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Jon Stewart's Debt Ceiling Poll Quip: Finding Meaning In Conflicting Numbers (VIDEO)

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First Posted: 07/22/11 08:53 AM ET Updated: 09/21/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Issue polling can often produce results that are confusing or flatly contradictory, and the flood of recent polling on raising the debt limit is no exception. But in this case the inconsistency is mostly about the complexity of the issue, the disconnect between the key questions being debated in Washington, the concerns of ordinary Americans and the difficulty of boiling public opinion down to a single number.

Earlier this week, Jon Stewart's Daily Show spliced together a series of talking heads on cable news using poll results to make wildly contradictory claims about public opinion on the debt ceiling debate (beginning at about 1:45 in the video).

One says a majority of Americans "want nothing to do with a tax hike in the debt deal," the next claims "the vast majority of Americans want tax hikes to be part of the debt ceiling deal." One cites "an almost two-to-one majority" of Americans who "want their member of Congress to vote against raising the debt limit," while another says more Americans are ready to say "raise it, they understand the implications for the economy." And so on. The result, per Stewart's quip, is a lot more obfuscation than clarity.

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The apparent conflict in the poll results has two main causes: First, the debt ceiling issue is inherently complex and remote. Fewer than a third of Americans say they are closely following the debate. A Pew Research Center/Washington Post survey in early July found just 18 percent of Americans saying they understood "very well" what would happen if the government does not raise the debt ceiling, and a subsequent Pew Research poll found more than half (52 percent) saying they find the debt limit issue hard to understand.

Second, pollsters often ask about specific controversies that may not reflect the way ordinary Americans think about the issue. Consider a set of results recently released by the Gallup organization. Earlier in July, they asked a sample of 1,106 adults about "raising the debt ceiling" (with no further explanation) and two-to-one plurality opposed it (42 to 22 percent, with 35 percent uncertain). More interesting were the follow-up questions: They asked those expressing an opinion to explain their position in their own words.

Gallup's initial analysis sorted the open-ended responses into categories, but this week, they also released the full verbatim text of every answer.

Word clouds based on the text illustrate the words used most often by the respondents in their answers. Those who oppose raising the debt limit frequently used the words "debt," "spending" and "money."

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Responses were mostly about having too much debt or needing to reduce spending and frequently echoed the political messaging of leaders who oppose raising the debt limit:

"If I have to live in a budget so should they."
"My children and grandchildren can't afford to pay that debt. We need to pay our own debts now."
"Because I think we need to cut spending, and not spend more, and not print money when we don't have it."

In addition to the word "debt," the smaller number who expressed support for raising the debt limit were most likely to use the words "default," "economy" and "country."

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Those word choices reflect responses that were mostly about avoiding economic catastrophe and a default on the debt.

"U.S. government can't afford to default on debts ... creditors would lose faith ... catastrophic."
"Our country is in such bad shape -- our congress got us in such bad shape -- we have to."
"We can't default -- that would be horrible for our country."
"It is important to the U.S. economy not to default on loans."

At a meeting with reporters in Washington on Tuesday, Gallup's editor-in-chief Frank Newport explained that indicate that Americans are "fairly well informed to a certain level." The answers were "articulate" on both sides, "but they weren't responses that showed they had burrowed way through the surface." The respondents were "mimicking" the talking points of advocates on both sides of the issue. "I'm pretty positive," he added, "that the average American ... doesn't know the intricacies of what the impact of the deficit is on their ability, on inflation or employment or retail sales and sometimes can affect them directly, say 5 years from now."

And keep in mind that the responses reflect only the thinking of the roughly two-thirds of Americans ready to support or oppose raising the debt ceiling on this particular poll. Gallup did not ask for open-ended answers from the remaining 36 percent with no opinion either way.

The limited engagement of Americans on this issue (as on most legislative battles) helps explain some of the apparent contradictions in recent polling and helps distill some of the reality of public opinion.

We can infer from these results and many others, for example, that Americans don't like the sound of debt or deficits. So when a pollster asks, as the Fox News poll did this week, whether Congress should pass an "up or down vote on raising the nation's debt limit," 60 percent say they would vote against while only 35 percent would vote in favor.

But Americans also don't like the idea of default and bankruptcy. So when a pollster explains, as an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll question did this week, that an increase is necessary for the U.S. Treasury "to avoid going into bankruptcy and defaulting on its obligations," more favor raising the debt limit (38 percent) than not (31 percent).

