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Super Congress Getting Even More Super Powers In Debt Deal

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First Posted: 07/31/11 11:52 AM ET Updated: 09/30/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- In order to shore up GOP support for a deal to raise the debt ceiling, Senate Democrats are exploring ways of giving the proposed "super Congress" even greater super powers, according to multiple news reports and congressional aides with knowledge of the plan.

Under the new proposal, if the new legislative body, made up of six Democrats and six Republicans from both chambers, doesn't come up with a bill that cuts at least $1.5 trillion by Thanksgiving, entitlement programs will automatically be slashed.

Under the reported framework, legislation the new congressional committee writes would be fast-tracked through Congress and could not be filibustered or amended.

The parties have been negotiating the particulars of cuts that would be enacted if budget-cutting legislation coming out of the super Congress could not get passed, deciding roughly how much in cuts would come from different parts of the federal budget, including defense spending and entitlement programs like Medicare.

According to sources and a number of reports, the parties were settled on an equal split between cuts to the defense budget and trims to Medicare providers, which in theory would spare Medicare beneficiaries.

Last weekend, HuffPost reported on the extraordinary powers being delegated to the emerging super Congress, but most beltway media has largely dismissing the group as just another Washington commission.

On Sunday, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and his counterpart, Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) sought to disabuse everyone of that notion.

"The joint committee -- there are no constraints," Reid said on the Senate floor. "They can look at any program we have in government, any program. ... It has the ability to look at everything."

"Let me emphasize the joint committee," McConnell said Sunday morning on CNN's "State of the Union." "In the early stages of this discussion, the press was talking about another commission. This is not a commission. This is a powerful, joint committee with a equal number of Republicans and Senate -- equal number of Republicans and Democrats, and, to make recommendation back to the Senate and House by Thanksgiving of this year for an up or down vote. Think of the base closing legislation that we passed a few years ago for an up or down vote in the Senate."

The sticking point, said McConnell and sources, was that Republicans were insisting on "triggers" that would automatically fire at beneficiaries of Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare if the super Congress doesn't act.

The 50-50 compromise appears to have resolved the impasse, but rank-and-file House and Senate members still had to sign on. And the defense cuts -- brokered the White House -- should have the consequence of enlisting defense lobbyists to push for entitlement cuts to stave off their own reductions.

If seniors didn't have enough to worry about, they could now be on the opposite side of Washington's most entrenched lobby.

A beefed-up super Congress will be difficult for House Democrats to swallow, but they are used to being force fed legislation they hate. In the past, they have passed unpalatable legislation under pressure -- usually by the White House -- to prevent the latest professed calamity from happening. Last winter they traded away the expiration of the Bush tax cuts for the rich to get extended unemployment insurance.

That same process has already begun to unfold in this debate. House Democrats met in a caucus meeting yesterday to be briefed on the negotiations. "Caucus yesterday was devoted to how we all really needed to vote for the sucky Reid plan," said one House Democrat. "Obviously a lot of House Dems, probably most House Dems, will oppose this, but I'm not sure how many of our votes they'll need."

"There were a number of vehement warnings that votes in favor of the Reid bill should not be interpreted as blank checks for the next round of talks," said another Democrat.

"There is nothing good about being in the minority and having to work with these guys whose number one goal is to take down the President and the economy -- not come to a solution," said another House Democrat.

The progressive advocacy group MoveOn.org also fired out a statement condemning the reported framework reached between the White House and congressional Republicans, including the proposed super Congress and its triggers.

“The reason Republicans want a “Super Congress," especially one that triggers automatic cuts if it fails to reach agreement, is because it would let them slash Medicare and other vital services with no accountability," said MoveOn.org Executive Director Justin Ruben. "It is extremely troubling that it now appears that some Democrats are willing to give in to Republican demands to make this already disastrous plan worse for working families.

If both chambers of Congress swallow the scheme, the next vital component will be which legislators are picked to be the all-powerful members of the budget board.

"It will be essential to choose members with minds willing to consider every option, even when the options are tough pills to swallow for both parties," Reid warned. "Cooperation is the only way forward. Compromise is the only way forward."

This report has been updated to include new details that have developed on Sunday.

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WASHINGTON -- In order to shore up GOP support for a deal to raise the debt ceiling, Senate Democrats are exploring ways of giving the proposed "super Congress" even greater super powers, according to...
WASHINGTON -- In order to shore up GOP support for a deal to raise the debt ceiling, Senate Democrats are exploring ways of giving the proposed "super Congress" even greater super powers, according to...
 
 
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temmaleah
04:23 AM on 09/28/2011
this super congress "commitee" basically doesn't have to do anything (as usual). if they don't agree on items that SHOULD be eliminated;like loopholes,subsidies ,earmarks,giving themselves raises, giving up their perks like free lunches and haircuts and gym time; as well as a higher quality of health insurance. so all they have to do is what they do best; bicker back and forth and do nothing. and lo and behold...they cut anything the middle class and the poor need.so, we give foreign aid and arms to despots,go to war and maintain military prescence in numerous countries-but we don't cut that.or tax ceo's that earns over 100% increase in income
05:36 PM on 08/15/2011
Harry Reid warned. "It will be essential to choose members with minds willing to consider every option, even when the options are tough pills to swallow for both parties...Cooperation is the only way forward. Compromise is the only way forward." However, it would be more encouraging to hear those same words from the mouth of Mitch McConnell!

