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Unemployed Ignored In Debt Ceiling Deal


First Posted: 08/01/11 12:32 PM ET Updated: 10/01/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- The long-term unemployed have been left out of a deal between congressional negotiators and the White House to enact massive spending cuts and raise the nation's debt ceiling before its borrowing limit is reached on Tuesday.

Under the so-called grand bargain President Obama tried to strike with House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), federal unemployment benefits would have been extended beyond January 2012, when they are set to expire.

But those negotiations collapsed in July. On Sunday, congressional leaders and the administration crafted a not-so-grand bargain that will cut spending without raising taxes or preserving stimulus programs like federal unemployment insurance.

Asked Sunday night why spending to help the unemployed had been left out of the deal, a White House official said, "because it had to be part of a bigger deal to be part of this."

In other words, Democrats need significant leverage to get Republicans to agree to additional spending on the unemployed. Federal unemployment insurance programs, which kick in for laid off workers who use up 26 weeks of state benefits, cost a lot of money: Keeping the programs through this year required an estimated $56 billion. In December, Democrats only managed to keep the programs alive for another 13 months by attaching them to a two-year reauthorization of tax cuts.

Anyone laid off after July 1 is ineligible for extra weeks of benefits under current law. People who started filing claims in July who exhaust their six months of state benefits in January will be on their own. (People who are in the middle of a "tier" of federal benefits will probably be able to receive the remaining weeks in their tier, but they will definitely be ineligible for the next level up.) Since 2008, layoff victims could receive as many as 73 additional weeks of benefits, depending on what state they lived in.

Nearly 4 million people currently claim benefits under the two main federal programs (known as Emergency Unemployment Compensation and Extended Benefits), according to the latest numbers from the Labor Department. Another 3 million are on state benefits.

The White House official suggested it would be easier for the administration to preserve a Social Security payroll tax cut enacted as part of the December deal because Republicans would view its expiration as a tax increase. "The payroll tax cut will be extended because if they do not that would be a tax increase on every American, something I'm confident, if you believe Speaker Boehner when he says we will not have tax increases, it will have to be [extended]," the official said.

Asked if the White House would continue to push for a reauthorization of federal unemployment benefits, the official said, "Absolutely, we will absolutely keep pushing for that."

The unemployment rate is not expected to come down anytime soon, and economic forecasters said earlier versions of the deal currently awaiting action in Congress would significantly slow economic growth because of reduced government spending.

Judy Conti is a lobbyist who deals with Congress and the administration for the National Employment Law Project, a worker advocacy group. She agreed with the official that unemployment benefits would have to be part of a big deal.

"Things like the payroll tax holiday and unemployment insurance are controversial and increasingly partisan issues. In order for those to be resolved so far in advance before their expiration there would have had to have been a very significant deal," Conti said. "Once the grand bargain died, the chance for any meaningful stimulus died as well."

Sam Stein contributed reporting.

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WASHINGTON -- The long-term unemployed have been left out of a deal between congressional negotiators and the White House to enact massive spending cuts and raise the nation's debt ceiling before its ...
WASHINGTON -- The long-term unemployed have been left out of a deal between congressional negotiators and the White House to enact massive spending cuts and raise the nation's debt ceiling before its ...
WASHINGTON -- The long-term unemployed have been left out of a deal between congressional negotiators and the White House to enact massive spending cuts and raise the nation's debt ceiling before its ...
WASHINGTON -- The long-term unemployed have been left out of a deal between congressional negotiators and the White House to enact massive spending cuts and raise the nation's debt ceiling before its ...
 
 
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Marcospinelli 12:54 PM on 08/01/2011
Unemployment is at 9.2 percent.  There have been 3.5 million home foreclosures so far in this meltdown with another 11 million in the pipeline.  11 MILLION.  That's 15 million families about to lose their homes.  With these foreclosures come another wave of job losses, more business downturns which will lead to another round of both home and commercial real estate foreclosures.  Read More...
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Aaron Calhoun
What are you DOING to improve things?
08:22 PM on 08/21/2011
"In December, Democrats only managed to keep the programs alive for another 13 months by attaching them to a two-year reauthorization of tax cuts."

This statement could just as accurately read "In December, Democrats only managed to ensure middle-class workers wouldn't go completely broke by agreeing to ensure the rich get even richer."

