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UFO Symposium Mixes It Up Between ET Believers And Skeptics


First Posted: 08/03/11 09:02 AM ET Updated: 10/03/11 06:12 AM ET

UFOs and ETs were on tap this weekend at the 42nd annual MUFON Symposium in Irvine, Calif.

The UFO menu at the Hyatt Regency Hotel drew over 400 people who received healthy doses of topics like government conspiracy, religion, remote viewing, secret antigravity propulsion projects, reported encounters with alien beings, time travel, crop circles, life on Mars and a famous astronaut dispelling the idea of extraterrestrial visits to Earth.

Throughout the symposium, one individual showed up at all of the lectures whose presence may have struck fear in the hearts of many of the UFO believers.

"I think there's no evidence that UFOs represent anything outside of science that we know now," said Robert Sheaffer, one of the world's leading UFO debunkers. "There's no such thing as an alien intelligently controlled vehicle that's zooming around in the vicinity of the Earth now."

"Some people say, 'Well, maybe they're time travelers or they're from the fourth dimension,' or something, but again, those are pretty drastic hypotheses and you have to have drastically strong evidence to claim that that is true," Sheaffer told The Huffington Post.

With more than 3,000 members, MUFON -- the Mutual UFO Network -- is the largest UFO investigative organization in the world, represented in all 50 states and 25 countries.

"The first 41 symposiums focused on trying to prove to people that UFOs were real, that they did exist and there was physical evidence to support that," said MUFON board member Jan Harzan.

"What we’ve tried to do this year as a group was to look at this question: We know ETs are out there -- we can argue about whether they’re here or not. What will happen when Earth comes in contact with an ET race?" Harzan added.

The overall theme of the other-worldly symposium was "ET Contact: The Implications For Science and Society." To that end, a roster of speakers offered answers and opinions, sometimes openly disagreeing with each other.

At the symposium press conference on Friday, I threw out the question to the speakers about this whole notion of disclosure, where some people claim secret UFO information has already been released, while others argue otherwise.

"Disclosure has happened," said former Army Col. John Alexander (Image right), who spent 25 years using his high security clearance to weave through top levels of the U.S. government and military, searching for signs of a UFO cover-up.

"President Harry S. Truman, on April 4, 1950, said at a press conference, ‘UFOs are real and they’re not from this planet,’" Alexander said. "In the the headlines of April 5, 1950, you don’t even find UFOs mentioned, so the idea that this was going to be a big breaking story just wasn’t true. After that ... we’ve had presidents around the world, and any number of governments that have dumped, basically, all of their files. I’m not sure how many times you have to be told this is real before we’re willing to accept that it’s real!"

"I would take issue with that strongly," nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman quickly countered. (Image left) "Because all the stuff that’s been released so far by all these governments releasing their files is not top secret material. There’s no indication that the top secret code word stuff has been released, and I’ve never been able to find evidence that Truman actually said that -- I’ve seen that claim made, but I checked at the Truman library and they have no record of there being a press conference at which he said that."

Chiming in on this heated debate was former astronaut Story Musgrave, the keynote speaker at the symposium, who doesn't believe aliens have ever visited Earth.

"I'm totally honest and from the heart, I've got no agenda and I'm not running for election," Musgrave told The Huffington Post. (Image below right) "NASA and no one ever muzzled me or anyone else. They have absolutely no secrets, except for classified missions. Otherwise, we're free to say it as it is."

"If we reject (extraterrestrials), they're not coming here," he added." They're not going to come to a home that rejects them. So I think it's very important to accept them and welcome them."

On the subject of other astronauts who have claimed to see UFOs, Musgrave is very adamant.

"No astronaut -- and I queried everyone, hundreds -- was able to bring to me an experience which passed my filters."

Included in the weekend MUFON event was an eight-hour field investigator training course to help people learn some of the finer points of how to look into UFO reports wherever they occur.

And, as one might expect, just about everything ET-related could be purchased for a price: alien statues, posters, T-shirts, mugs, flying saucer-shaped rocks, artwork, books, DVDs, crystal skulls, pendants, jewelry -- all in the spirit of out-of-this-world consumerism.

