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Defcon Hacker Convention: Government Cybersecurity Experts Looking To Recruit Top Hacking Brass In Las Vegas

Defcon Hacker

First Posted: 08/02/11 09:58 AM ET Updated: 10/02/11 06:12 AM ET

By Tabassum Zakaria

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The National Security Agency has a challenge for hackers who think they're hot stuff: prove it by working on the "hardest problems on Earth."

Computer hacker skills are in great demand in the U.S. government to fight the cyber wars that pose a growing national security threat -- and they are in short supply.

For that very reason an alphabet soup of federal agencies -- DOD, DHS, NASA, NSA -- are descending on Las Vegas this week for Defcon, an annual hacker convention where the $150 entrance fee is cash only -- no registration, no credit cards, no names taken. Attendance is expected to top 10,000.

The National Security Agency is among the keen suitors. The spy agency plays both offense and defense in the cyber wars. It conducts electronic eavesdropping on adversaries and protects U.S. computer networks that hold super secret material -- a prize target for America's enemies.

"Today it's cyber warriors that we're looking for, not rocket scientists," said Richard "Dickie" George, technical director of the NSA's Information Assurance Directorate, the agency's cyber-defense side.

"That's the race that we're in today. And we need the best and brightest to be ready to take on this cyber warrior status," he told Reuters in an interview.

The NSA is hiring about 1,500 people in the fiscal year which ends September 30 and another 1,500 next year, most of them cyber experts. With a workforce of just over 30,000, the Fort Meade, Maryland-based NSA dwarfs other intelligence agencies, including the CIA.

It also engages in cyber-spying and other offensive operations, something it rarely, if ever, discusses publicly.

But at Defcon, the NSA and other "Feds" will be competing with corporations looking for hacking talent too.

The NSA needs cyber security experts to harden networks, defend them with updates, do "penetration testing" to find security holes and watch for any signs of cyber attacks.

The NSA is expanding its fold of hackers, but George said there is a shortage of those skills. "We are straining to hire the people that we need."

MISFITS OR FIT-INS?

It might seem to be an odd-couple fit -- strait-laced government types with their rules and missions trying to recruit hackers who by definition want to defy authorities.

George said the NSA is actually an environment where the hacker mindset fits right in to work with "a critical mass of people that are just like them."

But what about culture rifts?

"When I walk down the hall there are people that I see every day and I never know what color their hair's going to be," George said. "And it's a bonus if they're wearing shoes. We've been in some sense a collection of geeks for a long, long time."

The agency has long been known for its brilliant, but sometimes eccentric, mathematicians and linguists.

Jeff Moss, a hacker known as Dark Tangent, knows something about bridging the two worlds. He founded Defcon and the companion Black Hat conference for security professionals and is now a member of the Department of Homeland Security's Advisory Council, which advises the government on cyber security.

"They need people with the hacker skill set, hacker mind-set. It's not like you go to a hacker university and get blessed with a badge that says you're a hacker. It's a self-appointed label -- you think like one or you don't," Moss told Reuters.

He drew a distinction between hackers with skills and computer criminals. Of the latter he says with a laugh: "It would not be good to let them in your front door."

Moss worries about young hackers who might cross lines and end up breaking laws that did not exist when he got his first computer in the early 1980s.

"You can absolutely learn the same skills without breaking any law," he said.

While U.S. intelligence agencies' computer systems are believed to be relatively secure, a wave of recent cyber attacks has hit the Pentagon, major defense contractors and others such as the International Monetary Fund.

The NSA's tasks include helping the Homeland Security department secure civilian U.S. government networks.

One government bureaucratic hindrance that can impede hiring top-flight experts is the security clearance process that can take six months, by which time a candidate may have found other employment. For the NSA, prospective employees must pass a lie-detector test, be drug-free for one year and undergo an extensive background check.

BEWARE 'ANKLE BITERS'

Unlike the threat from nuclear weapons where it is clear which countries have that capability, cyber attacks can come from anywhere.

"So we need to worry about everybody," George said. "In fact we need to worry about significant adversaries hiding among the ankle biters."

He explained that it was like finding a single needle in a pile of needles -- much more difficult than in a haystack. Among constant pings from teenagers just fooling around, "the real bad guy can hide in that noise," George said. "That's a big problem for us, trying to identify the real threat from among all the stuff that's not really threatening."

George would not name countries that pose high threats but other intelligence officials have expressed concern about China's growing cyber-warfare capabilities, as well as Russia's.

The NSA can attract hackers to work within its cloistered walls by dazzling them with the latest technology, appealing to their competitive nature, and giving them a sense of working for the greater good, George said.

"We have a wonderful atmosphere, we have great people and we have the hardest problems on Earth. And we need help, the country needs help," he said.

But there is one big difference about winning bragging rights at public competitions versus inside the NSA enclosure.

"You're not going to make yourself famous working here, that's the downside. You can be internally famous, but you can't be externally famous," George said.

The NSA's secretive nature also brings a positive side-effect in striking a work-life balance.

"If you come here you really can't take work home with you," George said. "That's a bonus."