To paraphrase Tom Friedman, never trust "... anyone stupid enough to sign a pledge—thereby abdicating their governing responsibilities..." The Republican Party has been taken over by a cult-like pack of pledge-signing groupies. The GOP acts like a bunch of mindless robots—they all say the same things, even use the same exact words. They’re dysfunctionally spooky!
03:00 AM on 08/10/2011
Why do people keep pointing at the office of the President for help on the economy. The president has very little power over the US economic polices. Nine tenths of the presidents job is foreign policy. Congress writes the budget and it's their job to monitor the economy and set policy in that regard. The President has the veto and a very powerful voice with the voters, but in the end, it's up to congress to pass legislation and get the job done. If you are looking for improvements in our economy, vote out the members of congress. If you keep congress as it is and just get a different president in 2012 then nothing in the economy will change.
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Robert Gudzikowski
free,natural,harmless,individual
02:37 PM on 08/07/2011
momentary light afflictions be of any real consequence?

If you only understood that you don’t own you. If only you understood that you have been mandated by God to submit the entirety of your SELF to their care, the conflict would not exist. You don’t own you, so how can you object to a violation of your personal boundaries, aspirations, wants, and desires? It is all sin, and they are doing God’s work by standing in the way of your determination to carry out your sinful self.
06:21 PM on 08/06/2011
Well, it looks like it's about time to join your local militias and start another revolution.
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Douglas Holmes II
11:44 AM on 08/06/2011
Super-congress, eh?

HAH! YEAH! WHEN PIGS WALK!

What was that you said? 4 legs good, two legs better?
11:40 PM on 08/04/2011
The Super Congress is a direct violation of the US Constitution. Congress receives it's power from the People. Congress, the President and Judicial Courts in this time in history is no longer representing the will and legal vote of the People. This is a direct violation of the US Constitution. Tyrany is upon us and the shackles of enslavement is in the not so distant future for common Man. Who will save us from Tyranny?
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MovieGuy2010
You can't fight in here..this is the war room!
06:41 PM on 08/04/2011
Wow, where all the Obama *ss kissers who were saying I was just trashing the President, cause he REALLY suckered the baggers on this deal?

Two things to pay attention two, all those polls that said, Dems LIKED this deal and Repubs did not?

Because, the Repubs STICK to their guns, and anything that is not total victory is a SATAN SANDWITCH to their base.

They KEEP the fear of God in their pols, which is why this plan is STILL moving to the right.

THE BEST case scenario we will get out of this SUPER CONGRESS IS

1. a phased in (5 Year) change to the Chained CPI index to SS
2. The age for Medicare eligibility goes to 67 in 3-5 years
3. Some SMALL changes to the defense budget (under 100 billion max)
4. some SMALL changes to taxes, WHICH will THEN be fillibustered, while the REST of this goes to an up or down vote.

Get it, get the game here?

The Triggers Will be EVEN WORSE, that's the point.

The trick was, ANY REVENUE CHANGE HAS to go through the regular congress process, where it will be blocked by Repubs.

The UP or DOWN Vote will ONLY cut discretionary Spending and SS and Medicare.

This is simply a way to ram the Cutting side of Simpson-Bowles down our throat, and give our Congress Critters cover, beause the choice was

1. Satan Sandwitch
2. Triggers for a DOUBLE ORDER of Satan Sandwitches....
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NavyRetiredInTexas
MNCM (Ret)
05:48 PM on 08/04/2011
One Democrat says "Caucus yesterday was devoted to how we all really needed to vote for the sucky Reid plan" and another DEMOCRAT said "There is nothing good about being in the minority and having to work with these guys whose number one goal is to take down the President and the economy". So it's Senator Reid (that's Democrat Senator Reid) who's "number one goal is to take down the President and the economy"? I just may brt to like old Reid if he wants BigO out of the White House as bad as the majority of Americans do!!!
09:42 AM on 08/04/2011
This is my line in the sand.....I will join any revolution against the US government if this happens. Yeah FBI, you've got my word on it.
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PragmaticStatistic
07:43 AM on 08/04/2011
In a silent invasion, the US was attacked yesterday and a new government is now in place. So, welcome to the multi-national corporate oligarchy of The United States of Goldman Sachs and Peers. As of this morning your elected Congress will no longer make the big decisions. They have replaced themselves with a small elite group, called a Super Congress, with the powers to force us to agree with the agenda of a corporate oligarchy of banks headed by the one bank with the most government influence worldwide.

Oh, you don’t think that is possible? Then, read the article "Super Congress: Welcome to The United States of Goldman Sachs and Peers."
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SILVANUS
Moving to Italy indefinitely. God Bless All.
04:41 PM on 08/03/2011
Just keep watching your crap corporate TV, America, and lose your freedom. This is the same as a communist politburo...
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Crawleykakes
I live in a pond !
03:35 PM on 08/03/2011
The second I heard of this backdoor play for members of Congress to avoid responsibility by cloaking (THE COMES OUT BACK END OF A BULL ) in a new branch of Government .... I thought that anyone with basic understanding of constitutional law would know this fish smells real bad ????? Next Election ALL incumbents must go including the President !
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ron45lee
03:24 PM on 08/03/2011
all this will do is make it easier for the rich to buy these polititions
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dgibson969
10:26 AM on 08/03/2011
I want to help this "Super Congress" get off to a Super Start! Look no further than Tax free institutions like "Religions"! Its about time that they started paying for all the trouble they cause in and around the world. They divide famlies, over-stress individuals, molest our children, and start wars! Its time, they all paid their fair share to our debt crisis! I say, they need to start paying back taxes immediately, and pay off the 15 trillion dollars America is under.