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Debt Ceiling Deal Paves Way For Medicare, Medicaid Budget Fight

Debt Deal Medicare Medicaid Super Congress

RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR   08/ 2/11 02:43 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — Medicare and Medicaid were spared from immediate cuts in the debt deal, but it looks like just a temporary reprieve.

Advocates for seniors and lobbyists for the health care industry are worried that Round Two of the budget battle, beginning this fall, could lead to cuts that raise costs for beneficiaries and squeeze providers such as hospitals, doctors, insurers and drug companies.

Nothing will be off limits for a powerful new congressional committee created under the deal to scour the budget for savings. That includes the two giant health care programs for 100 million Americans, the elderly, low-income people, and long-term nursing home residents.

If the debt committee hits a dead end, the agreement between President Barack Obama and congressional leaders decrees an automatic 2 percent cut to Medicare providers. That's on top of a 6 percent cut already enacted to finance the president's health care law, according to the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation. And the earlier cut is still being phased in.

"The story isn't over," said Joe Baker, president of the Medicare Rights Center, a New York-based advocacy group. "The future of the programs really hangs in the balance. It could lead to deep cuts and irreversible changes to Medicare and Medicaid that shift costs to beneficiaries."

The hospital industry, which agreed to cuts of $150 billion to help pay for Obama's expansion of coverage to the uninsured, says it's just about had it. Nonpartisan analysts in the government predict the cuts in the health care law alone are enough to push about 15 percent of hospitals, nursing homes and home health agencies into the red.

"America's hospitals find it difficult to support a debt ceiling proposal that could negatively affect Medicare for our nation's seniors," American Hospital Association president Rich Umbdenstock said in a statement. "Access to care could be curtailed by further cuts to Medicare funding for hospital care."

The debt deal allows the government to keep borrowing and staves off an unprecedented default on obligations to investors, Social Security recipients, federal employees and others. But it comes at the price of squeezing the budget in ways that sooner or later will affect average families.

The first $900 billion in savings from the deal doesn't have much impact on health care. It's the second round that counts, from $1.2 trillion to $1.5 trillion over 10 years.

"These guys haven't really solved anything – they have only set up a procedure to make cuts," said Robert Laszewski, a health care industry consultant. "We haven't seen the blood on the floor yet."

The White House is emphasizing that Medicaid for the poor and benefits guaranteed to seniors under traditional Medicare would not be touched if automatic reductions become necessary as a backstop.

But the new congressional "supercommittee" created under the deal is under no such restrictions. It can shape its own menu of cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Obama's health care law, assuming the panel could get the votes to pass a package through Congress and buy-in from the White House.

"Nothing is over. These debates are just going to continue," said Paul Van de Water, a senior analyst with the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, which advocates for the poor.

For Medicaid, that means a new funding formula proposed by the Obama administration in the debt talks remains on the table. It can be used to dial down the amount of federal money states get for the health needs of their low-income people and nursing home residents. Governors oppose it.

For Medicare, it means the committee could push increases in copays and deductibles, as have two bipartisan commissions within the last nine months.

Medicare providers are nervous.

Doctors could be particularly exposed. Current law calls for an automatic cut of 30 percent in Medicare payments to physicians starting next year, the consequence of a previous budget control law gone awry. It's unthinkable that lawmakers would allow that big a hit. But where Congress in previous years just waived the cut and added the cost to the deficit, that's not politically possible now.

Doctors got a modest Medicare raise out of Obama's health care law, but the American Medical Association will have to pull off a lobbying coup to avoid cuts this time.

Drug companies are also hunkered down. Having agreed to help close the Medicare prescription coverage gap, as well as billions in new fees under the health care overhaul, they could now be on the hook for additional rebates to cover the drug costs of low-income seniors.

The budget supercommittee has a deadline for action around Thanksgiving. That has advocates mobilizing to stave off or contain the scope of cuts. One way to do that is to put tax increases back on the table.

"All of our work lies ahead of us," said Ron Pollack, executive director of Families USA, an advocacy group that battled for the health care overhaul.

