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China: U.S. Debt Crisis Is Giving Democracy A Bad Name

First Posted: 07/27/11 05:50 PM ET Updated: 09/26/11 06:12 AM ET

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WASHINGTON -- The seemingly endless process of resolving America's debt crisis may be giving America and its democratic form of governance a bad name in China, where much of that debt is held.

"This is a big issue -- what is it about the democratic process that is preventing [America] from getting something done?" said Charles Freeman III, a China policy expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. "What I think Chinese officials prize more than anything is stability and predictability. To do that they want to know the way forward, and this kind of activity is completely flabbergasting."

No place outside the U.S. has more invested in the outcome of the debt ceiling debate than China: as America's largest creditor, China currently holds some $1.5 trillion in Treasury securities; about one-third of its currency reserves are in the dollar.

And yet on Monday, when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton arrived in China for the final leg of a ten-day trip across Asia, she spent about as much time justifying to the Chinese the "political wrangling" that has been part of the deliberations as she did reassuring them that she was certain the crisis would soon end.

"These kinds of debates have been a constant in our political life throughout the history of our republic -- and sometimes, they are messy," she said in a speech in Hong Kong. "But this is how an open and democratic society ultimately comes together to reach the right solutions."

Not everyone in China is so convinced.

"I fully understand her points, and I agree with her, that democracy sometimes makes things difficult, but that in the end they can make a compromise," says Shen Dingli, the executive dean of the Institute of International Studies at Shanghai's Fudan University.

"But most Chinese are not as sophisticated as that. They read Chinese newspapers, and the Chinese newspapers portray the U.S. as an irresponsible country that owes a lot of money to us, and is threatening to not pay it back."

Gao Wenqian, a Chinese historian and senior policy adviser for the New York branch of Human Rights in China, says he has yet to see too much emphasis on the failings of democracy in the Chinese press. But he adds, "If this doesn't get resolved, it would be a very convenient excuse for the Chinese official media to mock the democratic process in the U.S."

American officials traveling with the Clinton last week reported that they encountered stern reproach from Chinese leaders they met to discuss the debt crisis.

"I’ve had several meetings where the Chinese have basically made clear that they’ve made a substantial investment in the United States, and that they expect –- not hope, expect –- that the United States will abide by its various financial international commitments, full stop," one senior State Department official told reporters on the trip.

In public at least, Chinese banking officials have projected calm and confidence lately about the outcome of the American debt negotiations.

"Don't worry too much about it. The United States will have to issue more debt and issue more currency," Xia Bin, a top adviser to China's central bank, recently told reporters. "They won't betray the national interest. They are now playing with politics."

But just a month ago, when the debt crisis seemed somehow less dire and more easily resolved, official Chinese anxiety was more palpable.

In June, for instance, a different central bank adviser publicly warned that any default –- even a brief one –- in the name of forcing spending cuts could be economically damaging, and lead to a decline in the value of the dollar.

"I think there is a risk that the U.S. debt default may happen," the adviser, Li Daokui, said at the time. "The result will be very serious and I really hope that they would stop playing with fire."

"There's not much else they can do," said Steven Dunaway, a senior fellow for Asian economics at the Council on Foreign Relations, about the softening rhetoric.

"If you really look at it, if you ask the question, 'Well, who's dependent on whom?' Push comes to shove, China is far more dependent on us that we are on them. If China doesn't buy our bonds, fine, someone else will. But meanwhile, China's extremely dependent on the U.S. as a market for their exports -- and it needs those exports."

Nevertheless, China analysts say that as long as the deliberations drag on, the real damage to America's reputation and prestige is already being done. In an interview with The Huffington Post, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright argued that the lack of resolution makes America look "pretty feckless" around the world.

In China, the fallout is potentially more substantial.

"I think they would take it as a further sign of America's decline," said Kerry Brown, the director of the Asia Program at Chatham House in London. "I don't think they're celebrating that by the way, but Chinese popular opinion already strongly holds the idea that America is declining."