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UFOs and ETs were on tap this weekend at the 42nd annual MUFON Symposium in Irvine, Calif. The UFO menu at the Hyatt Regency Hotel drew over 400 people who received healthy doses of topics like gov...
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04:15 PM on 10/02/2011
>> his insistence on evidence being presented to 'prove' UFOs are real and/or operated by ET> Those who have witnessed UFOs know what they saw- this group includes Gordon Cooper, President Carter, Gov. Fife, Nuclear base commanders etc.
08:57 PM on 10/02/2011
[[ his insistence on evidence being presented to 'prove' UFOs are real ]] "UFO" means "Unidentified.." A report of the failure to identify an ambiguous visual stimulus doesn't create a thing of any kind.

Skeptics of "UFO" reports aren't demanding any more of purported "flying flapdoodles" than they do of all other things said to exist in the world: presence, persistence and consequence. But the insubstantial and ephemeral visual stimuli that are the subjects of wholly inconsequential "UFO" reports don't satisfy even those mundane requirements--much less the requirements of an extraordinary thing of any kind.

[[ Those who have witnessed UFOs know what they saw- includes Gordon Cooper, President Carter, Gov. Fife, Nuclear base commanders etc.]]
Very obviously not since all those "UFO" reports have been thoroughly debunked. And even if they hadn't been, they're just stories told by people--whose fallible perceptual systems are no better than those of the rest of us--about an event in which they failed to indentify some ambiguous visual stimulus. There are no expert "UFO" observers.

Believing in the literal truth of "UFO" reports and irrationally assuming that there is some extraordinary agent common to "UFO" reports doesn't indicate that there are REAL "UFOs" of any kind, rather it indicates that credulous believers share a subculture in which science-fiction fantasies have been presented by the media as real. This is known as the "UFO" myth and collective delusion--there aren't any REAL "UFOs" of any kind and never were.
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EcnelisDoogod
B the change you want 2C
01:32 PM on 09/18/2011
"I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on earth."

