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Arne Duncan Boosts Merit Pay At Teaching Conference [UPDATED]

Arne Duncan

First Posted: 07/29/11 04:45 PM ET Updated: 09/28/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Teachers should have salaries starting at $60,000 and the opportunity to make up to $150,000 based on performance, U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan told educators at the National Board of Professional Teaching Standards conference on Friday.

"The field of teaching is poised for change," Duncan said. "Many bright and committed young people are attracted to teaching, but surveys show they are reluctant to enter the field for the long-haul. They see it as low-paying and low-prestige."

In his speech, Duncan alluded to a new federal performance pay boost, but provided few details on where funding for it would come from or how it would work. When a teacher pressed him for the nitty-gritty on what he would do differently from here on out, Duncan responded by saying, "We're trying to start a national conversation."

Currently, the federal government supports teacher merit pay through the Teacher Incentive Fund, a grant program that pays for districts to develop performance-pay plans.

"I just fundamentally believe that the incentives are all wrong -- not just the money but the prestige and the career opportunities," Duncan said. He also called for more teacher accountability and autonomy, and said that "it makes no sense to isolate education or poverty."

Some policymakers are seeking ways to increase discipline in a field they say has long existed without robust evaluations. They are also trying to professionalize teaching, altering the pay scale's low starting salary and mostly-guaranteed large pension, aspects they say do little to incentivize increasing student learning.

Critics of merit pay have said that monetary incentives don't inspire good teaching. The concept has gotten flak recently after the Atlanta cheating scandal, in which an investigation concluded that a pressurized environment that stressed score gains as components of a pay scale led teachers and principals to change students' test answers from wrong to right.

New York City just dropped its merit pay scheme after a study commissioned by the New York City Department of Education showed the program on its own did little to boost student achievement. The study speculated that the high pressures surrounding teaching and testing -- before merit pay was even introduced -- might explain why introducing the new incentives did not change outcomes very much.

"We tried doing this," said Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, who initially signed onto New York's merit pay trial run. "From the [New York] study, simply saying we're going to pay people based upon kids' test scores does not work to move student achievement. ... At end of the day, what works is for teachers to see their kids succeed and for them to have the tools and conditions that they need."

Tim Daly, president of The New Teacher Project, says merit pay is a way to retain the best teachers, more than a plan for changing the effectiveness of individual teachers. He added that OECD research shows that the only way a country can afford to dramatically increase teacher pay is by shifting its priorities -- perhaps away from class size.

"We've hired more and more staff members but we haven't raised compensation," Daly said. "The way you would do what the [education] secretary is talking about is to say, 'We're going to place a priority on hiring teachers at the top of the professional scale.'"

Duncan addressed costs only by saying that a merit-pay scheme would involve redirecting existing funds.

"Given the current political climate with the nation wrestling with debt and deficits -- I am sure some people will immediately say that we can't afford it without even looking at how to redirect the money we are already spending -- and mis-spending," Duncan said.

While Duncan's stress on merit pay is nothing new, NBPTS, which rigorously evaluates teachers for board certification, has been involved in the conversation, Daly said.

Though teachers unions are traditionally painted as opponents to merit pay and defenders of the status quo, the American Federation of Teachers has supported several locally-based merit-pay experiments, while saying in its official materials that "it is not abandoning the traditional salary schedule." The National Education Association recently updated its language on merit pay, though officials say the switch simply represents new phrasing -- not a policy shift.

Weingarten told The Huffington Post she was glad to hear Duncan articulate the need to professionalize teaching, an imperative she herself stressed at a recent speech.

"I'm gratified that Secretary Duncan is talking about teaching as a profession, and not as a momentary spectator sport or service project," Weingarten told The Huffington Post. "I'm also gratified that he's talking about things like attrition, which is the most important teacher-quality issue both from the standpoint of education and the standpoint of cost. I'm also glad that he's talking about major changes not only in the way we prepare teachers but how we support and treat them at a school district level."

Weingarten said she was most concerned with seeing the speech turned into action. "The test is, to take a speech like this to places like Wisconsin and Tennessee and Ohio, into the foundations and the reformers and create a bully pulpit or use it to create a climate that enables this to happen," she said. "This was great rhetoric, but the issue is more than the rhetoric."

