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Debt Deal: Nation's AAA Credit Rating Could Still Be Downgraded

Debt Deal

First Posted: 08/01/11 01:03 AM ET Updated: 09/29/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The tentative U.S. deal to avoid a crushing debt default is at best a mild relief for the U.S. economy that nearly stalled in the first half of the year and has yet to show signs of any realistic pickup.

The plan for $2.4 trillion in spending cuts over a decade, if backed by lawmakers, would help lift some of the uncertainty that has weighed on investors, businesses and consumers unsettled by talk about a possible new and deep U.S. financial meltdown.

Still, it does not decisively remove the threat that the nation's AAA credit rating could be downgraded, an action that would raise borrowing costs across the board, and the prospect of further cuts ahead will cut short any celebrating.

``This will have minimal impact on the economy. The cuts are not there for the first couple of years, which really makes you wonder if they're really going to happen at all,'' said Peter Morici, an economics professor at the University of Maryland.

The prospect of spending cuts is the last thing the U.S. economy needs right now, many commentators say.

Economists were stunned on Friday when data showed the U.S. economy grew just 0.4 percent in the first three months of this year -- perilously close to contraction -- and picked up unimpressively to 1.3 percent in the second quarter.

Against the backdrop of the weak economic recovery, the divided political parties in the U.S. Congress appear to have agreed on one thing early on in their dispute over how to raise the U.S. debt ceiling: that spending cuts to narrow the deficit should be phased in slowly. They will be phased in from 2013.

President Barack Obama told reporters on Sunday that the initial discretionary cuts, expected to be about $917 billion, ''wouldn't happen so abruptly that they'd be a drag on a fragile economy.'' He added that ``job-creating'' investments in education and research would be preserved.

But the bulk of the austerity has yet to be defined.

About $1.5 trillion of the planned savings will be decided by a bipartisan congressional commission, leaving unanswered the question as to whether the United States has the political will to tame the country's growing debt pile once and for all.

Troy Davig, U.S. economist at Barclays Capital, estimated that the deal would only cut $25-30 billion from government spending in the first year, which could shave about a tenth of a percentage point off economic growth.

``It's not a major drag on growth but when the economy is only growing a point and a half, a lot of economists feel that this is not the right time to be finding fiscal restraint. We will be shifting from massive stimulus to massive restraint.''

Steeper and faster spending cuts could have dealt a knockout blow to an economy reeling from high fuel prices, bad weather, Japan's earthquake and a depressed housing market, plus a labor market that shows few signs of recovery.

LITTLE SCOPE FOR STIMULUS

Proposals discussed just a week ago included possible new fiscal stimulus measures, such as extending payroll tax cuts for employees and offering them to employers as well.

There appeared to be no room for them in Sunday's preliminary deal which is expected to be voted on in the Senate on Monday and sent to the House of Representatives for approval. The bipartisan panel, which must draft more cuts by November, could revisit the issue.

There could be some relief among U.S. employers and consumers that taxes won't rise under the new, hard-fought deal and that the worst-case scenario has been avoided.

The talks have been punctuated by warnings from the Obama administration that financial chaos would ensue if the $14.3 trillion federal borrowing limit is not raised by Tuesday.

That angst has added to a pile of worries slowing consumer spending decisions such as car purchases, according to Detroit executives. Existing home sales in June fell sharply due a big jump in canceled sales contracts.

Obama, too, said he has been concerned about the debt limit battle's impact on consumer and business confidence. He said he hoped Sunday's deal ``will begin to lift the cloud of debt and the cloud of uncertainty that hangs over our economy.''

Any relief, however, is likely to be short-lived. U.S. jobs data on Friday will probably prove another reminder of the weak U.S. economy. Unemployment is expected to remain at 9.2 percent, according to a Reuters poll.

The budget deal ``does nothing to restore household and corporate confidence,'' said Mohammed El-Erian, chief executive of bond fund investment giant PIMCO.

