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Super Congress Moves Forward Despite Tea Party Opposition

Super Congress Debt Ceiling

First Posted: 07/25/11 05:45 PM ET Updated: 09/24/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- A powerful coalition that includes Tea Party members of Congress rejected a debt ceiling offer from House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) on Monday, calling a proposed bipartisan, bicameral committee that would draft deficit-reduction legislation "troubling" -- not because it would afford too much power to too few people, but because they said it could lead to tax increases.

Nevertheless, separate proposals put forward by Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Monday each included versions of a Super Congress -- referred to on the Hill as a Super Committee -- that would write laws that could not be amended by the regular Congress, only voted up or down. In Boehner's version, the debt ceiling would be raised a second time if Congress approved the cuts decided on by the Super Congress.

"Perhaps most troubling is the proposed Congressional Commission. History has shown that such commissions, while well-intentioned, make it easier to raise taxes than to institute enduring budget reforms," reads a statement put out by the Cut, Cap and Balance Coalition, which is made up of a number of Tea Party groups.

Erick Erickson, a leading conservative blogger, was equally dismissive of the joint committee. "For thirty years and seventeen debt commissions we have raised the national debt $13 trillion, seen taxes rise and fall and rise again, uncertainty come and go, and Washington remain unchanged," he wrote on his blog RedState. "And now some of you want to seek cover by having yet another commission -- but this time it will be different! Sure."

The liberal advocacy organization MoveOn.org, meanwhile, argued that any joint committee empowered to make cuts should specifically exempt Medicare and Social Security from cuts, and is organizing members in opposition. "[A]ny Joint Congressional Commission must be set up in such a way that it protects Social Security and Medicare benefits. Any plan that includes a backdoor to cut those vital programs is just as unacceptable as one that puts the cuts up front," said MoveOn head Justin Ruben.

Progressive opponents of the Super Congress, however, argue that its very purpose is to cut entitlements, so negotiating its parliamentary outline misses the point. Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) told FireDogLake.com that he would approve of a "commission that makes recommendations," but not one empowered to send fast-track legislation to Congress. "But if it's got any kind of parliamentary advantage, then no," he said.

Boehner described the new legislative body in a summary of his proposal released by his office Monday afternoon:

The framework creates a Joint Committee of Congress that is required to report legislation that would produce a proposal to reduce the deficit by at least $1.8 trillion over 10 years. Each Chamber would consider the proposal of the Joint Committee on an up-or-down basis without any amendments. If the proposal is enacted, then the President would be authorized to request a debt limit increase of $1.6 trillion.

The structure of Reid's proposed Super Congress is similar to Boehner's, though the legislation it would consider would not be tied to an increase in the debt ceiling. Reid and the White House insist that the debt limit must be increased enough now to extend past the 2012 election, saying that any short-term increase is a non-starter and will be vetoed. Boehner, meanwhile, wants a two-part process that forces the president to once again absorb the political pain that comes with raising the debt ceiling in several months.

Reid's plan, according to a spokesperson, would create a 12-member body that includes six Democrats and six Republicans, with an equal number coming from the House and Senate. Legislation would need seven votes before heading for Congress, where it would face a fast-tracked, up or down vote.

The Super Congress amounts to an institutionalization of the gang structure that exists informally in the Senate, where a small number of lawmakers write legislation behind closed doors and then announce it to the public. Legislation written by the Super Congress would be extremely difficult for individual members of Congress to stop.

UPDATE: MoveOn's Justin Ruben sends the following statement firmly opposing a Super Congress that would be able to cut Social Security or Medicare: "Republicans want a Super Congress so they can push through unpopular cuts to Medicare and Social Security. MoveOn members, and the vast majority of Americans, oppose benefit cuts, and Democrats shouldn't give Republicans a vehicle to make it easier to cut them. MoveOn members oppose the idea."