Duncan called for a revolution like the one that changed the standards and prestige of the medical profession.

"You are not just saving lives like doctors, but you're also creating lives," he said.

Some teachers said Duncan's words fell on deaf ears. Geri Cvetic, a media specialist at Chesapeake High School in Pasadena, Md., said she heard no specifics.

"He didn't really answer questions about his ideas," Cvetic said. "He's not really addressing a problem. He's not talking about what's happening in our schools."

Mary-Dean Barringer, a California teacher on the NBPTS board, said she was happy to be included in the conversation.

"[Duncan] said in five different ways that he wants to transform the teaching profession," she said. "Here we have the secretary of education creating a common platform where a lot of warring platforms can stand."

"I hope he does this more when he's not talking to family," she added.

Cvetic said she wanted justice in pay but not a bonus schedule.

"We want to be treated professionally," Cvetic said. "We don't want these little carrots, because behind the carrots is always the stick. We want to be treated like we have a brain."

This article has been updated to include further comment from Sec. Duncan, Randi Weingarten, Geri Cvetic and Mary-Dean Barringer.

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11:56 AM on 09/03/2011
This man is so, so clueless. Getting smarter people in teaching still cannot make up for kids who are very low, have peculiar body/brain chemistry, systemic problems such as kids with fourth grade skills sitting in eighth classes, etc. And if you up salaries you must up education program admission requirements accordingly. Still, just because someone was a bright, excellent, top-tier student doesn't mean that he/she can work miracles. I know; I was one of those students, and I've been a teacher for several years. I work very hard (getting ready to spend the entire holiday weekend reading essays, for example). But no miracles from me. Maybe, Arne, you might want to try things like placing kids in classes according to skills instead of age, and doing something about chronically disruptive students. What's most laughable about this is that teachers are having to buy their own paper; the air conditioning in my school never works and the air system emits creepy-looking dust that gives everybody sinus infections; I only have a class set of books, not one per kid; etc. - and you think there's money for high salaries? From where? Come back to realityville, Arne. Lalaland is getting old to many of us Americans. I won't be voting for your boss again next time. Your cluelessness is one example of why. And I see where this is going - more corruption. The pals of government will get massive grants to try things that logically won't work.
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08:55 AM on 08/31/2011
Equity Project charter schools pay their teachers $125,000 per year with the opportunity of making $150000 per year but only 31% of their students pass the standardized test, why Duncan? higher teacher salary do not seem to make better students test takers.
Link http://nycpublicschoolparents.blogspot.com/2011/03/zeke-vanderhoek-relentless-self.html
01:54 AM on 08/04/2011
I think everyone should start at $60,000 and make up to $150,000 based on performance working 180 days a year with 185 days off a year. Then we would all be equal. If there is not enough money or people don't want to pay everyone this amount, their industries should be taken over by the government and then the government could just print up whatever amount of money is necessary to make certain everyone has a great job with full benefits and lots of leisure time.

Wait, they tried this before somewhere didn't they?
02:45 PM on 08/03/2011
That's way, way too much. How are you going to pay for that, arne? Higher taxes, of course. The taxpayers in my area (and most others, i imagine) are already being bled dry. My property taxes go up significantly every year. I haven't had a raise in three years, and i consider myself lucky to have a job at all. There is no way i can fork over more money so that my kids' teachers can be even better paid. They already make more than I do.
01:55 PM on 08/03/2011
I already pay 4000/yr for school taxes and rising - Arnie, how much do you think would be too much - maybe 8000/yr? Over 19,000 per student per year in NYS - and they are failing really bad. Teacher's get paid when they get extra education and then they get a raise for doing so. I don't think they have a clue as to what the private sector employee has to do to just keep their job today. Teacher's have the whole summer off and they do not work till 4:00 or 5:00 - I have teacher neighbors and they are home at 2:00 in the afternoon.
02:46 PM on 08/03/2011
First of all you are using the word teachers in plural and thus it does not need an apostrophe.
Secondly, before making ignorant statements you should check your facts on every single point that you are trying to make.
03:10 PM on 08/03/2011
Just b/c they come home at 2pm doesn't mean they aren't back to grading or lesson planning once dinner's over. Why can't people understand that, like any job that isn't limited to a certain block of hours on the clock, teaching requires people to work beyond the 9-5 structure? Teachers start MUCH earlier than 9am and they often are working evenings and weekends. So if that means they are at home at 2pm, so be it. Being "at work" isn't a requirement for "working" for teachers--lots of them do the extra work at home rather than at school.
01:44 PM on 08/03/2011
How much?


