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Regulate Marijuana Like Wine Act: Ballot Initiative Would Tax Pot Like Wine

Regulate Marijuana Like Wine Act

  First Posted: 08/05/11 05:36 PM ET Updated: 10/05/11 06:12 AM ET

This article comes to us courtesy of California Watch.

By Joshua Emerson Smith

Supporters are gathering signatures for an initiative that would decriminalize marijuana in California for those older than 21. The measure, dubbed the Regulate Marijuana Like Wine Act, would tax and regulate the cultivation, production and sale of cannabis using grape and wine industry standards.

"We're taking something that's unregulated and we're replacing it with a known successful program implemented by the California alcohol beverage control board," said co-author Steve Kubby, who also helped draft and promote Proposition 215, California's first medical cannabis law. "We know it works great with wine. It's already in place."

The measure [PDF] currently is written to exempt people from permitting fees who are growing up to 25 plants, but Kubby said he and others have decided to amend that to 12 plants per parcel. Commercial growers exceeding that limit would be subject to regulations and fees similar to those for grape farmers. Those selling cannabis products would be taxed and regulated under state rules that currently apply to wine and other alcoholic beverages, with an exception for hemp products with no hallucinogenic properties.

"If you're going to treat it like wine, you have to have an exemption for people who make their own wine or make their own cannabis," Kubby said. "Now, if they sell it, then they have to pay tax on it. The intent really is for your own stash at home."

The initiative also bars state government and law enforcement officials from assisting the federal government in prosecuting individuals for marijuana use or cultivation.

"We all understand that federal law will trump state law in this regard," said Jim Gray, a former judge and co-author of the measure. "So we're telling the federal government, 'We know you can enforce it, but if you're going to, you have to do it by yourself. And by the way, you're going to have to come to a jury of Californians, and I think getting a conviction would be problematic.' "

Concerns over federal opposition helped defeat Proposition 19 [PDF], a measure on a 2010 ballot that would have legalized cannabis, said Dale Jones, chairwoman of the Coalition for Cannabis Policy Reform. She said the group has been collecting polling data in preparation for an initiative of its own.

"We asked for a tremendous amount of feedback," she said, explaining that many people were apathetic about Prop. 19 because they believed federal intervention would have been inevitable. She also said the campaign was significantly hurt because it didn't have have the full backing of the medical cannabis community.

The Regulate Marijuana Like Wine Act prohibits commercial advertising for the sale or use of marijuana, but exempts medical cannabis. And the initiative explicitly states that it would "not repeal, modify, or change" Prop. 215 or any related laws.

"We're not touching anything that goes on with medical," Kubby said. "That stays the way it is. We don't touch that. If it's a medical grow and they sell to a dispensary, that's outside of our initiative."

Jones said the Prop. 19 campaign tried similar tactics but was unsuccessful. She said there is a common fear among medical cannabis dispensary owners and the people who grow for them that legalization would hurt their business.

"We did have some (medical cannabis) growers that understood that their profit margin wasn't worth putting people in prison, but I don't know if we will ever get them all," she said. "I'd rather focus on getting the mainstream voters. The growers could vote yes, go legit, continue to make a living, and also pay a little more in taxes for their kids' public education."

Gray also sees the challenge of getting the medical cannabis community's vote. But he said he thinks the initiative can win without their support.

"Yes, some people presently in the medical marijuana dispensary business will vote against our initiative because they want to protect their market share," he said. "And from an economic standpoint, they may be right. But the vast number of people who are involved in this, from a patient standpoint, from a law enforcement standpoint, from a parental standpoint, they will see the benefits from the strictly regulated sale of marijuana. And they will vote for this if we do our jobs right."

The Legislative Analyst's Office said that depending on the response of the federal government, the proposed law could save tens of millions of dollars annually by lowering incarceration rates and raise hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes.

In June, U.S. Reps. Ron Paul of Texas and Barney Frank of Massachusetts introduced legislation that would allow states to tax and regulate cannabis without interference from the federal government. However, as California Watch recently reported, the Department of Justice has intensified its efforts to crack down on cannabis production in California.

