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14th Amendment: If Obama Opted For Constitutional Option, Legal Challenge Would Be Hard

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First Posted: 07/26/11 08:30 PM ET Updated: 09/25/11 06:12 AM ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) - President Barack Obama says he will not bypass Congress and cite an obscure part of the U.S. Constitution to prevent a government debt default, but legal experts say it would prove difficult to challenge him in court should he change his mind.

Former President Bill Clinton argued last week that the 14th Amendment that states the "validity'' of government debt ''shall not be questioned'' means that Obama could simply ignore the congressionally imposed debt ceiling and go on borrowing.

Obama has indicated he considered the possibility, but on Tuesday his spokesman, Jay Carney, appeared to rule it out.

"The Constitution makes clear that Congress has the authority, not the president, to borrow money and only Congress can increase the statutory debt ceiling. That is just a reality,'' Carney told reporters.

But if the country is about to go into default, the temptation to act to avert calamity will grow. Legal experts say if the president were tempted to act unilaterally he might escape without his actions being overturned in court.

Regardless of how controversial a 14th Amendment maneuver might be, a legal challenge would be very hard to mount and so far, no one has stepped forward to say they would challenge him in court.

Nor has anyone said they would sue him if he took the alternative, equally controversial, step of using his broad authorities as guardian of the constitutional order to unilaterally raise the borrowing threshold.

Theoretically, there are aggrieved parties who might consider legal action, including Congress, individual citizens or interest groups, and investors such as foreign governments.

NOT UNPRECEDENTED

A successful lawsuit against the executive branch of the United States would not be unprecedented.

In 1952, during the Korean War, the country's steel companies successfully sued President Harry Truman and prevented him from seizing mills in Ohio.

In 1971, The New York Times Company and the Washington Post Company took President Richard Nixon to court over the right to publish the Department of Defense's Pentagon Papers, detailing U.S. involvement in Vietnam. The Supreme Court prevented Nixon from obtaining an injunction to block publication.

The plaintiffs in those cases were able to demonstrate standing, the legal doctrine under which parties must show they are harmed in order to bring a case in court. Anyone suing Obama over the debt ceiling would confront that same burden.

It wouldn't be enough for a plaintiff to claim that Obama is overstepping his authority or acting illegally. "In order to sue, you have to have injury in fact. The touchstone issue is, can someone get to court?'' said Jonathan Zasloff, a law professor at the University of California, Los Angeles.

That same standard would apply if a party pre-emptively filed a lawsuit to stop Obama invoking the 14th Amendment.

Challengers might argue that relying on the 14th Amendment to raise the debt ceiling qualified as an abuse of executive power. But it would be extremely difficult for them to show that they would suffer specific harm such as lost money, property or rights, legal experts said.

The anti-tax group Club for Growth, which opposes increased federal borrowing, does not consider a legal challenge over the 14th Amendment likely, said executive director David Keating. ''It's difficult to get standing,'' Keating said.

Individual members of Congress, congressional leaders, or Congress itself might have better luck suing, by claiming their constitutional authority to handle appropriations was violated by the President's move.

TAKE PRESIDENT TO COURT

Members of Congress have taken presidents to court before.

In 1996, President Clinton signed the line-item veto act, allowing the president to veto separate parts of a spending bill. Six members of Congress who opposed the law sued the treasury secretary and the director of the Office of Management and Budget, claiming the law was an unconstitutional over-reach of executive power.

But in 1997 the Supreme Court said the lawmakers did not have standing to sue, ruling they did not allege personal injury or that the institution of Congress was harmed.

A third potential aggrieved party -- the kind that typically shows up in court -- is a jilted investor, whether an individual holding U.S. treasury bonds or, perhaps, a foreign country that buys U.S. government debt.

But if Obama were to raise the debt limit himself, he'd be paying bondholders back -- the opposite of a government default. Instead of abrogating bond deals the President would be ensuring that obligations to creditors were met.

The best option for critics of an eventual 14th Amendment move by Obama may also be a longshot: Impeachment. Already one Republican House member, Representative Tim Scott of South Carolina, has said that if Obama bypasses Congress and raises borrowing on his own, it would be an "impeachable offense.'' (Reporting by Carlyn Kolker; editing by Eileen Daspin, Eric Effron and David Storey)

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larmarch5 03:23 PM on 07/27/2011
Article 1: Section 8: Section 8 - Powers of Congress The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow money on the credit of the United States; If anything goes to the Supreme Court, they  Read More...
08:27 PM on 07/30/2011
Why don't you Liberals just give him any powers he asks for? Why do we need a constitution anyway?

This man has blocked all inquiries into his past. He's pitted one half of the country against the other. He's spent more money, that we don't have, than any other POTUS in history.