Perhaps more important, the anxiety about rising debt is strongly related to worries about government overspending. So when pollsters ask about proposals to increase the debt ceiling that also include cuts in government spending -- as on this week's CNN poll -- they find majority support.

Of course, huge majorities also oppose cuts on spending on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, as the new CNN poll reaffirms. So if a deal achieves significant spending reductions that include cuts in those popular programs, some future polling question may well show majority opposition to that deal.

And for all the contradiction, the polls of the last week or so have produced some consistent findings:

  • Every poll released this week that asked found Americans prefer a deal featuring a mix of tax hikes and spending cuts to a deal featuring just spending cuts.
  • Most of the surveys find strong sentiment in favor of compromise, especially among Democrats and independents.
  • The surveys all show Americans expressing significantly more confidence and trust in President Obama's handling of the issue than of either the Republican or Democratic leadership in Congress.
  • The polls that have tracked identically-worded questions about raising the debt ceiling, such as CBS News, NBC/Wall Street Journal, Pew Research Center and YouGov/Polimetrix, have all shown sentiment rising in favor of increasing the limit.

Yes, poll results can be confusing and contradictory. And any polling snapshot taken today may look different if taken again in the future. But the flood of recent polling can still tell us a lot about the complex tapestry of views about government spending and debt, even if those views don't boil down to a single score showing which side is winning the battle of public opinion.

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As part of a HuffPost and Patch collaboration, dozens of local Patch editors went out to talk to their neighbors about the debt ceiling. The goal: find out if normal Americans are worried about the US defaulting on its debts. And if so, who is to blame?

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DRaymond 10:36 AM on 07/22/2011
The strange and contradictory nature of the polls is entirely related to the questions asked.  If you ask 'Do you want congress to approve more debt for the US' people are going to say no.  If you say do you want congress to reduce the deficit only through cuts to social services, only through taxes on wealthy persons, or a combination'  they will like the combination.   If you ask  Read More...
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StevieRae
2012 Choice-Oligarchy or a Republic
10:59 AM on 07/25/2011
We are living and seeing the effects of 24/7 coverage of American life, rumors, personalities and events suitable for immediate transmission as "news flashes" or "breaking news" in every detail, rarely validated which is the root of this confusion, frustration and anger. It's become "data overload" where human coping capacity is limited, more so among many who choose to ignore and abdicate their involvement. These two forces also lead to easy "editing" and manipulation of the news to satisfy special interests.
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Cranmer1549
Fear is your only god on the radio.
10:53 AM on 07/25/2011
The Baggers and Repubs in Congress better be careful. I don't think their bosses, Koch Industries and the US Chamber of Commerce, are going to be very happy when the world economy is destroyed.
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p456
Walking Tall.
11:17 AM on 07/25/2011
Yes they will because they are betting against America to fail just like Eric Cantor. If it does happen they will become trillion airs and establish a true oligarchy in America. We who are not rich will all be on line begging for crumbs off their table like we did before we established unions.
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mdlawyer2
09:46 AM on 07/25/2011
The average American believes the debt ceiling is an alternative to a drop ceiling. Apparently members of Congress aren't much clearer on the topic.
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reviewingthesituation
Southern liberal feminist
08:09 AM on 07/25/2011
In this case, though, the money has already been budgeted and put on a charge card. It's like we've bought a shiny new car, driven it across country a few times, had a couple of fender-benders, then decided we can't afford that much debt on our charge card, so we're just going to refuse to pay our car note. Only, in this case, there's no one to "repossess" the car to recoup any of the money that's owed. But you can bet that no other car dealer is going to be eager to do business with us for a long time.

Meanwhile, we continue to pour money into Afghanistan and Iraq, where billions have disappeared and the fiscal "conservatives" seem oblivious. (Yeah, some of them say they want us out, but they haven't done a darn thing to show they mean what they say.)
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Wesley Holbrook
Retired-Marine
06:34 AM on 07/25/2011
Iraq and Afghanistan wars have been charged to the American taxpayer credit card and continue to this day, thanks to insistent Republicans. First time in America's history that wars are conducted without raising taxes to pay for them. They're as spoiled rotten as the 11 year olds that they are. The chickens are coming home to roost, so to speak. To hell with their demands. They should be updating their resumes well before the next elections. The Tea Partiers are the Neocons under a different name. To hell with the rich. They're not creating jobs at all...not in America.
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mdlawyer2
09:47 AM on 07/25/2011
Let's not forget Medicare Part D which has never been funded as well as the Bush tax cuts which were never offset.
11:34 PM on 07/24/2011
All these polls are all over the ballpark.