``So unemployment will be higher than it would have been otherwise, growth will be lower than it would be otherwise, and inequality will be worse than it would be otherwise,'' El-Erian told ABC's This Week with Christiane Amanpour.

Just as Washington's political leaders have run out of money to throw at the U.S. economy, the Federal Reserve looks lacking in ammunition too.

The U.S. central bank waged an massive experiment in monetary policy over the last few years to prevent the 2007-2009 recession from spiraling into a depression, slashing interest rates to zero and pumping $2.3 trillion into the ailing economy by buying debt,

The Federal Reserve is not expected to rush in to make up for the loss of any stimulus to boost growth.

Atlanta Federal Reserve President Dennis Lockhart said on Friday there would be a ``very high bar'' for more stimulus.

At least the deal taking shape in Washington would push the scary prospect of a U.S. debt default out until after the 2012 presidential election. But investors worldwide will still worry about the ability of the United States to avoid future downgrades of its debt, a move that would probably push up borrowing costs and act as yet another drag on the economy.

``Talk about kicking the can down the road, this is probably the biggest can that's ever been kicked -- appointing another commission to do the heavy lifting another day,'' Yale University economist Stephen Roach told Reuters Insider. (Reporting by David Lawder; Editing by Anthony Boadle)

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The tentative U.S. deal to avoid a crushing debt default is at best a mild relief for the U.S. economy that nearly stalled in the first half of the year and has yet to show sign...
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den1953 08:55 AM on 08/01/2011
With this nations greatest exporter of military hardware and fighting two wars that is acting as a vampire to the United States economy Americans are still facing the fact that we have no jobs in this nation. Even after this debt business is settled Americans will still be faced with low employment chances because no one in Washington has been able to answer that question of how to produce a 5 dollar item  Read More...
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Honest Babe
12:36 AM on 08/02/2011
To answer your question, does Congress have the political will to tame the debt, the answer appears to be no. When the best chance to do this arose when Bush received a surplus following four years of balanced budgets under Clinton, instead of taking steps to reduce debt, it was taken as an opportunity for a spending spree. After doubling the debt, and the horse has already raced out of the barn, the same thinking that reversed our progress continues. We will not have an opportunity to get serious about the debt until congress changes again.
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pntgrl32
11:53 PM on 08/01/2011
As bad as Ihate to see it happen,how can we not be downgraded?We are over 14 trillion in debt,and we have to borrow money just to pay the intrest on the debt,as the debt just keeps growing.We need new leaders to fix this mess,that is just getting worse.
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clifcourt
11:03 PM on 08/01/2011
I can't believe how quickly you'll forget history. Our possible credit rating downgrade started 6 months after O took office when China said we were spending to much money, to fast. That was 2 years ago people. The debt ceiling has only been in the news a few months. Bush spent to much the last 2 years he was in office & O's change didn't change a thing. Bush's last budget got signed by O, as the Dems wouldn't present it to him because he would have vetoed it. Yet you still blame Bush. I really wish all of the children on here would quit insulting people & making up new derogatory terms for people who think differently than you.
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Steve Rockett
08:56 PM on 08/01/2011
This nation must rid itself of tea gaggers once and for all in the next election, along with blue dog democrats. Moderates in both parties must love their country enough to work with one another.
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lackofoversight
A nickel isn't worth a dime today... Y. Berra
06:42 PM on 08/01/2011
"Economists were stunned ... when data showed the U.S. economy grew just 0.4 percent."

