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U.S. Soldiers Return Home To Labor Market With Few Opportunities

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First Posted: 08/04/11 04:30 PM ET Updated: 10/04/11 06:12 AM ET

NEW YORK (Alexandra Alper) - Army Officer Donna Bachler hasn't had a regular paycheck since she left active duty four years ago, even though she boasts the kind of skills employers vie for.

Bachler, 30, helped run the U.S. Army's postal service in Kuwait, tackling challenges such as how to crack down on mailed contraband and speeding the flow of mail to troops.

Now back in the United States, she gets by on her husband's salary, which will be cut by more than half when he retires from the military as soon as next year.

"One of the ways I sold (military service) to myself and my parents is 'it looks good on a resume,''' said Bachler, who estimates she has applied for at least 1,000 jobs since 2007. ''Sadly, it doesn't.''

As U.S. military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan wind down, tens of thousands of veterans are flooding the job market at a time when millions of civilians can't find jobs.

In June, unemployment among recent veterans grew to 13.3 percent, more than 4 percentage points higher than the national average.

From 2008 to 2010, that rate rose from 7.3 percent to 11.5 percent, and it's expected to climb further as more troops come home this year -- 10,000 from Afghanistan and, unless Iraq requests some to stay, the remaining 46,000 from that country.

"There is a sense of abandonment,'' said Daniel Nichols, former chief of staff for the Labor Department's Veteran Employment and Training Services (VETS). He is now director of Military to Medicine, which trains veterans and their spouses for jobs in healthcare.

'SERVED MY COUNTRY'

Veterans, he said, think: "I served my country and provided all this, and come back and what do I have now? Maybe a lot of bad memories that I don't want and skills that nobody recognizes.''

With veterans' unemployment rising, President Barack Obama is scheduled Friday in a visit Washington's Navy Yard to announce initiatives to prepare vets for civilian jobs.

In the tight job market, recent veterans say they're passed over for jobs not because they are unqualified, but because they lack required credentials, a formal education or a way to describe their military skills that employers understand.

"I compare myself to civilians I know and I have had leadership opportunities -- making the hard choice -- that I don't see in my civilian counterparts,'' said David Nawrocki, a 30-year-old staff sergeant.

He ran an ammunition supply point in Afghanistan and, as a logistics coordinator in Washington, worked out ways to save the Army more than $1 million earlier this year.

"I don't know how to translate it into civilian terms,'' said Nawrocki, who joined the Army at 17 and hasn't finished college.

He has applied for 800 jobs since February and has had just one interview. His Army job in Washington ended this summer.

More than a dozen government programs aim to tackle veteran unemployment through job search courses, career centers, hiring fairs and grants for states and local agencies.

But many former servicemen say what they really need is a waiver from the often lengthy training process required to get jobs for which they are already effectively qualified.

The GI bill and some Pentagon programs will reimburse vets for training and certification exams, but the training itself can last weeks to several years.

"They tell us, 'we give you training you can use in the real world,''' said Bachler. "Really? It's real world training but the real world won't take it.''

According to the Defense Department, 88 percent of military jobs have "direct civilian counterparts.'' But most states require veterans to retrain before they can take similar civilian positions.

According to the National Registry of Emergency Medical Technicians, paramedic training takes about 18 months. Air traffic controllers must retrain for one to two months according to the Federal Aviation Administration.

"They come back from doing 24/7 medic work and can't even drive an ambulance,'' said Senator Patty Murray, a Democrat who is chairwoman of the Veteran Affairs committee.

BILLS IN CONGRESS

Murray proposed a bill in May to ease licensing requirements for veterans in five military jobs with civilian equivalents. Republican U.S. Representative Jeff Miller proposed another, which focuses on five to 10 positions.

Nichols, the former chief of staff at VETS, is skeptical.

"They have studied those 10 MOS's since I was in there ten years ago,'' said Nichols, using the acronym for "military occupational specialty.''

One of the biggest hurdles to helping veterans is the abundance of government agencies that aim to do it, he said. Three federal departments handle veterans' issues, and states set most of their own licensing requirements.

But six states have passed laws making it easier for veterans to get licenses, according to the House of Representatives Veterans Affairs Committee.

Labor Secretary Hilda Solis says her department is doing its part.

"We're committed to doing all that we can to help returning service members navigate their way through the difficult transition into the civilian work force,'' she said in an email.

She pointed to a new Labor program offering free certification training for young veterans. The Veterans Affairs and Defense departments offer others.

But the Pentagon acknowledges it needs to do more.

Ed Kringer, director of the Pentagon's State Liaison & Educational Opportunity Office, says the department is conducting a "wholesale review'' of employment for people leaving the military.

"We have heard the concerns and are actively engaged in addressing them,'' Kringer said.

Bachler thinks the U.S. military should give civilian licensing tests to all recruits at the close of training, as the British Armed Forces do.

In Virginia, a frustrated Sergeant Nawrocki is starting an online training course in logistics -- even though he has 13 years' experience.

"I know I can do the job but I know employers don't understand that and want to see the certification,'' he said.