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WASHINGTON — Medicare and Medicaid were spared from immediate cuts in the debt deal, but it looks like just a temporary reprieve. Advocates for seniors and lobbyists for the health care industr...
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Morgan378
04:12 PM on 08/10/2011
I read these comments on threads and see the anger of one American towards another for either collecting unemployment or Medicare or Medicaid or even SSI. Is it that some see a man or women sitting on their front porch - not going to work or that it appears someone on disability gets around better than they do? Seeing a comparative study between the eligibility requirements of the US compared to 15 other nations we were ahead of them in terms of qualifications for benefits. Unfortunately, we were also behind every other nation in collecting fraudulent provider payments made mistakenly to criminals jamming the system that submitted claims for Seniors that found that over 30% of those submitted for were dead. According to estimates there are dead people with 12 wheelchairs in their homes. So if America gets upset over someone sitting on their fat behinds all day getting paid fraudulently upsets you - think of the amounts of money going out to a criminal living in a marvelous house with 4 offices in surrounding cities collecting millions of dollars right in front of your face. If you don't beleive this - 60 Minutes did a similar story not long ago and their findings were even MORE enraging! Cutting payments and shorting bonafide providers isn't the answer. Entitlements are "Pay and Pursue" - payments are made and if fraud is indicated they may investigate. More money should be allowed for fraud investigation. It wasn't hard to find them.
VictoriasNoSecret
Success: the byproduct of doing what's right.
10:29 AM on 08/03/2011
DickRaySchliep------

" Most Tea Party member are uneducated and depend heavily on the goverment for survival."
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There isn't one word of truth in this outrageous biased OPINION.

The Tea Party is made up of Americans who care deeply about the future of our county and our children. They represent all political persuasions but only those who do care and are willing to put forth effort are involved, and that's what our country is all about.

They represent a variety of races, faiths, ages and socioeconomic groups. The fact that they came into existence as a result of this administration's careless spending and indifference toward the will of the people as ex-speaker P'losi demonstrated should testify they are after common sense leadershp that has to be accountable for its decisions.

To claim they are "unducated" and "depend heavily on the govt. for survival" is a blatant lie.

They have among them people of various races, many of whom are college-educated and some with post graduate titles as well, and those people don't have a need for govt. entitlements, do they, Dick?

I suggest before you set out to make such baseless claims, you should remind yourself that you're not in the barn preaching to the chickens, we are sharp people who won't tolerate lies about those who are willing to actually WORK to do what's right, intead of just mix your whining with your lies.
06:40 AM on 08/03/2011
Republicans/Tea Party supporters don't worry. Based on the past history of the Democrats and President you couldn't have a better President. Debate, argue, and threaten and you can come away with a voucher program for Medicare, a worker who has not reached 50 yrs. of age is able to opt out of SS, increased age to draw SS or to qualify for Medicare, and Medicaid will be a block grant to states that can be used for education, roads, etc.
09:47 AM on 08/03/2011
Why stop there? Obama will help the TP eliminate Medicare and Social Security altogether, and let people wither away and die on the streets - while proclaiming to be for a balanced approach and appearing to scold Wall St. He knows on which side his bread is buttered.
01:35 AM on 08/03/2011
Discussion Truth Action Sorry for any spelling problems
What are the route problems for the the US finianical situation?

1) How do we cut down on obesity, achololism, addicition to smoking materials, drug addiction, sugar diabetus and so on? I believe the higher prices for cigerettes has resulted in a reduction of people smoking. Thus the cost to the nation for medical bills sould also be redued. I know at times the human being waits until its almost dead to change bad habits. Should we slowly increase taxes to change the poor habits that we have on these types of products? Would there be a reduction of unhealthy people and a reduction in cost to the nation for medical costs over a period of time. I know that talking about eating right and living right really does not work. Could we increase the rate of taxes each year to make a bigger impact on reducing the amount of unhealthy people? Is it true that when we use a hospital for anything, part of our bill is to cover those of us that do not have a health plan or money? Do we not have the right to tax those products which result in our health cost to the nation increasing? Would it be great to see all of us living a long healthy life?
I think there are thousands of examples on how we could change the way we live and thus for the greater good of all of us.
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10:09 PM on 08/02/2011
I would really like to have an honest explanation as to why no mention EVER is made about cutting Welfare. Why is this obvious money pit not scrutinized? The ongoing abuse of this system bears absolutely no resemblance to its original purpose, yet there is never a word written or spoken about reforming it at this juncture, with us at debt's door. All I hear about is the cutting of programs that are constructed of our own funds. That which many of us have earned through hard work, is what's in jeopardy. I refuse to listen to the sarcasm regarding votes, and how the perpetuation of welfare secures them - that would be not only deplorable, but also criminal. I know of many, many citizens who have the same concern about this, with no answer to be found.
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bouncerdave2011
Every day I'm shuffling
12:10 AM on 08/03/2011
dems would never touch their voter base
09:53 AM on 08/03/2011
Thats where you're wrong. Dems stick it to their base all the time.
nbj5215
RETIRED USN AND MERCHANT MARINE
09:09 PM on 08/02/2011
We must have a balanced budget everything else is just a song and a dance
08:23 PM on 08/02/2011
crooks
08:19 PM on 08/02/2011
a comittee of crooks
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Gitta
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08:19 PM on 08/02/2011
Sounds like a good time to get healthy!
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Barbara DeZan
Knowledge is Power
07:36 PM on 08/02/2011
I'm all in favor of reforming Medicare.....first thing is get rid of Bush's gift to the insurance company called "Medicare Advantage" which is expensive, costing taxpayers billions, it's inefficient, premiums to recipients double and triple every year, Co-pays increase, services cut and many doctors have dropped out because they don't like waiting 6 months to get paid.