The only polls that are consistent are the straw polls that Ron Paul keeps winning.

Republicans might stop using straw polls since Ron Paul wins them every time.

Vote for Ron Paul 2012!
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Chapin Smith
I am His Noodly Appendage
07:35 AM on 07/25/2011
Straw polls don't represent the broader Republican-voter preferences.

You go ahead and vote for RP, and waste your vote. Good day.
09:01 PM on 07/24/2011
Let's default on DEA salaries.
08:59 PM on 07/24/2011
One thing that is confusing to me is how the Congress has a debt limit, but the Federal Reserve, which seems to be at least notionally a part of the federal government, does not have any kind of debt limit at all. The federal reserve hands out trillions without any direct oversight from the political branch at all, and in fact revealed that they were loaning money to international banks at the height of the recent credit crisis, including the Libyan central bank. The fed could even be in the shadows conjuring up wealth from nothing to help kick Greece's economic can down the road.

So why does the Congress have a debt limit while Bernanke does not?
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funnyphelan
what guidelines?
02:34 AM on 07/25/2011
You can write, so I assume you can read. If you are really interested and not just wanting to cast aspersions read the history of the federal reserve; be careful though not to ingest it too quickly otherwise you will begin to understand the attractions of Marxism
09:47 AM on 07/25/2011
The Fed is a private corporation....not in any way a part of the government.
10:05 AM on 07/25/2011
So they are a private company that's been granted a special privelege by Congress to create US currency with a keystroke. Nice work if you can get it, I suppose. Doesn't seem particularly fair though. I have to to go perform a service for some company to get them to give me US currency. I think I'd rather run a printing press like Bernanke and simply conjure up all the wealth I could possibly need. I could make a lot of friends that way too, by handing big sacks of freshly made currency out to people I like.
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Margaret Rhode
04:53 PM on 07/24/2011
With unemployment at more than nine percent, where do the Dem's expect to get extra revenue to pay for anything when tax time comes around? Their answer is we'll just ask for more from the rich. What kind of "solution," is that? It's not a solution at all, it's a band-aid on a horrific wound. We DO need to hold congress accountable for over-spending our tax dollars. The American worker works to pay the government the first five months of the year in taxes.

Get the economy growing again. The basic needs of human beings are food, clothing, and shelter. America is the "bread-basket," of the world. Supply the world with rice, wheat, and corn for food and cotton to make fabrics. Build mills to make fabrics for clothing. Manufacture and ship pre-fab housing materials to countries that live in nothing more than shacks. This would generate revenue for America, and put people to work. We were once an agricultural society, blessed by vast amounts of land and rich soil. Why not use it to our advantage? How many countries in the world still wash clothing by hand in rivers, even though they have electricity? India comes to mind. Send them washing machines manufactured in America. The first principle of economics is supply and demand. We would be helping ourselves, and other countries by supplying them with basic needs.
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SmileAndActNice
Utilitarianism, the -ism that works.
12:01 AM on 07/25/2011
We don't do these things because Washington stopped taxing the rich.

Specifically tariffs on imported goods.

It is cheaper to have slaves work in your factories than it is to pay free men and women a living wage. But you need people with disposable income to *buy* the goods. So they want to make the goods elsewhere and sell them here.

Which of course is a strategy that can make a few people very rich but will destroy the country if everyone does it. And more and more people are doing it.

The ONLY thing that stops them from off-shoring jobs to 3rd world nations is if you charge taxes on goods coming into the country that are steep enough to wipe out the savings of using the labor of slaves ( either actual slaves or economic thralls who are technically free but will starve to death if they lose their job with you and thus can be treated like slaves ).

You want to get our *local* economy growing again?

Bring back protectionist taxes.

As for the rest, if I was going to sell washing machines in India I'd build a factory to do it *In India*. Both labor and shipping would be massively cheaper that way.
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Margaret Rhode
02:42 PM on 07/25/2011
That's the problem, Smile. What's a living wage to some, is exorbitant to others. Greed is the engine that has helped to bring us to our knees-and that includes both corporations and unions. Unions started out as a good thing, but now they have become the very thing they condemned. They are as influential as any other big money donator to government-even though many members may not want their dues used for political gain. Now, those chickens are coming home to roost in many states upset with state unions-Wisconsin and California to name two.