Stunned, stunned? Are they so out of touch with what's going on in America that they're surprised? Then I would suggest they leave their ivory towers and think tanks and travel across this land to see for themselves how really bad it is.
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Honest Babe
12:41 AM on 08/02/2011
A problem in our evaluation of the economy is that the stock market is too heavily weighted. Historically, before our economy became multinational and global, it could be used as a measure of the health of the economy in the US. However, it is a misleading indicator today that has little to do with the millions who are out of work and underemployed, does little to take into account the massive financial disturbance, and the ability of our current safety nets to mask the potential for crash when those nets collapse from the weight.
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johngary66
Accused of heresy and decided to go with that.
05:54 PM on 08/01/2011
OH COME ON NOW! The credit rating agencies have about as much credibility as the Obama administration that failed to take away thier authority and punish them after they rated toxic bank mortgages Triple A. They are as much responcible for the collapse of our economy as the Banks and Insurance Companies. The Corporate owned Lame Stream Media has grossly failed to report this story. Are they in collusion with Wall Street and the White House? Of course they are. Wake up people, Your being had left and right. Obama is not who you think he is. Please go to this link and then demand to know why the credit rating agencies are even still in business. Just now, more than three years after they should have been investigated the SEC is waking up? Click here to sign: http://action.firedoglake.com/page/s/revoke-sp
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lackofoversight
A nickel isn't worth a dime today... Y. Berra
06:47 PM on 08/01/2011
Geeze, I wish I could fan you again. Well a big Fave Johngary!
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05:47 PM on 08/01/2011
Of course the downgrade is not about the debt ceiling and it never was. As I said many times on this site the rating agencies statements were posted and they have been warning of a downgrade for over 18 months if the spending did not stop. Some pointedly stated the debt ceiling has nothing to do with the possible downgrade.

It was a red herring created by the dems for political reasons - one to get the debt ceiling passed and 2 as a way to somehow blame the repubs for the possible downgrade they knew was coming. The reason however is clearly posted and in the statement by one rating company they explicitly state the downgrade has nothing to do with the debt ceiling but unfortunately there is a group of people that will fall for the politicall tricks.
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Honest Babe
12:44 AM on 08/02/2011
Throwing political pies does not change the reality that we are in deep trouble. If we had not put in place mutliple safety nets after the last depression, we would already have been there again. When those safety nets fail, or particularly when the current congress pushes to the point of failure, we will all be rudely awakened.
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08:33 AM on 08/02/2011
We are in deep trouble and some safety nets are needed of course. They need to be seriously placed back more on the path toward what they were and what they were designed to be however. We have way to many people taking from the govt when they do not need to, including in massive numbers the middle class.

Those safety nets are in trouble and will be bankrupt in the very short term if they are not reformed. I am amazed at those on the left that say no lets keep spending exactly like we are now. where does this money come from - magic unicorns in the sky?. Follow all the mantras on the left take all that money and you do not even close the deficit for one year. It is all as you say political pies.
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KeepLivin49
reasonable thought and common sense is a virtue
02:27 AM on 08/02/2011
Had the debt limit been dealt with in the way it normally had the weakness of the political system would not have been exposed. The GOP tying the debt limit to long term deficits and irresponsible rhetoric...not caring if we default....will be what drove a downgrade if it comes.
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08:28 AM on 08/02/2011
Completely irrelevant. The financial workings of the financial system of the United States are public as is the national debt. That is what the downgrade is based on. Facts and figures.

The political system of this country was deliberately designed to be difficult. These battles have been in place since the offending and are mild in comparison. Additonally the only fools that went around running we would defaullt was the left.
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04:02 PM on 08/03/2011
You wrote - I ask you simply did you hear even a whisper about the credit rating until this foolishness about defaulting started? If congress had passed the ceiling without fanfare in May the credit rating would have gone down? If you say yes your head head is in the sand.


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The person whose head is in the sand is the one that does not want to hear all the facts and just blame the problems on plattitudes.

Yes myself and anyone who cared enough about the debt to know is completely aware that we have been warned for well over a year and a half about a downgrade. Today we were put on credit watch by S and P and downgraded by a Chinese agency.

This is and was not about the debt ceiling as I and others have said repeatedly. It is about the insane amount of deficit spending particularly under obama. that is a fact check the rating agencies sites yourslef and get your head out of the sand.
04:57 PM on 08/01/2011
This entire process was a HUGE waste of time and resourses. The only thing that will happen for sure is that Obama will get almost 3 trillion more dollars to flush down the beltway commode. The cuts will never happen under the current regime, very few of them weren't scheduled until after 2012. I wonder why ??
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cody weber
unapologetic libertarian
05:23 PM on 08/01/2011
That's easy all of the agreements are slight of hand. They are non binding to the next congress therefore anything that doesn't happen during this congress can easily be reversed.

