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Debt Ceiling Debate Comes Down To Iraq, Afghanistan Drawdown

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First Posted: 07/25/11 06:47 PM ET Updated: 09/24/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- In the end, the debt ceiling debate could come down to a simple accounting question. Should the money saved from drawing down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan count as part of a deficit reduction package?

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has put together a proposal, designed to break through the congressional impasse, that counts $1 trillion in savings from the Overseas Contingency Operations (OCO) fund -- the veritable piggy bank for wars abroad. His logic is straightforward.

"It's legitimate savings," said Adam Jentleson, a spokesperson for Reid. It's true that the United States will be spending significantly less money on the wars in ten years than it is today. The Congressional Budget Office, which judges future expenditures against their current levels, will "score" the savings regardless, as an Obama administration official noted several weeks ago when the OCO issue first surfaced. Why not count them as part of the current plan?

More importantly, as Jentleson notes, when Republicans were putting together their latest plan for deficit reduction, they counted the OCO savings as well. Indeed, in his budget plan that passed the House earlier this year, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) tallied an estimated $1.04 trillion in savings from the OCO based on Congressional Budget Office estimates. When his Republican colleagues, including Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) repeatedly touted the $5.8 trillion in savings that the Ryan plan achieved, they did not offer rhetorical footnotes about how a good chunk didn't count because it came from pre-existing policy.

When The Huffington Post raised the issue several weeks ago, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor's (R-Va.) office drew a distinction, saying that while everyone agrees that the drawdown of troops will provide savings over time, lawmakers would be hard-pressed to call it a "cut."

"We have never counted OCO as a reduction, especially since it is happening anyway and has nothing to do with this debt deal," Cantor spokesman Brad Dayspring said at the time.

Independent budget analysts concur with this point.

"Personally, I don't think you should view this as real savings," said Todd Harrison, senior fellow for defense budget studies at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. "It depends on what baseline you are comparing to. The Reid plan compares to the CBO baseline, which has to assume that current law will continue to the indefinite future."

"The problem is, we already know wars are winding down and war funding is falling," Harrison continued. "The president's budget for next year already calls for a 27 percent reduction in war funding. To call that a cut when we already know we are not going to spend that money seems a little disingenuous."

And yet, it's the type of disingenuousness that has been injected into budgetary standoffs before. As the White House pointed out back in March of 2009, President George H.W. Bush used the drawdown of the Cold War to pad his budget savings in 1991.

"This is a little different than at the end of the Cold War," cautioned Harrison, noting that there were deliberate policy choices made in the early '90s to reduce the size of the military.

Still, in private negotiations, Democrats have insisted that -- on a strictly numerical standpoint -- lawmakers should be able to count the so-called peace dividend as a money-saver, especially with the stakes as high as a potential default.

Reid made this very case directly to Cantor during a meeting in early July, but to no avail. Little has changed since then. Republicans are still smarting from the bad press coverage they received after the government shutdown standoff in the spring, when post-deal accounting showed the long-term savings were much less than advertised. On Monday, GOP leadership continued to oppose considering using the OCO as a deficit reduction contributor.

Reid's plan, Boehner said upon its introduction, is "full of gimmicks."

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WASHINGTON -- In the end, the debt ceiling debate could come down to a simple accounting question. Should the money saved from drawing down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan count as part of a deficit ...
WASHINGTON -- In the end, the debt ceiling debate could come down to a simple accounting question. Should the money saved from drawing down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan count as part of a deficit ...
 
 
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Shaktas Na
The revolution is not being televised
06:54 PM on 07/26/2011
Oh I think we will be in Afghanistan for the long haul:

Funds From U.S. Defense Contracts Funneled Into Afghan Insurgent's & Criminal's Bank Accounts

http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=15860
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CLSayles
A spoon full of sugar for all...
02:31 PM on 07/26/2011
Why stay in a country that is already on their knees kissing the feet of the Taliban?? Let Afghanistan stand on their own. We have serious problems right here...
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
HLL
My little dog — a heartbeat at my feet ^..^
03:15 PM on 07/26/2011
F&F ☮
April22
Some experiences in life are ineffable
12:22 PM on 07/26/2011
The US military will be "spending significantly less money on the wars in ten years than it is today" tells me little as to the amount of money which will be spent over the next ten years incomparison to the social programs Americans will have to forego over the next ten years.

No wonder social programs have to go! How else will our government be able to keep up its ever-increasing war spending and war profiteering?

The Overseas Contingency Operations Transfer Fund is "never counted as a reduction, especially since it is happening anyway and has nothing to do with this debt deal" doesn't tell me a hell of a lot in regard to how much money goes untouched for reduction within "our" budget for defense or how that money is spent and for what!

According to the Foreign Assistance.Gov website, the money contained in the Overseas Contingency Operations (just 1% of the federal budget) is used to:

"secure domestic borders, protect Americans abroad, support worldwide counterterrorism and nonproliferation efforts, fight the spread of infectious diseases, provide humanitarian assistance to victims of conflict and natural disasters, and promote democratic, free, and prosperous societies. By investing in civilian diplomatic and development power alongside defense, we take an integrated approach to solving global problems and support the mutually reinforcing elements of the national security strategy."

