We owe it to future generations to spend what we can afford (which is at least NASA's budget now and probably much more) to keep learning how to travel through space.
01:36 PM on 07/20/2011
sending humans into space costs 10x more per pound than non human robots

the robots can do much, if not all, the experiments that humans do and without the need for risking human lives or spending 10x the money to do so
06:44 PM on 07/20/2011
So what? So what if manned space exploration is consider too expensive by pinheads and ignorant a$$es like you? It’s harmless and beautiful and inspiring. It contributes to human knowledge and elevates our estimation of our own species.

I know a lot of people will raise the objection that *any* space program -- manned or unmanned -- is a pretty frivolous and costly enterprise. They'll whine we should be spending that money on health care / education / poverty, instead. To these well-meaning people, who think they're making a valid point, I respectfully suggest that you please go take a flying leap off a low-gravity planetoid.

Here's the dirty little secret that no one wants to admit, let alone talk about: We aren’t ever going to spend that money on health care/education/poverty, etc. because no one in power in this country actually cares about those things. And as long as we’re not going to spend it on that stuff, why not spend it on science?
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
09:02 PM on 07/20/2011
John F Kennedy didn't send a robot to the moon. He sent a man to the moon. That was perhaps humanities finest accomplishment. Think big, bogey. It is not all about counting your beans.
12:58 PM on 07/20/2011
Don't you all realize by now that NASA actually is short for: Never A Straight Answer.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
09:03 PM on 07/20/2011
No, really?
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spoonbill1963
12:26 PM on 07/20/2011
Not another one of these stories again......
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
09:04 PM on 07/20/2011
If you have a problem with it why are you here?
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spoonbill1963
12:48 PM on 07/22/2011
I'm here because I'm not all there.
11:24 AM on 07/20/2011
It's sad that the shuttle program will be shutting down soon, if only we used some of that defense budget for NASA this wouldn't have happened. Interesting stat I found: USA has the highest defense budget out of all countries (duh). It's so high that if we combine country 2 all the way to country 17th, they still don't reach us.
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cyberfringe
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11:53 AM on 07/20/2011
NASA's annual budget = $18 Billion

The cost of providing air conditioning to tents in Afghanistan and Iraq for the troops for one year = $20 B

I think our "defense" budget is completely unreal. Wrong priorities.

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01:41 PM on 07/20/2011
much more profit in the war business than in the space exploration business

can you even imagine how many bullets the u.S. military has gone thru in the 2 wars and how much fuel?

no wonder halliburton is moving their offices to Dubai - no pesky accounting rules and that way they can get Dick Cheney his 30,000,000 pieces of silver
11:09 AM on 07/20/2011
If we are ever to make space travel a reality, we need more visionaries and leadership that will pave the way.
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cyberfringe
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
11:57 AM on 07/20/2011
I don't think there is a shortage of visionaries. I worked on space exploration for over 20 years. The problem is that the nail that sticks up gets pounded down. NASA as currently administered is a jobs program, primarily for Alabama, Texas, Florida, Miss., Maryland and Ohio. I once had a NASA Assoc. Admin. tell me, "You don't get it .... the purpose of NASA is to efficiently distribute money to congressional districts." I quit. With that kind of attitude, NASA was going no where. I am glad President Obama killed the shuttle and the Constellation program. That is the kind of leadership needed right now.
11:04 AM on 07/20/2011
I was hoping that humans would be traveling space, in ships like the Enterprise by now. WTF
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ls1z28chris
We're on the side of the demons, chief.
10:38 AM on 07/20/2011
Why weren't the pressing questions asked? 1) What is your husband's favorite sandwich? 2) How do you keep your period blood out of the sensitive electronic equipment?

Nah, just kidding. Her answer to the "How did going to space change you?" question explains why we need to continue manned space missions. Too bad Bush killed that idea and Obama buried it behind the shed.
11:04 AM on 07/20/2011
space PMS is the worst. there's nowhere to run...
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cyberfringe
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11:57 AM on 07/20/2011
I'm laughing, but beware, this is a discussion that will get us all in big trouble!
Bianca S
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03:14 PM on 07/20/2011
lol
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Nosybear
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09:56 AM on 07/20/2011
Republicans will deny it funding for the same reason the Church attempted to imprison Galileo: They might discover something that disagrees with dogma. And putting rockets into space to learn things reeks of (horrors!) INVESTMENT. That money can be better spent making Rupert Murdoch richer. Besides, if there were a profit in going into space, private firms would already be doing it, not that exploration funded by Government ever returned anything (hey, didn't Spain fund Columbus's purely exploratory voyage that resulted in discovery of the Americas? Didn't my No Child Left Behind American History class mention these guys named Lewis and Floorwax that Reagan funded to explore California?). Republicans oppose it, period. It's not in their ideology. Listening to a story on Theodore Roosevelt last night, I wonder where the Republican Party went wrong.
10:31 AM on 07/20/2011
As a statistician, you may be interested in this poll:

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/vault/Harris-Interactive-Poll-Research-Taxes-and-Spending-2007-04.pdf

Note on page 3 that more Democrats are willing to cut the space program than Republicans.
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Waterlooboy
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11:02 AM on 07/20/2011
That's what I always believed. Generally speaking, Democrats would rather spend tax money at home on social issues. Republicans see the space program as one place we really should invest in.
07:59 PM on 07/20/2011
That's not the statistic that bothers me with this Harris poll, jsarets -- especially since I have no love for either political party (they're all idiots).

What bothers me about this four-year old poll are the closed-minded citizens in this country who choose to cut spending for the space program by nearly a 2:1 margin over Welfare, Defense spending and Farm subsidies when those budgets are considerably larger with even lesser returns on investment.

Sure, let's cut NASA because it consumes one-half of one percent of the total federal budget, which creates well-paying, livable wage, middle-class jobs for scientists, engineers, technicians, machinists, etc., as well as numerous innovations and spin-off industries (not to mention a better understanding of our planet, solar system and universe), on the misguided notion that this is the best source for balancing our nation's debt, or providing extra funding for yet more social entitlements.

For that matter, Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid -- the items that are at the very bottom of the Harris Poll list that no one has the guts to reform, let alone cut -- accounts for about $1.4 trillion per year (not including things like welfare, food stamps, public education, etc.), whereas the entire U.S. military budget is nearly another $1 trillion each year when you include Veterans Affairs, which is a significant part of the American social welfare program (and I speak as a former military officer and current veteran in that regard).
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cyberfringe
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12:01 PM on 07/20/2011
There is A LOT of money to be made from space exploration. The issue is the relative risk versus other opportunities for business. I have always believed that NASA would serve best by working to reduce the risk for businesses to invest in space. To an extent, that has worked now with the new commercial launch initiatives. However, a visionary would take it much further. The Moon has huge deposits of titanium. Titan, a moon of Saturn, is the Solar System's largest methane deposit. The asteroid Eros has enormous deposits of gold. The resources are there. "Gold in them thar hills!"
09:52 AM on 07/20/2011
The money should be spent on a more useful endavours than sending people into space. In my opinion the shuttle program is a waste of resources. Astronauts will go up spend few days, float around and come down to earth with some pics. and images.... Why are we poking around in space to look for if there is life up there? or try to find another "world" etc... Looking at what we have done with the world we know, have and familiar with, I don't think we should go up there and stir things up (just saying...)
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cyberfringe
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12:02 PM on 07/20/2011
Now, if they made it into Reality TV complete with sexually-charged drama then I bet it would get the funding ...
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FreedToChoose
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08:55 AM on 07/20/2011
Asking an astronaut whether we should should send people into space is like asking a republican whether we should cut spending and freeze taxes.
09:35 AM on 07/20/2011
No. Asking an astronaut whether we should should send people into space is like asking a scientist their opinion on matters of scientific progress for mankind.

Asking a Republican anything (except possibly to leave) is generally a complete waste of time.
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cyberfringe
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12:03 PM on 07/20/2011
I have great respect for astronauts (I've worked closely with several and know others). Of course they all love "the ride" but they are intelligent enough (usually) to understand that there have to be priorities.
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12:35 PM on 07/20/2011
No doubt astronauts are bright. I worked with Gus Grissom briefly and he was brilliant. My point is that the benefits of manned space exploration are better left to the mission scientists than the pilots no matter how brilliant they are.

My reading on the subject suggests there is a great deal to be achieved with unmanned missions and huge savings in costs due to the elimination of astronaut weight and support systems.
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08:50 AM on 07/20/2011
This was a depressing article. Just think of all the wasted money this country spends on killing other people.
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08:27 AM on 07/20/2011
Space exploration has been one of the most profitable ventures in history of this country in both expansion of knowledge and developed technologies. Many of the common things we use today were developed specifically for the space program and later adapted for the public. As a country, we need to continue to put space exploration as a priority as both the technology benefits and prestige of the nation are more than ample paybacks for our dollar investment.
08:20 AM on 07/20/2011
would you expect an astronaut to say why we shouldn't send people to space...?
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Allen Bouchard
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10:36 AM on 07/20/2011
Wow, your reading comprehension sucks. They didn't ask her why we shouldn't send people to space. Maybe they can pose that question when they interview an idiot instead of a scientist.