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WASHINGTON -- A powerful coalition that includes Tea Party members of Congress rejected a debt ceiling offer from House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) on Monday, calling a proposed bipartisan, bicamera...
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themodernleader 08:28 PM on 07/25/2011
Cutting entitlements is the goal of the Republicans. Obama is anxious to cut social security because he believes that's where the money is being spent: Cutting spending and weakening the government is the only way to solve our financial problems of paying off the creditors. In agreement with the bankers and other plutocrats, the solution is not to have a public works program or to create a domestic Marshall  Read More...
10:04 PM on 07/26/2011
There's a petition to quash the "Super Congress" plan. If you oppose this plan, please sign and share: http://www.change.org/petitions/tell-congress-and-the-president-to-reject-the-idea-of-a-dangerous-undemocratic-super-congress-now
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bcinu2
Slow down and go Faster
02:39 PM on 07/26/2011
So now the party of no has decided to set up another government entity. It would be easier to just do their jobs! The rethuglicanteaparty's leadership cannot control their own caucus. Since the rethuglicanteaparty is going to be changed more by the coming elections than the midterms mostly altered by ideological voting. Now what will be different is many incumbents in the "old GOP framework" will be voted out I suspect. To be replaced by new rethuglicanteapartiers. Not really certain on how that will alter the landscape, but I would think the makeup of the Senate will also be changed. How will this bode for the US is anyone's guess at this point.
The Tea Party I think is going to be gaining more seats along with the Democrats. It remains to be seen how many R's can swim without a life jacket. I would suspect the Rethuglican party to be forever changed as the Tea Party takes over the GOP.

How will that affect lobbyists? How about corporate types wanting to buy their legislative decisions? I say in major ways, not all of them bad.