Can't say this "operation" has been too successful in an area or two, nor their true objective to be so noble!
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disgustedcitizen
11:45 AM on 07/26/2011
Bring them home - save lives, money and American prestige around the world.
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
HLL
My little dog — a heartbeat at my feet ^..^
11:45 AM on 07/26/2011
These needless tragic non-accomplishing wars were only cooked up by Cheney, in particular, the former CEO of Halliburton, to make pots of money. It's a travesty that he isn't behind bars having taken our country to war on the lie of WMD's ☮

U.S. Loses $34 Billion on Iraq, Afghanistan War Service Contracts
"A new study being finalized by Congress has found the United States has wasted some $34 billion on service contracts with the private sector in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The report also reveals that more than 200,000 contractors have been on the U.S. payroll at times in Iraq and Afghanistan — outstripping the number of U.S. troops currently on the ground in those countries." http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/26/headlines#6

EXCLUSIVE: Fired Army Whistleblower Receives $970K For Exposing Halliburton No-Bid Contract In Iraq
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/26/exclusive_fired_army_whistleblower_receives_970k
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InisLass
But for the grace of God, go I.
11:53 AM on 07/26/2011
Good ole boy, Cheney...the one who somehow was able to get FIVE deferments back in the day of the draft, when most young men had no choice but to go serve, unlike today. Well done on the condensing, HLL. Thanks for your usual sharing of f-a-c-t-s! Guess I have to Super, super fan and fav you now, girlfriend. :))
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
HLL
My little dog — a heartbeat at my feet ^..^
12:19 PM on 07/26/2011
Thanks my friend, for your kind words. The fact that he was deferred five times further adds to his list of shames. The worst thing that ever happened to our country was when hanging chads and SCOTUS installed Bush/Cheney in the White House. When I think of how differently things might be today if Al Gore had been our president I just cry ☮
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Sneakers1
Animal Lover
03:02 PM on 07/26/2011
Also, truly a travesty is that the Taliban is now using US taxpayer money against US soldiers.

"A U.S. military task force has discovered that part of a $2.16 billion transportation contract was diverted through a murky network of subcontractors and into the hands of a group of Afghan power-brokers, criminals and Taliban insurgents, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/07/25/afghanistan.us.funds.taliban/index.html?iref=allsearch
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
HLL
My little dog — a heartbeat at my feet ^..^
03:14 PM on 07/26/2011
OMG Sneakers, the news just gets worse and worse. TY for the link. The ones I always feel most horrible for are the brave and weary American soldiers and their families. These ME wars are catastrophe no matter how we look at them; they were only launched for greed. G*d it's frustrating and infuriating. We've got to bring those valiant men and women home ASAP! ☮
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lensman3
11:06 AM on 07/26/2011
A troop draw down should happen. The military has lost this war due to poor management. Only more Americans will die before we eventually pull out and nothing will have changed in the end. Democracy is a state of mind, It can't be imposed from without. Just look at Haiti.
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JustinP213
I dislike all political parties.
10:56 AM on 07/26/2011
Read Coburn's plan. A trillion dollars a year can be cut from our federal government RIGHT NOW with minimal effects on MOST Americans. Almost a half a trillion dollars could be cut from the defense budget if we closed most overseas bases, left Iraq and Libya and held defense contractors accountable.
10:11 AM on 07/26/2011
The men and women on the battlefield are America’s finest and deserve jobs when they come home, that’s why they can’t come back until after the elections. After all the republicans are voted out and we have all three branches of government under democratic control there will be millions of jobs created to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. We will have debts to pay off and will pay them slowly, but everybody will be working to make America better instead of trying to drag it into becoming a third world country.
09:55 AM on 07/26/2011
My dear, United States of Americans is soon running short of money even USA is sitting on 9,800 ton of gold, many will have no job and home prices continue, continue to fall.
Mr. Osama please tell us which direction are you heading to?
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Mac1000
My macro-bio ate my micro-bio.
02:09 PM on 07/26/2011
Obama.
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den1953
The National Inquire of Politics the GOP!
09:53 AM on 07/26/2011
One would think there can be no doubt if this nation defaults every American will have no questions about Iraq or Afghanistan because there will be no money to pay for it, and if that is what it takes to get out of those parasitic wars so be it, this is the main strain on our government debt and both need to end and should have ended a few years ago. This along with every other Bush economical strain on this nation, it would save this country trillions and keep even the stingiest Tea Party law makers happy!
09:50 AM on 07/26/2011
You forgot one. Obama has us in Libya too.
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gx5000
Life's too short, be happy..
09:53 AM on 07/26/2011
The world was screaming for it, like he had a choice...
The whole thing smacked of a put up job from the git go.
Not that I supported that action, just saying....
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onegandolf1
09:44 AM on 07/26/2011
And our leaders in Congress just figured this one out, eh?

WOW !
09:39 AM on 07/26/2011
Ten years from now, which of the current crop of politicians will want to claim any involvement in the Iraq and Afganistan failures, of wasting thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars for nothing?
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Robert Frank
My last name is FRANK so thats what I am..
09:05 AM on 07/26/2011
gee ya think if we stop blowing money on retarded endless unwinnable "wars" and idiotic hundreds of military bases that we could save money? what genius figured that out?
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gx5000
Life's too short, be happy..
09:55 AM on 07/26/2011
I guess you didn't buy shares in munitions and such.....
Unwinnable wars are great economic gains for those in power, not so much for the families paying taxes and sending their children to fight....that's our lot in life unless we stand up.
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Sneakers1
Animal Lover
09:04 AM on 07/26/2011
Can someone please tell me why we're even still there?

For that matter, why were the Cons cutting taxes during a time of war? Shouldn't it be the other way around? If Bush & Co., wanted to play their war games, they should have instituted a war tax.
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gx5000
Life's too short, be happy..
09:58 AM on 07/26/2011
This isn't a War in the usual sense, the War on terror is a lifestyle they hope we'll get used to.
Just another business to deal with, move along, nothing to see here, why do you hate America etc... and oh, let's "liberate" another country while we're at it...sure.