(Editing by Warren Strobel and Christopher Wilson)

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01:31 PM on 08/31/2011
after NSA hires, they learn the Secure MS software that can probe foreign gov't sites and mainframes and milsats and learn all sorts of stuff, right. So then these really smart kids see something they don't like, and in an instant, they emotionally turn against the NSA. So now you have an NSA potential spy that can be bought or may just not feel compelled to identify holes or traps he sees in US software. They always take what they have learned and seen home with them. NSA needs to keep people talking about how the feel and keep audio/video record. This is no joke. This will help to prevent internal sabotage, theft or moral defection. Trust has to be earned every day. Hackers will never be loyal to big Government if it is immoral or disloyal to employees. Most refuse to be bribed.
12:38 AM on 08/07/2011
Yes... Lets just keep rewarding the criminals. Illegal aliens, Hackers.. WHATS NEXT?
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Desolati0n
I am the freshest wizard ever.
09:29 AM on 08/03/2011
I think the feds need to hire Bryce Case Jr.
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Gurinder Dhillon
Federal Reserve is as Federal as Federal Express
09:18 AM on 08/03/2011
Its China, its always been China, and it will continue to be China. The Chinese have decided they aren't doing well enough with their rigged currency, and slave labor wages, they have to start dealing in international secrets now. Today they are hacking into the I.O.C, India, Japan, and the E.U, tomorrow it could be the American Patent database that they hack into, which to me is priceless. All of America's ingenuity and innovation lies in that database, and whats to stop China from violating it and having their robot-like workers replicate the invention for two cents an hour. America couldn't claim the patent at that point it would belong to China, who could easily say that they have 1.4billion potential inventors and the real owner of the invention is the one who brings it to line first. This is the all time intellectual property theft to date. Possession is 9/10ths of the law and once the Chinese begin pawning off American inventions as their own we are going to have a problem.
03:39 AM on 08/04/2011
"American Patent database that they hack into, which to me is priceless."

You don't need to hack into any patent database. Just go to http://patft.uspto.gov/ and download the stuff.
09:11 AM on 08/03/2011
So the Government is cracking down on hacking and saying its a crime but yet when the government gets a hold of these hackers and brings them in, they hire them and treat them to high government job. Does anyone see the wrong in this lol.
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Thanks4Watching
Daily dose of cynicism
08:16 AM on 08/04/2011
If you can't beat 'em, hire 'em. Typical government mindset.
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cybersense
08:36 AM on 08/04/2011
It should be in this case, no? I mean I would of thought to do this a long time ago. You hire your IT team, and then your "other" team.
08:29 AM on 08/03/2011
After reading the news about the Chinese hacking of US information, I think we DEF should. I know the first kid they should hire: Comex.
Check out the article below about how this 19 yo kid created "Jailbreak" the software for hacking the iphone iOS platform. Definitely worth a quick read:
http://hubski.com/pub?id=2584
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08:20 AM on 08/03/2011
Ever since that silly movie, the media has loved the notion of "the counter-culture whiz kids."

But if you look at who actually participates in things like DefCon (yeah, a direct reference to that movie ...) there is far more depth there than what meets the eye. This really isn't a testosterone- laden happy hunting ground for criminal behavior: it's a meet-up of security experts, young and old, who know that the only way to provide true security is to talk about it openly, and to do things with peer review.

"Here is the annotated source-code of, say, the Blowfish cipher algorithm. Here is a detailed discussion of how it is used in Virtual Private Networking. And so on and on."
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ken607
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06:32 AM on 08/03/2011
why when they have the republicans. after all they are masters of wire tapping, and deception. they would be pefect for the job, if their was something in it for them ofcourse.
05:10 AM on 08/03/2011
Come on gov just hire LULZSEC
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11:29 PM on 08/02/2011
if they haven't hired some already, the government is more in trouble than I could have imagined
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cybersense
08:40 AM on 08/04/2011
Yep, and I don't believe they have not. Perhaps this is the part were "transparent" comes in. They should have them, and I hope that they do, seriously. Cyber security problems from other countries has been a long time problem. Not to mention our own here.
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Duzula
There's nothing to fear about Logic.
10:56 PM on 08/02/2011
There's a problem here. The Government...say it with me...Government, is now publicizing their all of the sudden 'we've been doing this the whole time anyway' hacker recruiting...but I suppose the problem lies in the fact that, and I might be wrong but, whatever...

Wouldn't you think very skilled and prominent hackers are extremely educated, self-educated, and articulate, and with that, Aware of what OUR Government is doing? Doesn't hacking exist to, you know, take down governmental institutions. After all, you need to hack something, so why not hack the authority.

I'm saying I don't believe they can find hacker skilled enough to defend against the true underground hackers. Especially when most of our information is floating through hyperspace. Well so are the insane secrets behind human history, you just have to know where to look.
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cybersense
09:58 PM on 08/02/2011
Like they don't have them already. DUH.
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Thanks4Watching
Daily dose of cynicism
08:18 AM on 08/04/2011
For every IT "expert" who paid an arm and a leg to read an outdated textbook to get a piece of paper that says they're good with computers, there are about fifty self-taught basement dwellers who can, and often do, hack circles around them.
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AliceEatPeyote
09:48 PM on 08/02/2011
This is ware Anonymous starts getting paid for their work
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Thanks4Watching
Daily dose of cynicism
08:20 AM on 08/04/2011
Anonymous would start leaking everything in government databses the moment they get in the door.
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cybersense
08:44 AM on 08/04/2011
I don't think so. Remember, some of these people who take part in anon and other hacker groups are good, and some may be good, but the secret conspiracies run rapid with some of them too deep. They get so caught up in those conspiracies they loose sight. There are some who claim to be part of Anon and then use it to spread more of those conspiracy theories.
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hollace
I told you I was sick
09:40 PM on 08/02/2011
I think they just want the kids from lulzsec to come out from underneath their beds. Don't fall for it kids...
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cameron d
Good Guys Win
09:16 PM on 08/02/2011
Someone's gotta work. In all seriousness though this should have been done over 10 years ago.