Interesting changes are ahead for the GOP. Will it turn out to be good for America? If it does not work out, it will become quite a rocky road for America while the political landscape changes dramatically and I hope for the better.......bc
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Hunter West
02:54 PM on 07/26/2011
whatever your comment was to my previous post, it's been removed...
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Hunter West
12:49 PM on 07/26/2011
the term "super congress" and all that implies is a FABRICATION of ryan grim. the proposed committees do nothing more than draft bills, which is a right anybody, even you or me, has. stop being so quick to believe anything that calls itself news and do your own research. Huffington Post is consolidation of blogs and doesn't have the same internal fact checking apparatus of real news organizations, which is why nobody else has confirmed this story. so go ahead and call your representatives or senators and protest the "super congress" until your face turns red. despite your best efforts, nobody will know what you are talking about because it doesn't exist.
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Hunter West
01:09 PM on 07/26/2011
and if you argue that other organizations have written about the "super congress", real research into where there references originate can ALL be traced back to this and one other article written by ryan grim.
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Hunter West
03:09 PM on 07/26/2011
and i'm not suggesting that real news organizations are immune to bias, simply that their bias is backed by some evidence. there is no evidence that this committee, consisting of 6 republicans and six democrats, would find it any easier than current party leadership to either raise taxes or cut popular benefits. and changing of parliamentary procedures is a right of congress, not a power of the committee. and there is no evidence either the house or senate would agree to such a change in the first place, in fact the article clearly quotes one representative who is opposed to such a change.
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Donnat
Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned
12:11 PM on 07/26/2011
So the strategy so far is both groups want to creat a group that can bypass the process that IS how the nation is supposed to make laws.
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Hunter West
12:21 PM on 07/26/2011
committees don't bypass the process of making laws. most bills are made in committees. whatever bills a committee makes still has to pass the house and senate, just like this one.
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rajoro
12:03 PM on 07/26/2011
The Tea Party has an apropos acronym, tp, like the other popular acronym they are both full of SH*T!!!
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dmsdzinr
Progression wit a twist of sarcasm.
11:38 AM on 07/26/2011
THIS idea is a Band-Aid for a Broken Government. Our politicians are Kabuki dancers with no feet.
11:36 AM on 07/26/2011
Americans with brains, it is time to march on Washington. Time to meet like they did in the 1700's behind closed doors and fight for our Country. Recall our representatives. Zealots need to be pulled from their seats. Move all your money to small home town banks and away from the conglomerates. Do not support large chains and take your business to smaller businesses. Support only one oil company, better South American oil then Middle Eastern oil. Once a week, turn off your lights, say every Friday and force the utility companies to lower their rates. Help move your physicians off of the insurance teat by asking them to accept the risks by your joining memberships and move the insurance companies out of the picture. Hit them where it hurts in the purse. There is great power in numbers, DO IT. Vote anyone out who signs a contract not to think and debate issues. What fools we have in Washington. Vote zealots out of the picture. And those who can think, fight the lemings who vow to ruin this country. Fight ignoance with every cell of your body. We must push the insanity back to save our country. Start with the banks first. Move your money to small banks. It is the first strike you can make towards those that are milking our country. Help those small community banks fight against the rapists who are trying to close them. DO IT!
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sammi 56
01:05 PM on 07/26/2011
There you are people - read this twice! I have already done most of the suggestions . My money is in a Savings and Loan and that is where it will stay. I will never again use a Bank credit card. My mail box is full of Bank offers everyday.
05:16 PM on 07/27/2011
And by zealots I mean the Republicans and Tea Party activists who are pawns for the Republican propaganda machine.
01:34 PM on 07/27/2011
Are you advocating for Ron Paul here?
05:12 PM on 07/27/2011
Of course not. From where did you pull that one. Large banks are trying to close smaller banks. And these monopolies are dangerous because then as they well do now call the shots completely. The only way to fight big insurance and bank predators is to hit them where it hurts. Perhaps then their lending policies and hedging will change. I am not for big monopoly corporations tied up with Wall Street.
Are you? I am an economist by background. And frankly I don't purport our moving towards Fascism which we are doing now.
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ShanaJuly
11:20 AM on 07/26/2011
The folks trying to create this "super" congress need to go somewhere and sit down and shut up...this will not happen.
11:14 AM on 07/26/2011
When all else fails, make government bigger! Yeah, that's what we need!
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booker52
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10:54 AM on 07/26/2011
No to both bills, no to the super congress, quit playing around and just do your jobs.
10:53 AM on 07/26/2011
so now in our moment of disparity we are making up new government offices......wow, I don't even.....wow!?!?
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sammi 56
01:09 PM on 07/26/2011
The teabaggers have brought us this-- and we can't get them out for another year -what a horrible thought.
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Hunter West
10:48 AM on 07/26/2011
crafty language, "super congress," "it would afford too much power to too few people," "new legislative body," does not make a truth. truth is that a committee does not make a new legislative body that can circumvent the normal progression of rules to law, nor does it concentrate the power of congress to make laws. the power of congress is the power to make law, which must always pass through the house and senate. 12 people drafting a bill, which isn't law, is not a concentration of that power. the author of this and his other articles about "super congress" is the only supposed "journalist" writing about it and, amounting to a fabrication that should discredit this man through the future.
09:51 AM on 07/26/2011
Who voted this super congress into office? Is this a more superior bunch of clowns that won't do anymore than the regular version we have in office now? Leave it to these politicians to come up with something else will just be another failure, but i'm getting used to it and nothing out of Washington surprises me anymore.
09:28 AM on 07/26/2011
I am confused once again - it says the Committee would create a proposal which neither chamber would be allowed to add amendments to but in their "Pledge to America" which Boehner unveiled last September, it says this ...
"Make It Easier to Cut Spending
By forbidding amendments on spending bills, Democrats have denied lawmakers the opportunity to tighten Washington’s belt and slash wasteful and duplicative
programs. Structure dictates behavior, so we will let any lawmaker — Democrat or
Republican — offer amendments to reduce spending"
09:20 AM on 07/26/2011
Would a super-congress even be constitutional?

It would keep those elected to office from having to take the blame for what they do.

The votes would be by yeas and nays.
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kjatexas
11:18 AM on 07/26/2011
I don't think a super-congress will work. The committee making the decisions as to what to cut in the budget, will be made up of six Republican and six Democrats. Does anyone think that this will lead to anything but further stalemate?
It's Congress' job to make the cuts, not some committee. Congress needs to do its job.