Supporters have until Dec. 19 to collect the more than a half-million signatures needed to put the initiative on the ballot. If passed in the November 2012 election, using cannabis while driving a car or at work, or providing cannabis to a minor, would remain illegal.

Joshua Emerson Smith is an investigative reporter for California Watch, a project of the non-profit Center for Investigative Reporting. Find more California Watch stories here.

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anthonytaurus
don't f&f me. you dont' know what I'll say next
03:27 PM on 08/25/2011
The medical cannabis community does NOT consist of business owners looking to turn a profit.

Businesses are out to make money. That's it. There's nothing wrong with it. But, in this case, to advocate for continued imprisonment of people for nothing other than marijuana in an effort to protect your profits is DISGUSTING. It is also no different than the mentality shared by local, state, and federal authorities as well as the criminal element.

However, the medical community does consist of people who NEED marijuana for medical purposes.

Anyone claiming that the medical marijuana community would be hurt by this measure is NO part of the medical marijuana community.

Yes, your profits will be hurt in the long run. The profits of growers will also be hurt in the long run. But the marijuana movement was NEVER meant to stop only at medical marijuana. It was important to get help to the people that need it. But, it will not stop to protect your pockets.

But, you will survive. You just don't know how yet. Send me an email and I'll point you to someone who can consult on your next steps should this become a reality. ([myname] at hotmail)
08:14 PM on 08/09/2011
The medical cannabis community needs to get on board and pull their collective heads out of their behinds. It is more than obvious the feds are going to go after them so their "business" is NOT safe. That being said if Cali as a state can put the feds behing the 8-ball problem may be solved. Judge Gray is a wise man...he undertands it would be almost impossible to seat a jury to convict.

I am somewhat shocked at the Medical Cannabis community as it relates to a lack of support...looks like bogarting to me! They better watch it because if they keep causing initiatives to fail they may very well loose the support of those that got them theirs so to speak.

This will be interesting and hope Cali can do it....it is obvious the feds are idiots so the states are going to have to run with this.
07:26 PM on 08/08/2011
The Best Dispensaries could still stay in business.... The will STILL be people who, for one reason or another, either do not want to or cannot grow medicine for themselves.. It will be great for those people to be able to obtain high-quality Medical Marijuana.... Eventually, also, more people will consume Marijuana, due to legal safety, which could increase the maket demand as well.

It is not so Black-and-white...
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Angel Whitebird
Invest in America..Buy a Congressman!
02:29 PM on 08/08/2011
Its kind of ironic you posted this .Just after I read about the Napa Valley winery owners put a kybosh on a dispensary that was trying to open up in the valley. ..The ole boys club " here. dont want it..Because it would interfere with their lame "wine tastings"!!..Yes they will support you getting drunk after wine tasting at five wineries,,But heaven forbid if you smoke a joint!
07:28 PM on 08/08/2011
Yes, the Alcohol people could do without Marijuana Proliferation of any type. lol.. Whether it is Annheiser-Busch, or local Wineries.. All of which are filled with people who use Pot, as well, lol....
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Nobody78
A little left of Center
02:22 PM on 08/08/2011
The Baggers and Republican­s want smaller government­, well heres your chance.
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Minimax
Just a tourist
03:07 AM on 08/08/2011
If there's one thing the libertarians and the liberals can agree on it's this. And what a great precident it would be for everyone to sit down and smoke. A new meaning for "tea party."
REDSTATEREFUGEE
Texan by birth ; Californian by choice
07:08 PM on 08/07/2011
Hopefully, this time around, young people, who mainly use MJ, will manage to keep up with all the ballot initiatives and show up to vote, unlike last year, when, according to an informal poll of sixty of my students, only 10% voted and a like number knew about Prop Nineteen.