This position alone ought to be enough for any reasonable person to understand the fundamental difference between progressive / liberal principles and their regressive counterparts.
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nypapajoe
08:42 AM on 08/06/2011
Every time you wonder what else can this President do to push him further away from you, he TOPS it by doing something even more incriminating than the last! My Brother, my job is not to defend your Presidency it's to support it and contribute to it but your moves only serves to disown you! Let us hope that within the next couple of months that you either have an epiphany and chance your ill advised ways or you start to take some extremely drastic moves to rid yourself of your advisors and start acting Presidential! I'm waiting, we're waiting the nation is paralyzed and there's no one in the drivers seat! Hello!
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my3geez
My Pearls R Baroque ;-)
03:27 AM on 08/04/2011
Unemployment won't improve with the current attitude on Capitol Hill ... Sheeesh, throwing away FAA tax money, leaving thousands unpaid ....... and the construction == you can't get this time back, there is only so many NON FROZEN DAYS ...
12:57 PM on 08/03/2011
This should be easy enough for all to follow.

EXAMPLE:

Rick Scott (Gov of Florida) has created 76,800 jobs since he took office in January 2011 (Total of 8 months).

There is atleast 394,500+ Florida college students during any given year.
Lets assume 1/5 graduate that particular year. That alone absorbs the available jobs market - solely college graduates. Where are the other 1million currently receiving unemployment and the other 1million unemployed (99ers etc) who are no longer eligible to receive unemployment benefits therefore aren't counted in the Bureu of Labor Statistics suppose to find jobs?

Florida unemployment: 10.6% (receiving unemployment) + 8.1% (undocumented unemployed 99ers, etc ) EQUALS 18.7%

This path is unsustainable. The US has got itself into a very difficult situation.
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kemcha
Advocate for the 99ers
05:55 PM on 08/02/2011
The unemployed need to get over it, there are no more unemployment extensions coming. While I'm a 99ers, one of those who exhausted their unemployment benefits, unemployment benefits should NOT be extended under ANY circumstances unless the 99ers are included or Congress includes a fifth tier of benefits so that EVERY unemployed American benefits from it.

While many unemployed will blast me for this, I think it's deplorable that all of the unemployed whiners out there scream and stomp their feet when their benefits are not extended but where were those Tier 1-4 unemployed Americans when the 99ers needed their support to get Congress to include the 99ers in these bills. Since last year, the Tier 1-4 unemployed have seen their benefits extended three (3) times, while the 99ers continue to suffer.

I think it would serve the Tier 1-4 unemployed right, and that it would be what they deserved, if unemployment benefits aren't extended. It's time that they stopped acting selfish and start helping the 99ers. Otherwise, stop whining and get a job.
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Aaron Calhoun
What are you DOING to improve things?
08:33 PM on 08/21/2011
Let me see if I have right....you exhausted all 99 months of your unemployment, but believe that others who may NOT get that same benefit ought to get over it and stop "whining" unless YOU get more than the max you already got, while those "whiners" would simply be getting what you ALREADY GOT?

How does that make ANY sense in any reasonably sane person's mind?

Unemployment benefits are just that: A BENEFIT. You received your BENEFIT for the maximum time frame allowed by law, and others are simply hoping that they might be afforded the SAME benefit YOU already got....but you're saying that because they ended up unemployed more recently than you did or worked intermittently during their overall period of unemployment, they are not entitled to the same benefit as you unless YOU get to collect even more than they're even hoping to.

I mean, really....the unreasonableness and complete lack of any logical frame of reference for your argument is astounding to the point of being almost unbelievable.

Maybe you were being sarcastic? Aside from complete and utter delusion or narcissism, that's the only rational explanation for your position.

So which is it? Delusion, narcissism, or sarcasm?
05:14 PM on 08/02/2011
So what I've gathered from the comments:

There are proverbial JOB deserts all over America

It is of no fault of LOCAL government either....they have nothing to do with creating an atmosphere for in which business owners feel welcome.

It is all the Republican's fault.

It is afterall the business owners who owe it to the public to bring the jobs to their door step.

There are lines of 1000 people or more for a single job opening.

These comment pages are way more important than lets say Monster dot com.

It is up to the government to decide one's ambitions and career path.