President Harry Truman
White House Press Conference
April 4, 1950

http://www.aliens-everything-you-want-to-know.com/AliensEverybodyKnows.html
02:54 AM on 08/14/2011
Wow...what a response from the viewers on the 2011 Mufon Symposium.....I too went to one of their symposiums up in San francisco and was disappointed.. to me, some of them were people who hadn't actually been there and done it, they were trying to make money from old UFO images. I tryed to talk and show them some of my own UFO's photos....but they just blew me off and only tryed to sell me their books of their research. I would like your response to a small sample of my very recent UFO videos on my website ornamentalironunlimited.com
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cuoi
I wish everyone happiness.
05:41 PM on 08/06/2011
Unusual Financial Opportunities....conferences like these are like paying for a "cranial-sacral" therapy session (or as a MD friend once described it, "head up your as_ therapy)...
04:04 AM on 08/05/2011
I went to the UFO Symposium in Irvine last week, what a total waste of time and money! All it is, is a buch of people grabbing as much money as they can get for a ton of old books that all the speakers are selling on thier tables! All the big high mickety mikes are interested in is getting on the board of Directors! That is all you hear about from guys that can't wait to find their way up to a "Board positon". The thing was shodley run, nothing but junk for sale and only one or two friendly people in the whole bunch. I came with a friend and we were both so disapointed in the whole thing. We will never spend another dime to go this this so called UFO symposium...what a laugh! Most unprofessional bunch of people I ever saw. Don't waste your money on this one. Just go out and look for UFO's on your own. These people are just going around a "puffing up" themselves, talking about nothing but themselves instead of UFO's...DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME on the UFO Investigator class either! For 100 bucks all you get is nothing and guys talking about themselves and stuff that has nothing to do with UFO's. Never show you or instruct you to be investigators..didn't even advise those taking the class that they needed to buy a manual...oh buy the way that will cost you another $50!
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Jerry Barry
11:33 PM on 08/04/2011
George Snory of Coast to Coast AM is waiting for your phone call about the UFO or Big Foot you saw in your backyard! Oops, you took a picture of the UFO or Big Foot but you didn't have film in your digital camera. Shucks! Well, maybe next time these objects are in your neighborhood you'll get a good picture of them! LOL.
09:35 PM on 08/06/2011
The best evidence of UFOs are not sightings and photos, but the existence of Crop Circles that they have left all over the world particularly in the UK. These crop circle are so complicated and intricate that they can only have been created by some superior, highly intelligent beings. Even if some humans tried to create them, they would need massive, complex machinery and would never able to do it overnight without being caught doing it. (Some hoaxes of crop circles have been reported, but they are poor imitations without the geometric intricacies of the real thing). See www.cropcircleconnector.com and also ufocoverup.org
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Jerry Barry
11:24 PM on 08/04/2011
I"m glad former astronaut Story Musgrave has said the astronaut's that he has talked to didn't have an credible evidence of UFOs visiting earth. And I'm also happy that Robert Sheaffer, one of the world's leading UFO debunkers says that this is all just science fiction.
If there was proof, someone would have shown material proving that Aliens and UFO did exist but no one has ever done that.
It is just silly people believe in this crap and waste their time and money on this nonsense. Go buy an ice cream cone and enjoy that instead of believing and wasting your money on what delusional people make up. Jeez.
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09:37 AM on 08/05/2011
Actually, and as an aside, there is a legitimate phenomenon here quite needful of study, unidentified aerial phenomenon are relatively frequent - st. elmos's fire, earthlights, sprites, and other real physical events whose study would be invaluable for those interested in the earth's electromagnetic field, and in the field of meteorology, unfortunately there are too many people fantasizing about flying saucers and little green men for any real science to get done.
12:16 PM on 08/04/2011
Anybody who knows anything about this subject, knows there are always moles. It's a complex subject, one that involves several layers- including technology suppression, which IS at the heart of this. No way are the powers that be allow real advanced propulsion to get on the way of the well oiled petroleum monopolies...to mention one. ANd, when you have a former Army Col, delivering a clumsy misinformation "lecture', well, is so transparent is laughable.
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BannedInBoston
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
10:49 PM on 08/03/2011
Having seen one myself, I try to keep an open mind about UFOs. But I honestly do not believe they are craft piloted by extraterrestrials, time travelers, or beings from another dimension. Following Jaques Vallee, I believe they are some sort of paranormal phenomenon, although I couldn't say exactly what. That probably strikes many people as being just as outlandish as the aliens theory but so be it....
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Jerry Barry
11:26 PM on 08/04/2011
I think you have kept an open mind about UFOs and your brains fell out.
If this UFO and aliens is true, show some hard evidence of a real UFO or Alien Body and if you can't then it is total B.S.
People are just preying on people being gullibe and delusional to make money off of them. Period!
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ZenCrusader
trying to be more zen in a zany world.
12:59 PM on 08/06/2011
you simply won't believe that UFO's exist until you see one. patience.
Al Schrader
Don't limit your potential
05:19 PM on 08/03/2011
I've never been a "believer" or a skeptic. I was just plain curious. So I started investigating sightings.
99% of them are explainable hoaxes, out of focus airplanes & stars, fakes, etc.
I heard about a sighting in Aurantia , Florida 10pm at night. Cars were pulling to the side of US1 people getting out to look at these things so bright that they made the night into day. The eye witness I talked to said they formed a kind of verticle formation, then flew off in differing directions. I said flares, but she said no not flares or aeroplanes, but they were piloted.
I went to Aurantia in daylight and looked around. Found nothing but swamp, and went home - I live 3 miles south of Aurantia. Forgot all about it.