Let's just call him King or Dictator and get it over with.
09:28 AM on 08/04/2011
Let's at least give the President the legal status to operate the economy the way the people voted him to do! We know spending cuts don't do much to create jobs! In fact, they destroy jobs! Especially if the Republicans and big business is holding the economy hostage to get lower tax rates! We need to take a good portion of those profits made from outsourcing American jobs and investing overseas instead of America, and tax them heavily to put enough money into the American economy in the form of job incentives and job training! There's nothing wrong with the rich and big business earning lower tax rates this way instead of trusting the untrustworthy to create jobs for America!

I SUGGEST THE RIGHT WAY OUT OF OZ IS TYING THE RICH TAX RATES TO THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE TO GIVE US FULL EMPLOYMENT WITH A LIVING WAGE AT A MINIMUM! I dare to dream considering we've been this long without such a system already in place. It speaks volumes about the I.Q. of the average American to have let the rich get away with it this long! If we were a smarter America, we would have long ago hit the streets in every town and demanded changes that put the burden of enough jobs on those who benefit the most from the American economy! They've been feeding us defective and misleading theories about economics to keep more money than they should.
09:30 AM on 08/04/2011
The productive proceeds of the American economy need to be shared fairly! It's time for real change that can not be reverse by the rich buying congressmen!

IT'S TIME TO MAKE TYING THE RICH TAX RATES TO THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE TO GIVE US FULL EMPLOYMENT WITH A LIVING WAGE AT A MINIMUM, AN EVERLASTING CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT! THIS WILL GREATLY HELP TO ENSURE WE PROVIDE FOR THE GENERAL WELFARE! IT'S THE ONLY WISE SOLUTION TO TECHNOLOGY, CORPORATIONS, AND WALL STREET CAUSING INSTABILITY IN AMERICAN JOBS FOR BIGGER PROFITS! SINCE IT WON'T STOP AMERICA FROM BEING JUST AS PROSPEROUS, IT'S TIME FOR REAL CHANGE!
01:13 PM on 07/30/2011
It's a fact that corporations of a certain size are contributing to job destruction and should have a tax much greater on them. Instead, our corrupt congressional Republicans vote to exempt them from taxation and give them subsidies in the billions, each. Why work for the money when you can buy a Republican congressman and have them rob the poor and working man to give it to you! Large corporations and Republicans should wear 666 on their forehead so we'll see them coming! We the people need a new Constitutional Amendment to protect us from corporations and Republicans! Wall Street is a greater danger than a blessing to us! They exist primarily for the benefit of the rich!

Large corporations are an enemy to the American people at large! Wall Street gets richer and Main Street is begging for bread and couch surfing or sleeping in the street! It's laughable when you hear we can't tax the very people we expect to provide us with jobs! In reality, they have a patch over one eye and board ships flying the Jolly Roger!

Large corporations and Republicans have Americans walking the plank! Pirates, arrrrrrrrr!
01:12 PM on 07/30/2011
Sounds like congress neglecting its obligation to handle the debt is an impeachable offense! I'm in favor of barring all Republicans from holding office forever. It's criminal the way they're holding up the economy by not allowing enough tax revenues. We have 2 major wars we're not paying for and they are sucking up revenues that should be used to give job incentives and job training and a bushel of boob Republicans are stonewalling our economic progress, trying to take more from the poor! It's outrageous! It's treason!

Fact is, we don't need large corporations to create jobs for us! We'd be in a better jobs creation position if we banded corporations of a certain size! Many corporations are soo large it's counter productive! How many times do you hear about a corporate takeover and it follows that there is a huge reduction in jobs.
08:04 PM on 07/29/2011
I doubt it will come to this, but the 14th amendment does not seem relevant given section 4 closes with “The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.” Thus any enforcement outside of Congress is likely as unconstitutional as the questioning of a debt. If it were applicable it does clearly state it would apply only to the “public debt” and not the intragovernmental holdings portion of our national debt. Additionally, unlike the claims listed in this article this could be substantiated by the debt itself.
exclintonsupporter
Forgive your enemies...it messes with their heads!
07:29 AM on 07/29/2011
Congress has the authority to authorize the country's SPENDING...they have NO authority to say the country will not honor its debt obligations!!!