"The Chinese are worried about both outcomes," said Fudan University's Shen. "China can be hurt if Obama loses, and China can be hurt if Obama wins."

He continued, "This is a problem that the U.S. has to resolve, because if they don't resolve it, it will hurt us. But the U.S. is a bigger stakeholder: they have their entire reputation at risk."

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09:05 PM on 08/14/2011
China elected to peg the Yuan to our Dollar 15 years ago with the desired effect of keeping it unrealistically low. The cheap Yuan complelled US corporates to manufacture products in China. US unemployment rose as factory jobs vanished. Since China doesn’t import US goods, it instead purchased our Treasury issues, a staggering $1.160Trillion in US debt. China helped drive down our interest rates. So, we discovered that we could keep our “fat cat” lifestyles through borrowing. We outspent our incomes by continually refinancing our homes, while its values kept rising. This refinancing credit scheme kept our spending rates high. The approach worked well, as long as China continued to buy F-Mae, F-Mac, Treasury issues. Now that our debt rating has been lowered, it's becoming too risky to own US debt. Though they gradually shifted to longer term bonds and purchased more Treasuries this month, they recognize the need to divest US “holdings” longer term. If China does so aggressively, we'll will feel a tougher economic down cycle, possibly a financial collapse. China and the US have, in essence created a huge liquidity bubble, and increasing our debt ceiling made it worse. The prudent approach would have China opening their markets, allowing the Yuan to float on the open market, and the US would need to significantly lower its deficit spending. Paying off the piles of debt should start the process of US economic recovery and a return to a more robust, growth-oriented economy.
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04:15 PM on 08/01/2011
First, although there are plenty of things that are done democratically in this country, we have a republic--meaning the people do not vote issues directly, they elect representatives to do that.

Second, it's a mess. Always has been, and it likely always will be. It just beats every other alternative (not over the short run--if a dictator got hold of this country, there is a lot he could fix in a hurry--but at some point he either would get power mad, or old--and then it's guaranteed that somewhere down the line of succession would be a stinker).

China has spent decades (and even centuries) in decline and decadence, and in the thrall of tyrants. They have a right to have a dialogue with us and even to worry about us, but not a right to lecture.
02:11 AM on 07/29/2011
What?! This isn't a democracy! In a democracy, they have real elections. In the US, we instead have auctions.
09:13 PM on 07/28/2011
Actually Obama is giving the US a bad name. We need to tell telll China ,SORRY WE ARE NOT PAYING YOU ANYTHING,since all you send us is junk 3rd rate products.
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11:27 PM on 07/28/2011
I guess you missed the FACT that the debt consists of money that we have already spent on unfunded wars and unfunded health care.

Obama is NOT the problem, excess spending on military toys by CONGRESS is a big problem.

Just remember that if we screw the Chinese their economy is in a lot better shape than the US, so the US will be hurt a lot more than China.
05:20 PM on 08/02/2011
Their economy is doing great,they produce all the products sold in Wal-Mart,K-Mart ,Lowes,Target Home Depot etc etc. And we buy the stuff? If we want to start producing our own products China will lose a very good customer. But our greedy big business owners don't give a rats rearend about anything but their pocketbooks.
07:07 PM on 07/28/2011
Show's how dumb they are. We don't have a democracy here and haven't for a long time.
What we have in America is a plutocracy. That's the problem!
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05:07 PM on 07/28/2011
When we put some tarrifs on Chinese goods like any other country with any sense they will understand what the word democracy means
01:37 PM on 07/29/2011
And all Americans will understand what the word inflation means.
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03:06 PM on 07/28/2011
The Chinese tyrants are laughing at us.