This is a GREAT place to commiserate about how bad things are for us.
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ScarlettMocha
Listening for the Truth
04:06 PM on 08/02/2011
The key group missing is the American people. That was a deal between greedy wealthy corporate tycoons and the Pee party.
03:29 PM on 08/02/2011
Just some 411 for all you people getting your thrills out of bashing the unemployed. You conveniently over look the fact of discrimination being a large part of the unemployment problem. You are fooling yourself if you DO NOT believe employers are practicing discrimination. They are also getting away with it. However, it probably gives you a better feeling inside to criticize the unemployed. Well, at least until another article comes up on how illegals are invading America- Right?
05:29 PM on 08/02/2011
Some folks have such a barbaric mentality and nature that they get enjoyment out of this kind of nonsense, like ravenous wolves closing in on their prey. They have been programmed and brainwashed to act out in such ways until they're number comes up and then they adopt the "Woe is me!" mentality and they look to others for sympathy although they had none for others who fell on hard times. You remember the story of
Paul Revere when he warned that the Britsh were coming. Well, now the Chinese and others are coming!!! They don't see it coming because they are too busy with nonsense.
robertaruth
The answer is in the music
03:17 PM on 08/02/2011
I see a lot of posts about "where are the jobs."

Yes -- where ARE the jobs that were supposed to be created by extending the tax cuts for the wealthy and corporate "job creators?"
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memememeeeee
I should runs for Congress... I are actually smart
04:31 PM on 08/02/2011
they are with the small businesses that being killed! billions of dollars are diverted to large corporations, by federal contracting fraud. they take it all, small businesses lose. check out www.asbl.com it's interesitng to see who is to blame that no one seems to be talking about!
02:16 PM on 08/02/2011
Long term unemployment benefits should be given only to those who suffer from serious illnesses. Americans need to get butts in and cut grass, wait tables, make ice cream cones, and whatever else. American society has stigmatized and made a mockery out of honest work. Everybody MUST go to the university to become "successful." Complete nonsense.
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Loxinabox
I live in a van down by the river
02:33 PM on 08/02/2011
Time for Obama to come up with the thousands of shovel ready jobs we paid millions for!
robertaruth
The answer is in the music
03:21 PM on 08/02/2011
Oooooh! I just posted on that subject. Yes, where ARE those jobs that were supposed to be created by keeping the tax cuts for the corporations and wealthiest Americans? The so-called job creators.
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Cordell Cameron
A Corporation is a person when Texas executes one.
09:35 PM on 08/02/2011
Public Works is the way to go. That requires a lot more people not holding shovels than holding them in this age. You need IT personnel, architects, planners, HR personnel, accountants, receptionists, geologists, surveyors, not to mention every person who works in a plant that supplies the materials like steel, concrete, wood, paper.... and the list goes on and on. A public works project will save this economy.
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decat2
"He who governs best,governs least"
02:13 PM on 08/02/2011
Cows may come,and cows may go,but in our capital the Bull goes on forever !
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Loxinabox
I live in a van down by the river
02:30 PM on 08/02/2011
A nice detailed account of the agreement http://bit.ly/JeffRoo
01:48 PM on 08/02/2011
There's too much fraud among the "unemployed."


http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/indiana/rv-factory-workers-fired-for-taking-jobless-benefits
03:31 PM on 08/12/2011
There is more fraud in Congress. Let be consistent then and cut out that,too.
01:42 PM on 08/02/2011
The Republican/Tea Party has every wish to prevent the American worker from regaining lost jobs or finding new good paying jobs and presently has no reason to quit shipping our jobs to the third world. This branch of the Republican party only desires more wealth for their political masters, the top 1%. The longer and deeper the recession the more assets the wealthy can purchase at bargain basement prices. When they finally allow the economy to start recovering by spending the cash they today hoard, they will have a work force of American serfs created by desperation and Republican political manipulation.
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Loxinabox
I live in a van down by the river
02:37 PM on 08/02/2011
Why are you lying? Do you hate yourself so much?
03:04 PM on 08/02/2011
What makes you think I am lying did "GOD" Grover Norquist or the "Joker" Tricky Dicky Armey tell you so, in their manifesto on how to be a tea party serf. Do you enjoy letting the ATR and the Koch brothers fill your mind with one liners and misinformation to the determent of your nation and yourself.
02:51 PM on 08/02/2011
buy low sell high, and if they won't take less force it on them....
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usamade
01:32 PM on 08/02/2011
We should NEVER be in this mess. Shame on them all!
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Loxinabox
I live in a van down by the river
01:10 PM on 08/02/2011
Two percent of Americans pay 70 percent of Obama's pay................how is that working out for you?
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El Duderino 791
The Chinaman is not the issue.
01:28 PM on 08/02/2011
A pig drank buttermilk all clotted and swirled,
And run a mile before he hurled.
The faster he run, the more it goes goop,
How far do he run before he poop?
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Loxinabox
I live in a van down by the river
02:35 PM on 08/02/2011
Interesting to hear a Democrats take on the economy.