...and that is the bottom line....
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Ron Booth
Educate, Agitate, Organize!
10:46 PM on 07/28/2011
Why am I not surprised that there won't be a vote in the House tonight? Because even though the GOP excels at obstructionism regardless the negative consequences, the TPers make the old school Republicans look like beginners when it comes to being out of touch with reality.
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Straggler
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10:28 PM on 07/28/2011
The 14th says the validity of the public debt of the United States, "authorized by law," shall not be questioned. "Authorized by law" means "authorized by Congress," not the president.
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a10flatliner
11:19 PM on 07/28/2011
I agree, Straggler, but there was another item in this Blog that I either don't understand..or, G*d forbid, they don't..
The subject that is in question is about the President acting 'unilaterely' ...I thought the Gov was made up of THREE separate branches so no one person, or branch thereof, could overstep the Constitution. How do you see this, and yes.. I have thoroughly read, and studyed the 14 th?
exclintonsupporter
Forgive your enemies...it messes with their heads!
07:32 AM on 07/29/2011
that is true...but it also says the debt shall not be questioned...and that is what Congress is doing right now...Congress does have the authority to say we will not spend money on a particular expense, cost, program...beforehand...but once the expense has been authorized...then Congress does not have the authority to say we won't pay our obligations...and if they do decide that we are not paying our obligations that have already been authorized...then that is when the President MUST step in...
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Straggler
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10:09 AM on 07/29/2011
But Congress is required to authorize spending for each fiscal year. It hasn't yet authorized any spending for the next fiscal year, so there is no authority for Obama to step in.
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Ron Booth
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09:43 PM on 07/28/2011
BTW- In case people haven't seen it below is the Tea Party 'Pledge' how many of them do you suppose are actually within a million miles of adherence?

"I, by adding my comment to this page, agree to this pledge.

I will abstain from the use of and participation in any publicly-provided goods and services including but not limited to the following:

Social Security
Medicare: I will opt-out of Medicare and pay for my own private health insurance
Medicaid
VA Benefits (if a veteran)
State Children’s Health Insurance Programs (SCHIP)
Unemployment Insurance

In the following cases, I will lobby my appropriate municipalities to privatize:

Police, Fire, and Emergency Services
Public Water and Sewer Services
Municipal Garbage and Recycling Services
Parks, Beaches, Zoos, Museums, or other recreational
Subways and Metro Systems

In the following cases, I will use a private alternative (indicated), whenever one is available:

US Postal Service (FedEx, UPS, etc)
Roads and Highways (privately-owned tollways)
Air Travel (private planes)
Rest Areas on Highways (restaurants)
Public and State Schools, Universities and Colleges (private, non-subsidized)

I believe that domestic employment is critical to the security of our country, and therefore any company that aggressively works to contain their costs by reducing the domestic workforce should be identified and avoided, regardless of cost.

Signed, I'm a Little Tea Pot Short and Stout
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juicybrisket
dont start none, wont be none
05:23 PM on 07/28/2011
im so sick of hearing about this garbage. use the 14th and lets move on.
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09:37 PM on 07/28/2011
So when the President tells you he cannot thru his spokesman and the President is a Constitutional professor, you would have him do it anyway, rather than sign onto a measly $1T in spending reductions over 10 years when Reid has already offered bigger cuts.

All of that, because you don't want to have this happen again next year.

Genius.
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Ron Booth
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03:55 PM on 07/28/2011
If the GOP continues to push for a short term, kick the can down the road, 'non-solution' then I'm all for the Senate voting their proposal down and Obama using the 14th to avoid default.

The biggest problem with our nation's fiscal challenges have come from politicians from both parties playing political football with the budget instead of addressing key budgetary issues like adults.

For over 40 years politicians have watched as ever increasing health care costs have whittled away at medicare funding knowing full well that if there had been just a slight adjustment a long time ago Medicare would be secure not only for the influx of baby boomers they knew were coming but far into the future beyond that.

The GOP proposal to only get us through the next six months or so is totally acceptable, I'm not even that enthusiastic about the Dems plan especially if the 'revenues' piece is left out but it does go much further in the right direction than the GOP plan.

I'm all for an amendment that requires a balanced federal budget but I'm far more interested in getting to where we have a balanced budget that could then be maintained and in the shorter term avoiding default.

'Kicking the can' is for kids, let's grow up.
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09:41 PM on 07/28/2011
So, Congress has raised the debt ceiling umpteen times and in the past 44 times it has been for less than 1 year 34 times. So, 'kicking the can' is the norm. Yet you would rather we have a constitutional showdown?

I guess the idea that the President won't always be a Democrat never occurred to you. Do you really want to give all future President's this power to win some silly political point about how long the debt ceiling raise is for? Come on. Think.
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nlm0 0mln
Fightin' fires with unlit matches
03:23 PM on 07/28/2011
Another question:

If Congress is in charge of our money and Congress "shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article (14th Amendment)", then how can Congress decide not to fulfill debt accrued by it's very own vote?
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juicybrisket
dont start none, wont be none
05:11 PM on 07/28/2011
they have bad memories
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09:43 PM on 07/28/2011
Because a promise of future spending is not DEBT. Just because they said that they want to give $X for WIC programs doesn't mean that they will. Debt is a loan issued. Plain and simple. And the debt will be paid no matter what happens. The disaster is if the government needs to make drastic cuts to important programs. A deal needs to be cut by the Dems and they know it. This is all for show.