Only if they work 12 months out of the year
A full eight hours a day
And pay for their own health care
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raggedhand
08:32 PM on 09/02/2011
I'm a public high school teacher in non-union Texas. I have 14 years experience, a Master's degree and am a nationally recognized teacher (national teaching awards) with a 97% student passing rate on AP exams. I put in 60 hours a week to make sure those students succeed, but my regular official work week is 40 hours. I work during the summer on professional development and setting up lessons so that I have time during the year to grade and tutor my students. I teach everyone from autistic to gifted in my computer classes.

I make $52K a year and when I retire at 20 years I'll be earning $22 a year with no COL raises. I'll also lose my Social Security that I've paid in for twenty years because of gov't employee double dipping on retirement (look it up, it's called the Windfall Offset, a funny name so cruel it's almost funny.)

So...... I already qualify for the $150K on the 8 hours and summer work. I pay $300 out of my pay for my healthcare and if I bought my own BC/BS health plan it would cost me about $1,200 a month. So buying my own healthcare would cost me an extra $10,800 a year.

Trade my $52,000 a year for the privilege of paying my own healthcare and make $150k? Sure. Sign me up. Sounds reasonable to me.
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granitegirl
so much information - so little time
10:58 PM on 08/02/2011
Once a teacher is State certified and hired by a district and assigned to a school, he-she is mostly on his-her own.
Here are the keys to the room, cabinets etc. ........
The school atmosphere determines how much support a teacher gets from others.
There have been some pilot programs where a new teacher is assigned to a master teacher for the first year. The master teacher is a mentor to the new teacher. We need more such programs.
12:15 PM on 08/02/2011
School reformers have yet to address how to give merit pay to teachers whose subjects are not tested. Do you pay less to the special ed. teacher because her students aren't performing at the level of the regular ed classroom teacher? What about music, art, foreign language, and technology teachers, among others, whose subjects are not tested? How do you evaluate them?
05:36 PM on 08/02/2011
Again, a great point. And again, one that VIVA Project teachers have thought about. See the report by the New York teachers for suggestions on how we get there www.vivateachers.org. And, share your ideas with VIVA please.
08:51 AM on 08/02/2011
The higher the salaries, the more intrigued teachers will be to cheat on the tests that determine 'high performance." I was a teacher at one time. I was proud of my salary, for I made more than most women in other professions, yet I had two master degrees in education and other certification. I certainly didn't make $150 an hour as an attorney, though I had more education than the average attorney. The teachers around me cheated on 'those tests.' I didn't. So my students didn't make the gains or reach the high scores of the students in classes where these cheating teachers performed their 'magic.' Look at Georgia and the extremes that some educators will go to make an impression. God is applauded.
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B4warned
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01:03 AM on 08/04/2011
"The teachers around me cheated on 'those tests.' I didn't. So my students didn't make the gains or reach the high scores of the students in classes where these cheating teachers performed their 'magic."

Sudents do not make gains or reach high scores because teachers cheat.
Students show gains and have higher scores "if " they know the material.

I think you meant to say, "Artifically inflated test scores erroneously portrayed students as having mastery in the subjects tested ..

