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Pope Benedict's Visit To Germany Generates Anticipation, Tension

Pope Benedict Germany

First Posted: 08/01/11 06:53 PM ET Updated: 10/01/11 06:12 AM ET

By Niels Sorrells
c. 2011 Religion News Service

BERLIN (RNS) A German visiting Germany isn't normally big news. Even if it's a famous expatriate German returning home for a visit, such returns to the homeland are hardly front-page stories.

But this is a visit by Pope Benedict XVI and, strictly speaking, his first state visit as head of the Holy See to his native Germany. His trip in 2005 was strictly pastoral, for World Youth Day. His 2006 visit was personal, a sojourn to his home state of Bavaria. This time the protocol is a little more political.

Benedict, 84, is scheduled to meet this fall with Germany's president and chancellor, as well as numerous Protestant, Eastern Orthodox, Jewish and Muslim leaders, according to the Vatican.

Expectations are also ratcheting upwards. When the visit was first announced, there was talk of the pope hosting a Mass in Berlin's historic Bebelplatz, which can hold hundreds.

But demand was greater than expected, so the planned Mass was moved to the Charlottenburg castle.

Then demand surpassed the castle's capacity and the event was moved to Berlin's Olympic stadium, with space for more than 74,000. The system distributing tickets for this and other events during the September 22-25 visit crashed due to heavy demand.

"As soon as the papal visit was announced, we went to the authorities and told them that a lot of Germans would be excited," said Theodor Bolzenius, spokesman for the Central Committee of German Catholics. "You can see from the numbers that we were right."

Despite the demand for tickets, it's hard to discern much excitement in day-to-day life about the upcoming visit -- nothing, at least, like 2005, when Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was named pope and headlines around the country -- as well as a music video -- proudly declared "Wir sind Papst!" (We are the pope).

Six years on, the fact of a German pope has become natural.

"The great euphoria is past," says Simon Rapp, federal chaplain of the Association of German Catholic Youth. "After six years, it's everyday that the pope is German."

It doesn't help that a lingering child abuse scandal that centered on church-run facilities continues to pop up in headlines, with new allegations of abuse and reports on the church's efforts to compensate victims.

The best thing Benedict could do, says Rapp, is just speak clearly about the issues facing the church: the loss of membership; the ongoing abuse scandals; and the divisions between Catholic factions seeking liberalization and those that oppose change.

"He could just clearly say that he understands that we're in a crisis," said Rapp.

Christian Herwartz, who helps run the website Nacktesohlen (naked souls) agrees. "It has to be possible to air griefs."

Forsa, a leading German polling agency, noted that trust in the pope plummeted nine percentage points, down to 29 percent, between 2010 and 2011. At the same time, trust in the Catholic church declined eight percentage points to 21 percent.

In advance of Benedict's visit, the Association of German Catholic Youth and We are Church -- Germany's biggest Catholic reform movement -- have called for rethinking the church's stance on ordination of women and priestly celibacy, among other issues.

"If you read the surveys, it says that 80 percent of Catholics are for reforms," said We are Church spokesman Christian Weisner. "Of course, it's not like people are taking to the streets over this."

Nonetheless, he said group members would hold one or two events before the visit to remind Benedict of their calls for liberalization on questions like gay ordination and women's role in the church.

But Weisner said he doesn't expect to receive any audience. "The ability of this pope to engage in dialogue seems to be pretty limited.

"There won't be any access. ... The expectations are very, very low."

Websites like Nacktesohlen are asking how Benedict will handle meetings with President Christian Wulff, who is a divorced Catholic and other Catholic political leaders who buck church teaching.

"I hope for this kind of dialogue, where it might spark up," said Herwartz.

This being Germany, the land of Martin Luther, a lot of attention will also focus on an ecumenical meeting between the pope and leaders of the Protestant church.

Although some expect little more than a photo opportunity to come out of the meeting, others said that even this symbolic meeting could be a chance for the pope to speak out in a country that is so often divided along Catholic-Protestant lines.

Rapp said that many Germans face the issue every day, living with or even marrying someone from the other faith.

"A statement that this is not abnormal would be good," he said.

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By Niels Sorrells c. 2011 Religion News Service BERLIN (RNS) A German visiting Germany isn't normally big news. Even if it's a famous expatriate German returning home for a visit, such returns to ...
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03:38 PM on 09/06/2011
Actually there are more pedophiles in the teaching profession so where is the ban the teacher movement? Anti-Catholic bigotry doesn't go away - just changes it's tune over the years.
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Albert Westpy
Socialist to the end !
08:24 PM on 08/03/2011
I find it fitting that Joseph Ratinger, while in Berlin, host a Roman Catholic Mass at the Olympiastadion ( Olympic Stadium ) originally costructed with NSDAP money and grounds decorated with nude sculptures of athletes by Karl Albikers.
10:35 PM on 08/03/2011
"...constructed with NSDAP money...."