In the mean time the politicians with the aid of the media will use the next year to argue that spending cuts don't work to re-stimulate the economy (even though almost none of them actually happened). Then in 2012 it is up in the air as to which path we will go down.

I want to fix the problem rather than treat the symptoms... I'm going to vote Ron Paul.
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whatsit2yadudes
Veni, Vidi, Dormivi
04:32 PM on 08/01/2011
This article is bogus. Moody's has already stated there is no reason to believe the credit rating of the USA to fall.
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06:06 PM on 08/01/2011
They said exactly the opposite and put us on watch. the reason stated was continued spending not the debt ceiling. The statement is on lin.
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n2zyk
04:11 PM on 08/01/2011
These clowns cut a total of 2 lousy days spending from the budget, and they think they worked some sort of magic remady. Give me a break, We orrow 4 billion a day and they CUT a whole 7Billion. What a joke.
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n2zyk
04:05 PM on 08/01/2011
What would one expect when your so far in debt you can only pay the interest, and you CUT a whole 2 days worth of borrowing from your budget?
03:52 PM on 08/01/2011
Why must we play into their hands and go along with this non-sense about the ratings,etc???.

By now it is an established fact, this crisis is the brain-child of the GOP; they devised this farce for the sole purpose in their quest for a power grab.
What part of that are you NOT understanding here ???.

Rest assured, they could have never pulled off this farce without the help of the co-owner of the MONOPOLY holder of our politics.

Every American should feel offended and insulted each time one of those to have created this crisis get infront of the cameras declaring, " washington spends too much"; to listen and to believe their propagandas of lies is to be UNAWARE of the fact they are an integral part of government, they were the ones doing the rubber-stamping for the massive spending for you see, they've been a part of government for over a quarter century; they ALL helped themselves to our FICA tax-dollars and blew it building bridges to nowhere.

Ok, so we were wrong for falling asleep at the switch - while they were spending, but to think these nation-fleecers have answers is to believe in Santa Clause for, they don't have solution but how could they when , THEY ARE THE PROBLEM !!!!!.

Wake up Americans, it's time to empty and clean that ce$$pool we've come to know as Congress; They've all become corrupt..
03:43 PM on 08/01/2011
The fact is the whole thing is a hoax. Spending is cut by a very small perecentage while the politicians claim victory. The tea party is right, if we don't stop the spending spree by O and his cattle, we are doomed to far worse things that Moodys and S&P can do.
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whatsit2yadudes
Veni, Vidi, Dormivi
03:27 PM on 08/01/2011
The media first says that Moody's is going to downgrade America's credit rating, then on the following day you say Moody's states that the USA in no danger of the downgrade at all. NOW...you go right back to saying the credit rating WILL be downgraded. It's obvious to us out here, that media haven't a damn clue WHAT is going on. You simply publish a story to have a story to publish. In that respect you are no better than a Tabloid.
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johngary66
Accused of heresy and decided to go with that.
06:05 PM on 08/01/2011
The Lame Stream media is all Corporate owned and controlled now. Their ideal is to make money saying nothing unless it bolsters the transfer of funds from the middle class to the elite.Trusting them is exactly like trusting a politician. They completely ignore stories that are very important to the country. Like everybody who took part in the collapse in the economy has been rewarded. Everyone who wasn't is still being victimized. Have you heard anything in the media about the culpability in the scandal and fraud by the credit rating agencies like Standard and Poor or Moody's who rated toxic mortgages Triple AAA? I sure haven't.
03:22 PM on 08/01/2011
Well of course the rating will be downgraded. What did you expect? What would happen if you had a person who ows so much and brags they're going to borrow more.