Thank you Tea Bagger Cult.
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02:44 PM on 07/28/2011
Whats happening that American democracy can't get anything done?? Well it startedf when a Democrat won the office and to make matters worse..he's black GASP!
02:10 PM on 07/28/2011
I think that a big problem is with the idea that we should give U.S. corporations 'incentives' necessarily, to bring manufacturing here. We have to just make it too expensive and costly for American companies to move abroad and to produce goods back here. We need to impose high tariffs on them and offer, possibly, no taxes at all on products that are made by companies that manufacture and ACTUALLY create jobs here. We need to basically say that, within reason, you aren't beholden to Chinese law but American law. So, Chinese companies within China can pay Chinese workers as little as they want, we don't care. But no matter WHAT country you're in, you're going to pay workers based on what you'd be forced to pay workers in our country and we WILL call you on it and tax you into the ground, pull your permits and visas and just generally make it hard for you to operate and make a profit...UNLESS you want to clean up your act overseas or move back here and open your factories and abide by American labor and business laws. Then you can also enjoy the great tax breaks and benefits that we give to companies that operate here and create jobs here and so on and so forth.
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11:33 PM on 07/28/2011
If you want to bring manufacturing back to this country, start by repealing all the free trade agreements we have. Even the playing field and american corporations will have less incentive to leave.
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edmundavolio
01:50 PM on 07/29/2011
We don't need to repeal the FTAs, we just need to apply the laws regarding MADE in America to all products SOLD in America. This way China would pay labor the $7.75 per hour minimum wage demanded of US producers, plus overtime, plus SS and Medicare co-pays plus environmental and safety constraints etc.
There is not one congressman or president that did not know FTAs would destroy US producers. These politicians still claim we need FTA for the jobs. The actual truth is that FTAs have cost jobs and ballooning trade deficits. It is proof that Multinationals have our government in their pocket because despite all that FTAs have cost the US, politicians still want to pass more FTAs.
01:23 PM on 07/28/2011
two words...TERM LIMITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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04:17 PM on 08/01/2011
Nothing so blunt as term limits. Just make incumbents pick up a couple of extra points in every succeeding election. Good ones stay, bad ones are replaced by their own parties before their handicap is insurmountable.
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12:44 PM on 07/28/2011
This whole thing is frightening for lawmakers, voters and citizens worldwide. It will not be over until we get these people out of the government.
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12:23 PM on 07/28/2011
I have an idea. Lets not buy one more thing from China and watch them squirm.
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11:14 PM on 07/28/2011
Delusional much?

A few inconvenient things to think about ...

- It is impossible for Americans to not purchase from China because the US does NOT have the ability to make most of the stuff Americans need and want.

- China has grown their middle class to the point that losing US sales would not severely affect China's economy.

Long be fore China "squirmed" the US would be destroyed.
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ktaylorr
11:36 PM on 07/28/2011
What a sad truth. The only good thing out of this, is we will never be able to have another world war. So many countries are dependent on each other today that we could not live without technology from japan, clothes from taiwan, american flags from china, etc.
12:21 PM on 07/28/2011
I like China sweating it out there is an old saying, "Owe me $100 I'll break your arm, owe me a million dollars and I'll take you to lunch". China won't do anything and believe it or not they will continue to take on US bonds and sell products to the US because they want to support their main source of growth and frankly they have nop other options. We are still the big boys on the block. China may make noise but at the end of the day they can do nothing but sit back and wait for the issue to resolve itself. Stop all the hand wringing and understand the US really has the power in this situation.
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01:47 PM on 07/28/2011
OMG... you really will need a crow bar to get your big ego in the house...lol
11:48 AM on 07/28/2011
Let's be honest for a moment, both China and the US are ruled by just a few men at the top. Democracy and authoritarian the laws in both countries clearly benefit the uber elite. The major difference is that in the US the people THINK they have power to change the power structure whereas in China people have largely given up.
11:46 AM on 07/28/2011
I know if someone had not paid me, I would send a couple of gangbanging gangsters with a pair of pliers and a blow torch to take care of business!
12:58 PM on 07/28/2011
So....you're thinking NK will invade Taiwan as a form of collecting the vig?
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11:30 PM on 07/28/2011
NK would not invade a part of China.

For all practical purposes, Taiwan is China.