So we shouldn't drive volkswagens because the company "Volkswagen" was originally founded by a Nazi Trade Union? And what about the Porsche, the "People's Car" for Hitler? It was also a "Nazi automobile." And since when is a car or a stadium the true standard of virtue?

Isn't it ironic today that free Americans drive "Nazi-inspired" cars. Well, one of the great lessons of WWII is that Nazi cars and properties were tranferred from the hands of killers, of unfit people, to a free people, who built a great country on the ruins of their factories and cities.

Agree about Albikers' statues. Alongside Michelangelo's nudes, Albikers' nudes are fifth rate. The perfection of good art is to conceal art; Albikers couldn't and thus gives us crafts instead of art. But even his crafts are valueless.
KennebunkportIndependent
Back in my day, we had NINE planets.
06:03 AM on 08/04/2011
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KennebunkportIndependent
Back in my day, we had NINE planets.
06:04 AM on 08/04/2011
The US space program is another example.
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European1919
I am the PigmⒶn
06:32 AM on 08/04/2011
Never kept you from flying to pesky rockets into space and to the moon. They were designed and built by Nazis.
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Whinger
I'm Just Me!
12:49 PM on 08/03/2011
I'm coming home, I'm coming home, tell the world I'm coming home
Let the rain wash away all the pain of yesterday!

It would take more than rain to wash away the pain this old man and his apostles have caused.
KennebunkportIndependent
Back in my day, we had NINE planets.
12:48 PM on 08/03/2011
And the throngs of boys in leather shorts wait to greet him.......................one of their own:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdkg5sPf-tk
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European1919
I am the PigmⒶn
06:32 AM on 08/04/2011
You mean the thongs ...
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brokerallen
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08:42 PM on 08/02/2011
I think the Popes credibility has gone way down over his handling of sex offending priests. I'm not very interested in anything he has to say.
02:55 PM on 08/02/2011
As a refresher, here's a quick summary of how the Pope is chosen:

Cardinals enter the Conclave to choose which of them will become Pope. If they disclose anything that must be secret, it is grounds for automatic excommunication.

They take seats around the wall of the Sistine Chapel and write a name on a card, fold it, and put their vote in a chalice. The votes are counted, the names read aloud, and tallied on a sheet. An assistant runs a needle and thread through the center of each ballot to join them and they are burned. If a new Pope is elected, the papers are burned with a chemical that gives off white smoke. If not, they give off the typical black smoke. They vote on the afternoon of the first day, twice each morning, and twice each afternoon.

To be elected Pope, one cardinal must receive at least two-thirds of the votes. If a certain number of ballots have taken place without any Cardinal being elected Pope, they can then elect by simple majority. In the past, it has often been the case that a particular candidate has a solid majority support but cannot garner the required 2/3 majority (e.g. he's too conservative). Therefore, a compromise candidate is chosen, either an old Pope who will die soon and not do much until the next conciliate or someone not so hard-line wins support.
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grailknight
is happily godless
09:44 PM on 08/02/2011
Cardinals enter the Conclave to choose which of them will become Pope. If they disclose anything that must be secret, it is grounds for automatic excommunic­ation.

While this true, it always seems that the politicking of the election gets leaked.
KennebunkportIndependent
Back in my day, we had NINE planets.
12:51 PM on 08/03/2011
So, let me get this right -

The Cardinals are like Kleagles who elect the new leader? And they also wear white robes?  With hoods?

