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Debt Ceiling Deal Could Mean Problems For States

Debt Ceiling Deal

SUSAN HAIGH and DINESH RAMDE   07/31/11 11:11 PM ET   AP

HARTFORD, Conn. — The cost of the compromise needed to raise the federal debt ceiling likely will inflict more fiscal pain on states still struggling to recover from the recession and the end of federal stimulus spending.

President Barack Obama and Republicans sealed a deal Sunday to avoid the nation's first financial default and raise the debt limit while slashing more than $2 trillion from federal spending over a decade. Obama said that, if enacted, the agreement would mean "the lowest level of domestic spending since Dwight Eisenhower was president" more than half a century ago.

While the details of the spending cuts to states remain unclear, lawmakers from both parties have discussed the need to cut or impose caps on so-called discretionary spending over the next decade.

That could mean wide-ranging cuts in federal aid to states, affecting everything from the Head Start school readiness program, Meals on Wheels and worker training initiatives to funding for transit agencies and education grants that serve disabled children.

There also was concern among governors, state lawmakers and state agency heads that Congress would make deep reductions or changes in federal aid for health services for the needy, most notably through Medicaid. That could shift more of the costs onto states that already are having trouble balancing their budgets.

"We have the potential for disaster should there be a major realignment in federal funding that results in a cost shift to states," said Nevada state Sen. Sheila Leslie, a Democrat from Reno who recently discussed the issue with Obama administration officials in Washington. "In short, we are teetering on the edge right now, and a cost shift could send us over the cliff."

States already have closed nearly $480 billion in budget gaps since the beginning of the recession, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

In Connecticut, for example, officials have struggled to cover a $3.3 billion deficit, accounting for more than 16 percent of the state's main budget account.

About 19 percent of the state's non-transportation revenue comes from the federal government.

"The timing is lousy in every respect," said Benjamin Barnes, secretary of the Connecticut Office of Policy and Management. "It will certainly have a recessionary impact on the overall national economy, and that's the last thing we want right now."

Among the programs that could be affected is a service that delivers meals to the home-bound elderly.

Connecticut received about $4.5 million from the federal government for the program this year and $1.8 million from the state. Marie Allen, executive director of the Southwestern Connecticut Agency on Aging, said the program is a staple for many senior citizens on tight budgets. The federal aid ultimately saves taxpayers money because it helps keep people out of costly nursing homes, she said.

"If we don't have the support for them in the community, people end up in nursing facilities because they don't have proper nutrition," Allen said. "These are the real reasons why we spend more money on skilled nursing care."

State officials across the country were worried about the austerity steps demanded by fiscal conservatives in exchange for raising the nation's debt ceiling, said Brian Sigritz, director of state fiscal studies at the National Association of State Budget Officers. He said the association expects states to be affected by cuts, if not immediately, then in the next year or two.

Obama, in his remarks on the debt deal Sunday night, said there will be no initial cuts to entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare. But he said both could be on the table along with changes in tax law as part of future cuts.

House Speaker John Boehner, a Republican, telephoned Obama at mid-evening to say the agreement had been struck, officials said.

No votes were expected in either house of Congress until Monday at the earliest, to give rank-and-file lawmakers time to review the package. But leaders in both major parties were already beginning the work of rounding up votes.

Darrell Steinberg, president pro-tem of the California state Senate, said before the debt deal was announced Sunday night he was concerned about cuts to entitlement programs, especially if they reduce payments to the states for Medicaid, which provide health care for the poor and disabled. The state's version is known as Medi-Cal and covers 7.5 million people.

Significant cuts could have forced California to look for ways to make up for the funding at a time when the state is slowly emerging from a recession that has left it with one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation. Lawmakers closed a $26.6 billion shortfall this year, partly with the help of rising tax revenue.

"Certainly in California, we're on the verge of turning a corner," said Steinberg, a Democrat. "We want to go forward, not backwards."

A concern in many states is a possible change in the federal-state formula known as FMAP, which is used to fund Medicaid programs. In Nevada, for example, the federal government pays 55 percent of the cost. Every 1 percent of cost that is shifted to the state equals roughly $15 million.

"The change in FMAP is probably one of the more fearful ones that we could experience," said Mike Willden, director of the Nevada Department of Health and Human Services.

Not all state officials were dismayed by the possibility of broad-based cuts in federal aid.

Alaska Gov. Sean Parnell said he believed substantial funding cuts would have less of an impact on his state than allowing the federal government to stay on its course of mounting debt. He is among a small group of GOP governors who signed a pledge urging Congress to oppose increasing the debt limit unless certain conditions are met, including substantial spending cuts.

"We need a serious directional change to recover, and merely raising the debt limit will lead only to disaster," he wrote in a recent email.

The long-term effects of a compromise to raise the debt ceiling could come as a surprise to many state officials, said Rep. George Miller, of California.