Does that apply to other professions as well? I think you err in your assessment. There were several factors involved in the incident in Georgia. Some teachers were fearful and pressured to show increase in student performance. Student performance directly affect Teacher evaluations. It is unfortunate that administrators were more concerned with numbers than student names..
09:24 AM on 09/16/2011
Honey, you need to study the Sanders Model which was used in Tennessee to determine if students were making expected gains as determined by standardized tests. I was there. I went through the process from beginning to end. My student scores were not equal to teachers around me. The school system conducted a study and discovered that the teachers below me were cheating. They were telling students answers, changing student answers, whatever, but their students were making 18 month gains or more in a nine month period, which is a strong indication that something dishonest is going on. If you don't know anything about what you are talking about, don't try to run with the professionals. You will only prove yourself to be ignorant of the facts, or stupid for trying.
11:40 PM on 08/01/2011
If we want better teachers, we need to revamp the B.ED curriculum. Take a look at any B.ED curriculum and couple things you see missing. Not one class regarding class control/discipline or teacher ethics. When a teacher comes out of education college, she/he is not prepared to deal with actual students and class control. Yes they are taught how teach different subjects but not how to deal with classroom as a whole. Why is America Corp teachers more successful, they don't come from B.ED, they are paid better, and they are given support for problems facing inside classrooms, as well strategy sessions on what to do in different situation. nothing like that is present in regular route to teaching. Change that and you won't need to pay more. Train the trainers better.
12:08 PM on 08/02/2011
You can't learn those techniques effectively in a class. What teacher ed. programs need is to get candidates in the field teaching and working with master teachers as early in their programs as possible. I believe this would also help weed out the candidates who should not be teachers at all.
05:34 PM on 08/02/2011
VIVA Project teachers totally agree. Teacher prep needs a re-do, especially on learning-by-doing www.vivateachers.org for great ideas, delivered to Sec. Duncan in person last Fall. But better training should mean better pay too, for better outcomes.
03:12 PM on 08/03/2011
The curricula of colleges around me address classroom management, how students learn differently, psychology of development (mental/emotional issues at different ages that students may exhibit in class), etc. LOTS of prep on those things (and, actually, not so much on content as you might think.)
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10:42 PM on 08/01/2011
I have been in the teaching business for 40 years. Teachers are some of the most professional people I know. But they tend to be poorly educated and poorly trained. If you want better educated people, you may have to pay them more. Teachers don't do it for the money, however. If they want to make more money, they can leave the classroom and become administrators. If you want to pay teachers more, there should be a good reason for it - by being much more selective as to who can be a teacher and/or having them work a considerably longer school year. There could also be a competitive promotion scheme in which senior teachers make more for being team leaders and/or mentors. But this shouldn't be an entitlement that anyone gets for sticking around a long time. Such people should be able to demonstrate superior teaching ability and learning outcomes as well as the ability to work well and effectively with colleagues. If teachers are better paid, they should contribute more to their pensions. In the present way things are done, teachers spend most of their careers with mediocre pay. Their comfortable pensions are a sort of deferred compensation.
08:32 PM on 08/01/2011
This is really just lip service. It's easy to say something like this if you never have to do anything to back it up
06:29 PM on 08/01/2011
Does everbody debate the salary of a dentist or the pediatrician? I have the same amount of education, a much harder job, and i'll still make only$50,000. a year.
-an American teacher
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Mumpsimus, I am not entertained!
09:34 PM on 08/01/2011
I wish that I could make as much as you are, but MT is on the cheaper side.
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Axekick
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11:56 PM on 08/01/2011
"Everybody" doesn't have their taxes utilized to pay dentists and pediatricians. My fiance is a pediatrician in an emergency room. She averages over 80 hours per week plus volunteers at a university labratory. She is the last obstacle between life and death for many children every week. She has a Ph.D. and completed a grueling residency that required her to work 20 hours per day, three days on, one day off for two years. How about your shedule that "is much harder"?
02:55 PM on 08/03/2011
Her choice. When does she have time for you?
03:55 PM on 08/03/2011
Don't pediatricians usually get an M.D.?
06:27 PM on 08/01/2011
I've heard the same thing for 30 years. For the past 10 years my salary as a teacher has stayed the same.
01:46 PM on 08/03/2011
cough...cough...cough...Bullsh*t...cough...cough...cough...
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05:56 PM on 08/01/2011
Sigh. One of the reasons I left public schools and went into international schools is that my salary isn't taxed, my housing and bills are paid for, and I get a round-trip flight back home each year. I paid off my student loans and credit card bills in two years.
02:58 PM on 08/03/2011
how nice for you?! really no need to brag about that since your job is more of an exception than a rule.