Got it.
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Dragosurfer
I surf, therefore I am…..
01:56 PM on 08/02/2011
Is it just me, or does da pope look evil?
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grailknight
is happily godless
09:45 PM on 08/02/2011
not so much evil as disengaged.
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Dragosurfer
I surf, therefore I am…..
10:11 PM on 08/02/2011
I know, it looks like he's watching a soccer game and his team is loosing 4 to zero with 1 minute left to go, and they finally score. So he's like, yea, big deal, we're going to loose.
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TheWM
aka The Wrong Monkey
12:31 PM on 08/02/2011
Raise the roof, Benny's comin' home!
KennebunkportIndependent
Back in my day, we had NINE planets.
12:53 PM on 08/03/2011
Like this?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21lzMUasm40
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Veritas is Pro Life
Follower of Christ, Family Man and Marine
11:03 AM on 08/02/2011
It's so great that God has blessed us with a strong leader like Pope Benedict. Just a few weeks before he heads to Germany, He'll be in Spain at World Youth Day helping the young in the Church prepare for the strong evangalization that is needed in the West. There will be a crowd of over a million in Madrid. I can't wait to be there!!
Certainly the Pope will use his time with the German leaders to encourage them to embrace the culture of life and move away from the culture of death so rampant in Europe and the US. If they don't listen, they will no longer be a really German nation.
Veritas.
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johnnybic
Seeking to impose the gay agenda since 1971
04:00 PM on 08/02/2011
I hope when you meet him he takes his ring off and puts it in his back pocket. (Sorry, Veritas, I just couldn't resist)
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Veritas is Pro Life
Follower of Christ, Family Man and Marine
04:14 PM on 08/02/2011
johnny,
I am not the smartest kid in class, so I did not understand your joke...sorry. Veritas.
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grailknight
is happily godless
09:54 PM on 08/02/2011
Veritas, you make me laugh whenever I see your posts. Benedict, a strong leader! Being a reactionary is not good leadership. Denial of crisis is not leadership. And this "culture of life and culture of death.," please, we are in a death-denying society! JPII coined that phrase, or perhaps improperly interpretted as "culture of killing" sounds appropriate. But even that such lessons being taught by a former member of Hitlerjungend?
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Veritas is Pro Life
Follower of Christ, Family Man and Marine
11:14 AM on 08/03/2011
grail, glad to provide comic relief to HP world. You know Pope B XVI leads the Church in a postive, loving way, publicly appoligizing where appropriate, standing ground where needed. No lack of backbone like our president. He's stirring Roman Catholics into an evangalizing whirlwind, using technology to spread God's Word.
You know our culture is of death. From abortion tragedy supported by society/government to support for suicide. Even the "sexual revolution" has left many without true love and no real meaning in life, part of this world fostering no respect for life, but seeks to eliminate it.

Don't be lazy, don't accept easy to spread half lies about this great man. Do research.

This from one of your hero's website's sounds fairly accurate:

"•At age, 14 membership in Germany's "Hitler Youth" became mandatory. So Joseph Ratzinger enrolled
•He managed to get out early so he could study for the priesthood.
•Two years later, when he was 16, Ratzinger was drafted again by the German Army.
•Ratzinger worked as a helper in an anti-aircraft briagde.
•In 1945, he was put through basic training and stationed near his hometown in Bavaria.
•When Allied forces advanced, he deserted the German army — risking death by that act alone.
•After he escaped, Ratzinger was captured by American soldiers and spent the remainder of the war in a POW camp."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7576505/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann/t/popes-nazi-past/

Veritas.
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Dragosurfer
I surf, therefore I am…..
10:11 AM on 08/02/2011
Big deal, even if they fill the olympic stadium with 74,000 people; that would only represent 0.085% of the German population. And knowing Europe and Germany like I do, because I spend a lot of time there, a lot of people that attend will not be Germans.

The good news is Catholic numbers are falling around the world. I hope to see the end of this out-dated, good-O'l-Boys club in my lifetime.
05:01 PM on 08/02/2011
"...a lot of the people that attend will not be Germans."

Simply not so, Dragosurfer. Two German scholars from my school will be going. Parishes in many of the dioceses throughout Germany were given just so many tickets, but not enough for the demand. As a result, lots of German Catholics who want to attend, won't be able to.

And filling a stadium is still pretty unique. Whoever can fill a stadium deserves attention. No other religious leader in Europe can do that.
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Dragosurfer
I surf, therefore I am…..
05:26 PM on 08/02/2011
Lot's people will be coming from other parts of Europe for this, and Germany has a large immigrant population. Regardless, the Catholic are having a lot of trouble filling the pews and keeping the lights on; and that is good news. I have a party every time a Catholic church closes.
KennebunkportIndependent
Back in my day, we had NINE planets.
12:55 PM on 08/03/2011
Lots of Poles will be there.
01:45 PM on 08/03/2011
They'll be there, but with no tickets. The Germans got those.
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onlyThis
All I Am is You
09:14 AM on 08/02/2011
Ah, Papa Ratzi!
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KrautMan
Carpe jugulum
06:48 AM on 08/02/2011
"Nacktesohlen" does not translate to 'naked souls' but to 'naked soles'.
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mrkurtzhedead
I'll be back, when it's dark!
06:35 AM on 08/02/2011
Ausblenden der Kinder!
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01:52 AM on 08/02/2011
The old man in the funny clothes (who was personally chosen by god to lead us) visits Germany, a bit like Bruno senior goes home.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
01:27 AM on 08/02/2011
German federal border police, it's now your turn to do your bit for justice where your british and spanish colleagues have failed. Turn him back or detain him.