The top Democratic lawmaker on the House Education and Workforce Committee said he had received almost no input from state education departments and local school districts about the looming spending cuts. He said reductions contained in the debt ceiling legislation are "going to make life much more difficult for" for public schools.

Robert Moran, who represents the American Association of State Colleges and Universities, said plans offered by the leaders of the House and Senate each kept a major aid program largely intact. Pell grants, which provide up to $5,550 to low-income students, would sustain cuts, but they would be relatively small, he said.

"I think the higher-education community was probably pleasantly surprised about that," he said.

But he said colleges still face a double-whammy – federal cuts coming on the heels of deep state cuts. In many university systems around the country, departments have lost funding and class offerings have been reduced.

Barry Toiv, the vice president of public affairs for the Association of American Universities, said continuing to take money out of education would slowly and steadily degrade the quality of the nation's universities and affect America's ability to produce the next generation of leaders.

"It's like termites in the wall, gradually eating away at the underpinnings of our innovation," he said. "If you do that over a long period of time, at some point you're no longer leading the world. And eventually, like with termites in the wall, you're not really going to have a house anymore."

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Ramde reported from Milwaukee. Associated Press writers Kevin Freking in Washington, D.C.; Sandra Chereb in Carson City, Nev.; Judy Lin in Sacramento, Calif.; and Becky Bohrer in Juneau, Alaska, contributed to this report.

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Meggie 04:25 PM on 07/31/2011
I think it would be fair, as long as this "crisis" exists, if places like CA and NY and IL, etc. get back all their Fed money $1 to $1, and places like FL and TN and MS and AK only get $1-$1 back. Maybe then the politicians they send to washington will be a little bit more real about subsidies to big oil, big pharma and big agra; and maybe then they'll think removing the bush tax cuts isn't all that  Read More...
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litespeedrider
Ignorance can be cured, stupidity is forever!
07:09 PM on 08/01/2011
Let's cut the subsidies to the southern Red states since their TP'ers don't think they need the government help.
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JoanMeijer
Author of Relentless: The Search For Typhoid Mary
03:03 PM on 08/01/2011
The problems for states is just part of the kill America program instituted by the Tea Baggers and the Republicans. Everyone who loses a job from now on knows exactly where to place the blame... and don't forget Obama should be running as a Republican.
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popart
retired school teacher
01:41 PM on 08/01/2011
states wont have to worry so much about infrastructure like fixing bridges because soon more people will be living under them than driving over them.
Lahi
sensible is not a dirty word
02:13 PM on 08/01/2011
and who cares if collapsing bridges fall on poor homeless people? /sarcasm
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Richard Corbit
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11:54 AM on 08/01/2011
To all who are going to be adversely impacted with this deal : You have one way to protest, to strike back, one thing that all Pols fear...a VOTE. Make yourself heard. If even 50% of those eligible to vote would vote, the special interests that have hijacked our political process would just be faint cries in the dark. You have the power...VOTE!
11:45 AM on 08/01/2011
INDIANA.................$1.6 BILLION IN BLACK

Madiganistan (Illinois ) under Quinnoccio, Durbin, Schakowsky, Cullerton, ....14 billion in the RED
11:09 AM on 08/01/2011
Shame on all of them.
11:07 AM on 08/01/2011
You wanted repugliecant majorities states - Well, you gott 'em - Now deal with 'em on your way to insolvency and anti-womens reproductive liberties...
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Sock No 4
Comfy sock
12:15 PM on 08/01/2011
The Republican-run states are more solvent than the Democrat-run states.
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lensman3
12:40 PM on 08/01/2011
Where is your info from? Post a URL, please.
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Ed C Atlanta
Justice for all,,It's an Entitlement
11:01 AM on 08/01/2011
The headline is so wrong, it is going to mean trouble for the states as the states will definitely receive less money from the feds,,but I guess the tea partiers neglected to see this fact in their crystal balls..So now when these states have to increase taxes at the state level as well as local county and city taxes,,if the tea party thinks they are taxed enough already, it will be their own faults when local taxes rise higher than federal taxes would have been,,yeah they are real smart alright, they just didn't think things quite through to the end, but then again we know that they just wanted to keep money out of the feds hands for one reason only,,,
SirCoolBreeze
GOP'ers = Alleged Unindicted Co-conspirators
11:48 AM on 08/01/2011
EDC!
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corte33
Educator, Musician
10:53 AM on 08/01/2011
Why doesn't the Government publish a list of spending programs (subsidies), and let the voter decide which to keep? I bet most of the subsidies will get deleted.
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dragonlady620
My karma will run over your dogma
11:02 PM on 08/01/2011
I'm sure that's why they don't want to put it to a vote.
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10:52 AM on 08/01/2011
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10:51 AM on 08/01/2011
2007
Federal budget $2.8 trillion

2008
Federal budget $2.9 trillion
Budget growth 3.5%
Inflation 3.85%

2009
Federal Budget $3.1 trillion
Budget growth 6.9%
Inflation -0.34%

2010
Federal Budget $3.55 trillion
Budget growth 15%
Inflation 1.64%

2011
Proposed cuts over 10 years = $2.4 trillion

Total spending over 10 years, excluding budget growth $35.5 trillion

$2.4trillion = 6.7% of $35.5 trillion.