Come the end of 2012 though, the Republicans are going to have to go along if they want to continue the Bush Tax Cuts. They will need us. Let them have their fun. We can just let those babies expire and there isn't a thing they can do about it.
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03:18 PM on 07/28/2011
Three things..

It is not necessary to default on the debt. We have $172.4b/mo income. Interest payments on the debt only amount to $29/mo.

Obama using the unconstitutional option will surely results in the lowering our credit rating since the credit rating organizations are primary concerned with the growth of the debt.

There is a court where where he can be sued for this. The US Congress can impeach him. One House Member is already working on a bill of impeachment for this and other Obama high crimes and misdemeanors. The House does have enough votes to create a bill of impeachment. There may not be enough votes in the Senate to convict but Obama would go down as the second Democrat President in a row to be impeached.
03:27 PM on 07/28/2011
Our revenues do not cover our debts, thus the need for deficit spending and increasing the debt. If that were not a fact we would not have a debt would we.

There was no talk of lowering the US credit rating until the looming debt ceiling issue came to the fore so obviously your statement is not correct. Credit rating organizations are interested in the governments ability to pay it's debts, not the size of that debt.

In what way is following the constitution a high crime or a misdemeanor? The house has enough votes only to further make themselves look like fools.
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03:45 PM on 07/28/2011
You missed the hearing in the House yesterday (shown on CSPAN) where the congressmen asked representatives of all the principle ratings agency this question. They all clearly said that their concern was the rate of growth of the debt. I am sure that if you want to be truly informed that you can find the archived video CSPAN's web site.

We do have enough money to cover our debts if we just spend less. Here is a beak down...

Income = $172.4 billion each month with expenses of $306.7b

Expenses are made up of:

Interest of Treasury Securities­: 29 billion
Social Security 49.2
Medicare/M­­edicaid 50.0
Military pay 2.9
Veterans programs 2.9
Defense Vendor payments 31.7
IRS refunds 3.9
SBA 0.3
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families 9.3
Fed salaries/b­­enefits 14.2
Education dept 20.2
HUD programs 6.7
Unemployme­­nt benefits 12.8
other spending: ** 72.9”
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09:46 PM on 07/28/2011
Future spending is not a debt. The government can end the wars. It can bring the troops home. It can cut federal employees salaries or fire them. It could close the Dept of Education or the EPA.

These are DISASTERS but exactly what the Tea Party wants.

A deal needs to be struck. They have us between a rock and a hard place. We should have extended this when we controlled Congress. We should have let the Bush Tax cuts expire. We didn't and now they have 15 minutes of power.
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juicybrisket
dont start none, wont be none
05:16 PM on 07/28/2011
would your credit card company be okay with you just paying the interest payments?

i highly doubt it.
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06:58 PM on 07/28/2011
Credit card companies love minimum payments.
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nlm0 0mln
Fightin' fires with unlit matches
02:48 PM on 07/28/2011
Help me out here.

Bachmann's statement of it being "unconstitutional" for the President to invoke the 14th Amendment has me befuddled.

Congress (Legislative branch) creates the law, e.g. the 14th Amendment. The President (Executive branch) is required to execute the law. But somehow she thinks it is unconstitutional for the President to actually use the constitution to execute the law, i.e. pay our debts. Is the 14th amendment not a law that requires us to pay our debt?
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Le Facteur 99
Jeremiah was right.
02:53 PM on 07/28/2011
You are correct
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kramereng
02:58 PM on 07/28/2011
To answer your question, it's not clear. The 14th Amendment's clause that our debt "shall not be questioned" can, arguably, mean two things: (1) we can never *repudiate* our debt, or (2) we will always pay it. If it's the former meaning, then the Executive couldn't go around Congress in this case. That simply means we cannot disavow, ex post facto, any borrowing we made but it doesn't guarantee that we pay it. It just means we go into default.
02:45 PM on 07/28/2011
When my grand kids are fighting over something the best way to stop the fighting is to take away the thing they are battleing over
Be the grown up!
Be willing to listen to the crying and the tantrums.
They will stop kicking and screaing after a while.
Just do it!
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vwjan
The older I get the less crap I can take
02:28 PM on 07/28/2011
I don;t know about you but I would not be suing Obama, I would be suing the Repigs for my 401 going into the toilet