Heck, Obama cut 350 million out of that program last year just working to week out the fraudsters who double bill, double dip, false claims, overcharge... And, we recipients didn't feel a thing. Waste, fraud and abuse ......tax dollar killers.... Clean 'em out.

Same with Medicaid...too many people are on Medicaid who aren't eligible, substandard nursing homes, convalescent facilites......get rid of them.

Medicare should also be paid on a sliding scale. Those with higher incomes, pay higher premiums.......those low-income folks pay less.....
09:50 AM on 08/03/2011
I don't see why Medicare For All aka single payer is such a bad idea. Actuarily speaking, that would introduce a large pool of healthy people into a system that currently only supports the most infirm. Of course, that would cut out the health insurance companies from the trough - but, can you say...boo hoo hoo?
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Barbara DeZan
Knowledge is Power
10:39 PM on 08/03/2011
That was the goal ...single payer. I truly believe that when the new healthcare program is fully implemented, it will be just that.....

It took 20 years to fully implement SocSec and 8 years for Medicare.

I've hope
07:32 PM on 08/02/2011
Well, McConnell said the people he and Boehner picked to serve on the Super Committee will in no way compromise on tax hikes or revenues and are only interested in more cuts.
10:05 AM on 08/03/2011
To which Obama promptly caved, I assume. That guy must go through a dozen knee pads a month.
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Ken Detweiler
06:50 PM on 08/02/2011
Isn't a "fight" where both combatants slug it out? I'd characterize this more as a "slaughter" .
10:05 AM on 08/03/2011
A butt-whuppin'
06:34 PM on 08/02/2011
All battles in DC should just end. Obama gives the GOP what they want every time. He should stop wasting our time and just surrender to the GOP and not plan to be re-elected. My defense of Obama is over. He is indeed too immature to lead. He has no leadershp skills and as of today, I say Sarah Palin is smarter and has better leadership skills than Obama. I hope he enjoyed killing the middle class, after exploiting us to get into office. I hope he enjoyed flying around the country, giving speeches and grinning as if he was cute or funny. 2012 cannot get here soon enough. Anybody but Obama.
07:35 PM on 08/02/2011
Yah right.....Palin better than Obama. You aren't or never were an Obama supporter. a supporter may be disappointed with recent outcomes in battles, but they would never support someone as disillusional as Palin.
09:52 AM on 08/03/2011
I think the poster is being sarcastic, and is also driven by extreme frustration, just like a lot of us are.
08:25 PM on 08/02/2011
right on
06:29 PM on 08/02/2011
Obama agreed to no new taxes in the bill. No sooner than he signs it he starts talking about new taxes. He did the same thing after he extended the Bush tax cuts. How do you expect small business to hire under these tax shell games Obama plays?
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winfl55
Truth, justice and the American way.
08:43 PM on 08/02/2011
Exactly.
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foothills
01:25 AM on 08/03/2011
True small businesses want government to close the tax loopholes that are available for corporations. It is seen as an unfair advantage that is given to them, but not to small business. The majority of real small businesses do not operated under the same structure as a corporation...you will usually find them as an LLC and LLP because the taxes are lower in those categories. I'm a bit fed up with people talking about small business that obviously do not have a clue about how a business can be structured.
07:38 AM on 08/03/2011
The company I own is an LLC. I don't know what you are talking about because I'm not a CPA.
lionfight
Veteran, retired
06:24 PM on 08/02/2011
Lot of people here just don't get it! This country needs to be re-built from the ground up. The government is thousands of people too many for the population of the USA. Small business has been hammered into the ground and large corporations have moved off-shore for the most part over the past 25 years because they knew all this was coming. It is no surprise that America has become a failure to its own people. Why, all the kids in Washington were only interested in their own interests, pocket change and pork deals - all the lawyers made deals for their own service and the majority of politicians really did not give a SH- - !
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Ken Detweiler
06:53 PM on 08/02/2011
Ah ... ~that's~ why they are outsourcing all our good jobs. Because there are too many civil servants. I falsely thought it was pure profit motivated. Thanks for educating us.
lionfight
Veteran, retired
08:14 PM on 08/02/2011
Profit motivated - both ways....depends on which side has the power...and both sides have always had power. Because of government attitudes - big corps. never gave a damn about remaining true blue to the USA. Everything we see out of government is mostly window dressing from the lowest form of the animal kingdom. When you have government agencies shutting down companies because of non-compliance without the opportunity to improve and correct...that is a serious internal problem.
08:26 PM on 08/02/2011
right on