This is not cutting spending it is cutting the rate of growth of spending.

If we took $0.24 trillion from the 2010 budget it would still have been $3.31 trillion which would be an increase of 6.7% over the 2009 budget in a year with 1.64% inflation.
10:39 AM on 08/01/2011
Well there are more welfare recipients in Red States than in Blue States. Guess what? This is what they wanted. Red States sent the t party to Washington so I say, they deserve what they get and they get what they voted for ! No sympathy from me !
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Ed C Atlanta
Justice for all,,It's an Entitlement
11:03 AM on 08/01/2011
agreed and what those red states are going to get is higher state taxes,,good for them, they have already raised county taxes in several urban counties here in Ga, and that trend is going to continue nationwide.
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clemmers
The rich require an abundant supply of the poor.
11:07 AM on 08/01/2011
True.The red states, home of the most bag.gers, will see their states raise taxes but suffer nevertheless. Blue states have been subsidizing the red states, so they will be better off, but not much.

If we thought the plight of the average American was bad after Bush's cronies and the banksters raided the till, just wait until the states with their balanced budget amendments have to squeeze more out of their unemployed and wage-stagnated citizens. We're going down, folks.
11:25 AM on 08/01/2011
True. We have already gone down more than people understand or are willing to acknowledge. What math is going to offset comtinued decline in housing, the number one source of "wealth effect" in the country. We know jobs are years away from returning, not to mention what the new pay levels will be. Just released nums for GDP show .4% for first Qtr. 1.3% for second Qtr --- under 2% for first 6 mos of 2011. inflation is somewhere around 2-3%. We actually went backward. All economists from all sides agree 2.5% -3% is required to generate ANY new jobs. We are down for sure.
11:35 AM on 08/02/2011
Who subsidizes California, Illinois or New York? If not for states like Utah and VA. Sure the south has their freeloaders but they need to be cut off. That's one reason the Teapartiers are protesting...even though it may hurt people in their own states, it will cause them to be less dependent on the gov't.
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10:35 AM on 08/01/2011
The two worst policies regarding the Fed gov't and States:

Blue states subsidizing Red.

The States' own balanced budget amendments.
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Ms Disbelef
10:43 AM on 08/01/2011
That is why the states can have and brag about balance budget amendments, they have the federal government to fall back on if they have a problem. Good luck now. The south is going to find out how smart it was to opt for the GOP and the Teapers. Hi, Haley, how are you doing? Oh, not so good and the former middle class isn't coming to your new casinos? Awwwwwwwwwwwww
11:09 AM on 08/01/2011
Balanced budget amendments = insolvency.
10:25 AM on 08/01/2011
And how much are we spending in having Troops overseas??? Lets save a few billion dollars and bring them home! And lets also talk about the Missing 50 million Americans, how hot would our economy be running now with a huge demand and buying power, created by an extra 50 Million Americans that were Murdered by Planned Parenthood.
12:19 PM on 08/01/2011
Teabagger philosophy= don't know an apple from an orange; does not know that Planned Parenthood helps women without insurance by screening for breast cancer and uterus cancer, and helps pay for birth control meds, providing medical services not obtainable at the Emergency room.

50 million missing Americans? would also be unemployed right now.
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new 10 ole ole
10:20 AM on 08/01/2011
I just do not understand it. Every union member, every educator, every govt worker, every health care worker , every minority, ever unemployed or retired or medicare recipient, and even Soros and a lot of other $Banksters are supporting O and his agenda--how can a tiny minority be the influencing factor in such a monumental decision?
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mikelartist
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10:53 AM on 08/01/2011
It's called filibustering.
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Ed C Atlanta
Justice for all,,It's an Entitlement
11:04 AM on 08/01/2011
It's actually called crying.
11:11 AM on 08/01/2011
It's called anti-American and the repugliecons are at the core of the conspiracy to turn the US into a corporation run political system.
12:23 PM on 08/01/2011
Are you claiming to be one of the rich who don't pay taxes? Rich or not your county tax rates will soar as the share pot of money called Federal Taxes never reaches Washington, hence will never come back to your county or parish. All but the top 2% of people in this country are in the minority.
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new 10 ole ole
01:29 PM on 08/01/2011
Since our only income is a little int/divd--just mostly Soc sec we pay no income taxes, if that is what you mean?