About a year later I was in my backyard around 4pm and sunlight or something reflected in my face. I look up there, but saw nothing. Just out of curiousity, I looked again and there it was.
Silver-gray vehicle hung there like it was on a hook right over Aurantia. I'm certain it was not made on this earth. No sound. I glanced around for more and when I look there again it was gone.
It moved so fast I couldn't see it go. After awhile I realized it was a warning to leave them alone. I don't investigate sightings anymore. I don't need SETI or Roswell, or any experts....Alfred-
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PlayTOE
Morals evolved due to cooperative group living
05:07 PM on 08/03/2011
Gotta luv how Aliens always travel billions of kilometers through space then interact with the kookiest members of the human race, and leave without a trace, but never bother showing up in public.
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Jerry Barry
11:28 PM on 08/04/2011
Amen! If they could travel those great distances couldn't they at least show us a trick or too about time travel or space travel? But no, they came all this way and show nothing for their effort not even a crappy T-Shirt!
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sfizi
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04:36 PM on 08/03/2011
You dont have to go to area 51 to see aliens , go to DC , plenty there
03:53 PM on 08/03/2011
As a believer myself , I must ask myself ... why do I care if others don't believe that ET's and UFO's exist ? It does not change My knowledge of them one ounce ... When the day comes that they make themselves known in some huge way , we believers will be able to handle the knowledge with ease while all the folks who ridicule us , will be jumping from windows and cowering in dark corners ....
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realitycheck101a
The Matrix is an artificial construct...
05:03 PM on 08/03/2011
Can you imagine how it would totally fuque up religious people's minds to find out that the "angels" throughout the Bible were actually ET's??? I do believe that actual angels exist. For all we know, they could be one and the same...
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Jerry Barry
11:31 PM on 08/04/2011
Yeah, when they make their grand appearance! WHEN? LOL. What are they waiting for? Are they camera shy or do they have stage fright?
People are making money out of this nonsense and people are just to blind to see they are being robbed! Jeez, some people are just so dumb!
07:51 PM on 08/05/2011
Jerry, those of us who know the complexities of this subject very well think you're a run-of-the-mill joke. Can you wrap your head around that?
02:20 PM on 08/03/2011
WE KEEP TRYING TO DISAPROVE ALL THE SIGHTING AND INCIDENTS THAT HAVE OCCURED THROUGH THE YEARS ABOUT ALEINS. THE TRUTH IS, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHETHER ANYONE BELIEVES OR NOT THAT THEY EXIST. LOOK AT THE FACTS. HERE WE ARE ON A BALL IN SPACE TRAVLING THROUGH SPACE FOR MORE YEARS THAN CAN BE COUNTED. WE AND THOUSANDS OF OTHER PLANETS ARE DOING THE SAME THING. SOME OF WHICH COULD HAVE LIFE MANY TIMES OLDER THEN WE ARE AND HAVE PROBABLY PROGRESSED IN INTELLEGENCE BEYOND US BECAUSE OF TECHNOLOGY THEY HAVE DEVELOPED. WHY IS IT SO HARD TO REALIZE THAT IF THEY HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF SPACE TRAVEL THEY CAN GO WHERE EVER THEY CAN GO TO INVESTIGATE JUST LIKE WHAT WE DO, GOING TO THE MOON. THEY CAN COME AND GO TO OUR PLANET ANYTIME THEY WANT. THERE MAY BE DOZENS OF DIFFERENT ALIENS VISITING US THROUGH THE YEARS WITHOUT US EVER MAKING CONTACT. IF I HAD THAT CAPABILITY OF TRAVEL, I WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL TO MAKING ANY CONTACT WITH A PLANET LIKE EARTH. WE HAVE MADE A HISTORY OF KILLING EVERYTHING, INCLUDING OURSELVES.
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Bob Metcalfe
Caught at 1st. slip trying to cut
03:47 PM on 08/03/2011
If they're that advanced we couldn't possibly catch them let alone kill them. They havn't left any physical evidence, not so much as a discarded bottle top. They obviously havn't been here ever. Why do you write in capitals? it adds nothing to your argument.
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Artos
Down with Tyrants
05:03 PM on 08/03/2011
And yet people who believe in God will make equally wild speculations and  claims about how God is real, without any proof and expect to be believed. You say that without any viable proof there cannot possibly be aliens, and yet you still might claim that God exists. Why, what proof have you other than a desire to believe.
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realitycheck101a
The Matrix is an artificial construct...
05:21 PM on 08/03/2011
Maybe they're not ALLOWED to leave any evidence. Think about the way THE MILITARY uses ANYTHING they can get their hands on to create new weapons. Can you imagine what they would do with any "alien" technology??? Besides, there has been plenty of recorded history, by ancient civilizations, that reflect visitations by ET's. Depictions of ET's carved in stone: Maya, Egypt, Sumeria, to name a few. Descriptions can also be found in the Bible, the Mahabarata, the Vedas, the Bhagavad-gita. Maybe you just need to broaden your horizons a little...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgJ7-R4Zpbk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qtjI8eGtvM

http://www.history.com/shows/ancient-aliens
01:04 PM on 08/03/2011
The second comming of Jesus, after he did the cross thng, he manesfested himself to come through walls, doors, and just appeared out of nowhere to visit with pre-destined people. He then rode a cloud up into the heavens. His comming or goings would qualify him as an ET would it not?