* Say skills don't translate as promised to real world

* Unemployment among recent vets at 13.3 percent

* Obama to address issue Friday

(Editing by Warren Strobel and Vicki Allen)

Copyright 2011 Thomson Reuters. Click for Restrictions.

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PatrickforO
America needs a Labor Party
03:31 AM on 08/28/2011
They are good enough to bleed for this nation, but not good enough to hire, I guess.
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LINY01
Kind Thoughts lead to Kind Words
09:23 AM on 08/07/2011
No problem, the US will just find another country to attack..that should keep them employed.
03:36 AM on 08/07/2011
soldiers kill people; I do not really care about their problems
10:07 AM on 08/09/2011
It's nice to see someone with such a balanced, thoughful perspecitve. :)
06:07 AM on 08/06/2011
Where are the jobs for our returning soldiers repubs. You campaigned on job creation in 2010 and have delivered nothing. The bagger zealotry has screwed our returning forces and the entire country. Always vote and never vote for a repub. Repubs think only of themselves and their benefactors and hate American workers.
06:21 PM on 08/05/2011
Any vet is first in line for government jobs. If I and a unqualified veteran were to apply for the same government job, the vet would get it. I worked as a contractor for a government agency that has since been folded into the FDIC, and I left that career track mainly because there was no hope of getting a real job. All the jobs were getting snapped up by vets of the first gulf war.

Vets are a gravely untapped resource for the civil service and bring many skills that no civilian w/o military experience can bring, and they also get preferential treatment in the hiring process. I'm sorry to sound unfeeling or uncaring, but to have vets complain about not being able to find jobs rings as hollow as minority women saying they can't start businesses when the government overwhelmingly tilts the game in their favor. I don't buy it. I'm grateful for their service, and I admire the sacrifice, but I'm not especially sympathetic to the whining.

Frankly, I wish there was compulsory military service. (I've always thought this.) That way, we would all be vets, and there would be none of this type of problem in the first place. I'm sure there will be a dozen vets replying to me, telling me what an unamerican traitor I am, and that's okay.
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PatrickforO
America needs a Labor Party
03:33 AM on 08/28/2011
Well, the problem is that in the face of a national unemployment rate of 9.1%, the unemployment rate for veterans is 10.3% and for recently separated vets, those just back from Iraq or Afghanistan, is 14.1%. So, I'd say the numbers are on their side when they are complaining.
06:06 PM on 08/05/2011
Generous GI Bill....go to school and get over it. Just like everyone else has to.
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devildog21
"War is a Racket" -Smedley D. Butler MajGen USMC
03:50 PM on 08/05/2011
Was there some reason to believe that veterans were going to have an easier time finding a job than everyone else? The current unemployment rate of nearly 20% is the new reality, especially with a do nothing House of Representatives that are only interesting in furthering their political aims at the expense of the country.

We shipped millions of middle class, good paying jobs overseas that will never be replaced. Why would anyone be optimistic that the economy is going to recover. It isn't.
01:48 PM on 08/05/2011
We have an all-volunteer military, which is no different than a corporate employer. No one forces anyone to join the service. The notions of "serving the country" and "make personal sacrifices to defend YOUR freedom" are nothing more than self-serving and baton-wielding rhetoric to either demand special treatment and/or suppressing opposition voices.

On personal level, if one joins the service and expects to have readily transferable skill to fit in civilian employment, one is just being fooled by recruiter. Civilian companies and businesses are there to make profit. They are not there to provide social security or veteran benefits. As a few others already pointed out, hiring a vet, particularly rank and file vets, has a lot of associated risks. If he/she has PTSD, that is going to be a lot of medical issues, which interfere with job performance. Worst case scenario is he/she going postal. Just imagine the legal aftermath of liability issues if other employees are killed or injured. In many instances ex-military as well as ex-law enforcement carry a burden (anger, hostility, arrogance) on their shoulders. Coupled that with the entitlement attitude born from the notion that society owe it to their military service one cannot blame employers' tendency to think twice.
UtahLiberal45
End the radical right
02:08 PM on 08/05/2011
The issues your raise are real. However as a Vietnam Vet they also said that about us. And most of us did very well thank you. I was able to return to college get my teaching degree and spent the last 35 years in education and raise a successful family. Veteran don't need to taken down by negative stereotyping like you have. Just like anybody, all we ask is a chance to prove ourselves without being colored in negative way. You have been watching way to many Rambo movies. You need to get out an meet these returning vets too see they are not the risk you seem to think they are.
02:37 PM on 08/05/2011
I am sure there are soldiers who came home and worked their way back into normal and successful civilian life. I am glad you are one.

Vietnam vet is a totally different category. There was a draft then. Unless you went in as a volunteer, whether out of your decision to pick military career or simply to pick and choose the best position (Navy or Air Force instead of ground pounder) with best chance to survive, you did go in to fullfil your duty our country asked you to do.