Labor is cheaper in other countries until they wake up and unionize-then corporations will return to America. But, we cannot afford to wait until then-in the meantime, sell them what they need and put people to work.
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formerroadie
I am a liberal and proud of it!
04:17 PM on 07/24/2011
Republicans have proven that they can't think for themselves. They parrot nonsense, even if it's a lie with no basis in any reality whatsoever. Frankly, it's dangerous.
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Jack Daniels Esq
Hold the ice
04:13 PM on 07/24/2011
These maestros who trashed a world-class fiscus now saying the average Joe six-pak dont understand squat about the system - what a crock - they dont - they broke it & cant fix it
02:06 PM on 07/24/2011
I think the first thing that that doesnt get funded in the defualt is congress payroll followed by congresional healthcare. If they want all of us to suffer they should be the first ones hit.
09:50 AM on 07/25/2011
Nice theory, though more than half of them are millionaires so they wouldn't suffer much. If at all.
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ethrop
micro-bio-tic
01:54 PM on 07/24/2011
It is rather remarkable that the very people who argue in favor of lowered taxes and deep spending cuts have no inkling that they will, down the line, have to pay for the services that will be cut, whether it is through municipal water taxes, special school levies, infrastructure maintenance via increased highway tolls, etc. Most o fthe little ones cannot see that far ahead. It is in fact a good bet that the increased fees and the ensuing economic decline will end up costing them more than it woudl cost them by agreeing to selective income tax increases on the wealthier citizens. They are DE FACTO, voting to increase their "tax" load than they woudl have to bear otherwise.

Remarkable.
09:58 AM on 07/25/2011
That's actually untrue.First, there is no guarantee of default if the debt ceiling isn't raised, only if we decide not to pay the debt. Which is highly unlikely. Second, there are plenty of cuts that can be made without affecting infrastructure, education, entitlements, etc. Why the American public are allowing these things to even be alluded to by our elected officials is bizarre, and frightening. Why not defund the DOD, or DEA, or TSA, etc.... These agencies are far from vital to national security as alleged and under their current bloated budgets. I have no trouble taxing the wealthy, especially corporations like GE etc, that pay no taxes. Hit them hard. But we do not need to raise taxes on people earning less than $250k, and I don't believe that we need to CONTINUALLY raise the debt ceiling. It cannot go on forever.
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ethrop
micro-bio-tic
10:37 AM on 07/25/2011
I agree with most of what you say here. But I was specifically talking about the teabaggers who fall BELOW the 100k-250k fork. They will still have to pay for increased fees if it does come to that. As beneficiaries of government services, they will be the first surprised when they suddenly realize these things cost something... If they agreed to a tax raise on the wealthy, they would have saved these expenses.
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Pleneras
01:31 PM on 07/24/2011
Shouldn't fox fake news talk show hosts be fined for lying to their viewers because no intelligent person in their right mind tunes in to lying talk shows about politics who never won a legitimate journalist awards and for good reason. Fake news forgot to say those polled are .001 percent of the population and the majority are fake fox viewers.

Sadly MSM fails to point this out in their little write ups.
mikiao
Empty my micro-bio is.
10:11 AM on 07/25/2011
Fox news actually won a court case in Florida some years ago about lying on TV. The court found that it wasn't illegal for them to knowingly lie on air.

So...there's that to think about :D
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Rich Phitzwell
01:24 PM on 07/24/2011
I believe the issue comes down to monopolies. I believe monopolies hinder innovation and growth. I believe that in the past 35-40 years we have been creating an environment that has caused wealth to accumulate in such concentration to the top 2-5% that we now have a wealth monopoly and hence a job creator monopoly. During the period when we were considered the gem of the world we taxed the "job creators" 70-90% and the american dream was pretty good. I think 90% is a bit steep, but once we lowered it past 50% we started seeing money being horded away and invested overseas. Additionally we have stopped maintaining our infrastructure and I have yet to hear how we are going to pay for all our own real needs.

President Highest Tax Bracket:

Eisenhower 91%
Kennedy 91%
Johnson 70%
Nixon 70%
Ford 70%
Carter 70%
Reagan 28%
Bush, G.H.W. 31%
Clinton 39.6%
Bush, G.W. 35%