I do not color vets in negative way as you alleged. I simply pointed out how civilian employers tend to view vets, particularly infantry grunts. Like you, I got out of military service and went to college to earn an engineering degree. I counted on my college credential and marketable work experience to compete for job. I do not count on society to reserve me a job or special treatment as payback for my military service. That is the key to success in my case. No, I do not hang out at local VFW station to rant with buddies about my misfortunes in civilian life and/or war stories. Frankly speaking, I put the uniform and medals away in the attic after I got discharged. I did what my country asked me to do. Duty was fulfilled. No string attached.
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PatrickforO
America needs a Labor Party
03:40 AM on 08/28/2011
Well, for goodness sake. Thing is, the same corporations that aren't hiring the vets are happy to make money off the war effort. I'd say that's pretty immoral. Maybe if we had a single payer healthcare system that is not tied to employment the percentage of our GDP we currently lay out for health care (17.2% when the average for the rest of the earth is around 9.4%) would shrink, more jobs would be created. Then, if we actually did the right thing and got out of the two wars, we'd save around $120 billion a year. Finally, if we got rid of the Bush tax cuts which have patently been proven not to creat jobs, and put American small business, which has an effective tax rate of 17.2% on an even playing field with the big multinationals, who could pay far more (did you know GE paid no taxes for five years on income over $26 billion? - that just isn't fair). Do all these things and all of us, including the vets, would be better off.
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shergenius
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02:42 PM on 09/12/2011
Nobody asked them to go drop bombs.. they did it on their own accord. You are not special because you do this..
01:25 PM on 08/05/2011
""Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." - Henry Kissinger

A republican 'statesman' for decades.
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marignymitch
E pluribus unum percent
01:14 PM on 08/05/2011
Wars are winding down? Link?
firstwizard
Never trust anyone that says "Trust me.."
12:05 PM on 08/05/2011
The biggest problem is that most veterans serve out their tours without completing a college degree program. In this job market that we have currently there are way too many people with the same skills that have advanced degrees. If an employer has a choice between hiring two people, one with a degree and one without, he will almost always hire the person with the degree. The flip side to that is if the employer does hire the person without a degree he will do so at half the price.
UtahLiberal45
End the radical right
02:11 PM on 08/05/2011
With an American public so negative on these vets, its a wonder anyone would want to join the military to "protect" these people.
firstwizard
Never trust anyone that says "Trust me.."
02:31 PM on 08/05/2011
Which leads to the other problem. Many of the kids joining the military are unlike say the Romney kids. They are not rich and feel that they don't have any other option. Most of these kids join the military thinking that this will somehow lead them to a better life if they can just survive their tours. Well we see how that is working out..
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devildog21
"War is a Racket" -Smedley D. Butler MajGen USMC
03:53 PM on 08/05/2011
I don't know where you get the idea that the public is "negative on vets". I have seen no such attitude. Generally speaking, employers are encouraged to hire vets, but that assumes there are jobs available for them to fill.
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vippy
Carpe Diem!
11:00 AM on 08/05/2011
We are a military nation. The rich, MIC, and then the soldiers. Putin was right we are parasite on the economies of the world. We raise armies for conquest. Certainly our soldiers are not fighting to protect our way of life! The old adages no longer have a meaning! Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.
UtahLiberal45
End the radical right
02:14 PM on 08/05/2011
This country has put these young people in a bind, it sends them multiple times in overseas deployment, then when they get out they get screwed again by non-supportive Americans. True they are volunteers, but they didnt choose the wars, and those who complain didnt do much to get the government to stop it.
10:04 AM on 08/07/2011
We would rather spend money on destroying the infrastructure of other countries (Iraq, Afghanistan etc) and rebuild them using military contractors for both than spend money on rebuilding our own infrastructure. the MIC (Halleyburton) uses local contractors in Iraq for labor. The soldiers are trained only to destroy and kill and so need to be retrained for civilian jobs here. It is a lose-lose situation.
10:15 AM on 08/05/2011
How about W and the GOP hiring all our vets? After all, they love to wrap themselves in the flag, commit us to wars that never end, call anyone who doesn't support the defense budget a communist, and they have all the money!
09:42 AM on 08/05/2011
Predictable. Sad. Viet Nam deju vu. Maybe all that money that went to buying yellow ribbons, and bumper stickers supporting our troops would have been more meaningful had it been set aside to be used to train them for civilian jobs.....then again when we become a nation of fortresses' their security skills will be in high demand by the rich needing protection from the rest of us.
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techBob
whatever happened to peace, love and understanding
09:19 AM on 08/05/2011
Is anyone surprised by this? Don't you think the only reason they enlisted (or one of the only reasons) was because they had no education and could not find work?

Now missing limbs and with PTSD do we think they become more valuable in the workplace?

I hope they didn't think this country would take care of them, that would be misplaced trust on a large scale as the only one';s being looked out for are the wealthy.
10:17 AM on 08/05/2011
I'm mindful that Romney's 5 able-bodied sons didn't serve their country, and when asked why, during Romney's failed campaign last election cycle, he said they were doing their patriotic duty by helping him get elected. That's a good way to escape PTSD and all the ailments that go with war.
01:50 PM on 08/05/2011
You did not make a politically correct statement, but you sure hit the nail on the head.