As an old f.....t in the pre-marijuana generation, I do not use the stuff, although I consider it no more harmful than alcohol and would like to see it decriminalized. What I do feel passionate about, however, is the need to for the state to license regulated MJ stores, similar to those dispensing alcohol right now. I am attracted to the notion of taxing the heck out of it and allowing our police to concentrate on other crimes, including sales of harder street drugs, like meth and crack.
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J Craig Canada
12:25 PM on 08/08/2011
Why would young adults vote for Prop. 19 or care about it? It didn't remove a single crime from the books, in fact it added one, for young adults.
Sean Porter
I support the right to arm bears.
03:13 PM on 08/08/2011
J Craig, do the people of Colorado a favor and please keep your "stoners for prohibtion" stuff in California and don't meddle in the efforts of the good people in Colorado that want legalization in 2012.
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04:11 PM on 08/08/2011
Keep that B.S. out of California, too. It was greedy growers like you that caused Californians to keep being persecuted for consuming a near-harmless plant FAR less harmful than alcohol. We will take notice of you low-lifes next year, and protest outside your dispensaries to make sure you don't con your customers into voting against marijuana re-legalization. Just despicable!
07:32 PM on 08/08/2011
Concentrating on netting Meth People is a valuable thing to do. Some Rural areas of Northern California are fraught with unstable Tweekers - Just one bad Egg.... They can ruin their own lives, their families lives, and whole neighborhoods.. Potheads usually sit around - eat snacks - and maybe a TV show. A little frisbee if it is a Sativa high.. lol..
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oneyippie
Leaning far to your left
01:21 PM on 08/07/2011
Why is it so important that they remove the "profit" motive from growing cannabis?

Our economy needs more small business like grows that employ a few people. So what if they actually MAKE SOME MONEY and pay taxes on that income?

Here in California it's still a crime to make a profit from medical cannabis. All thanks to Prop 215, cause Dennis Peron thought it wasn't right to make money from medicine. So now the Feds are going to shut down every cannabis related biz bringing in profits.

It's legal in Colorado to make a profit from the sale of medical cannabis, but not California. This needs to change. I always thought profit was the American way. Why not with pot?
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02:35 PM on 08/07/2011
Of course, there is no legitimate reason why people shouldn't make a profit from selling marijuana. There is no rational argument for making it the ONLY thing in the world that can't be traded normally on the marketplace. Peron and others inserted this piece of nonsense because they thought it would make it more palatable to voters.

Ironically, the huge profits being made on marijuana now were part of the reason Prop 19 failed. Most of the present astronomical price is due to the prohibition premium - that amount that compensates for the risk growers and vendors take. This gold mine was just too much for some to give up, so some vendors were actually campaigning AGAINST Prop 19 (with bogus arguments, of course). -- This is a thorny problem that will have to be carefully addressed in the campaign next year.
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J Craig Canada
12:10 PM on 08/08/2011
"Here in California it's still a crime to make a profit from medical cannabis. All thanks to Prop 215, cause Dennis Peron thought it wasn't right to make money from medicine. So now the Feds are going to shut down every cannabis related biz bringing in profits."

You don't have a clue what you're talking about. Not a clue.
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ReelBusy
I'm the Ghost of Hollywood Past
11:45 PM on 08/06/2011
Prohibition is a failed public policy.
11:37 PM on 08/06/2011
regulation, law and ..........

the best think can happen to the beautifull nature.
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dbrett480
07:23 PM on 08/06/2011
I thought they already did this with Prop. 19. Marijuana can't affect your memory that much.
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ReelBusy
I'm the Ghost of Hollywood Past
11:45 PM on 08/06/2011
You may not have noticed but Prop 19 lost last year.
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01:50 AM on 08/07/2011
There was 52 percent public approval of re-legalizing marijuana going into Prop 19. Then, with the triple-whammy October surprises, it was beat down to a die-hard core of 46 percent.

One of those surprises was Schwarzenegger's downgrading of marijuana possession from a misdemeanor to an infraction. In all his years as governor, he vetoed every marijuana reform legislation that came to his desk. The only reason he did this was to take the steam out of the support for Prop 19.

It worked, but it also gave reform a great victory. Reducing marijuana possession to an infraction removes the worst aspect of the fraudulent prohibition - the "criminal" record. This victory has moved us well down the road toward a rational marijuana policy.

Prop 19 also raised awareness around the country, and the world, of the insane destruction of marijuana prohibition. Support is now near 60 percent in the western states. California isn't the only state moving toward re-legalization for ALL adults.

The campaign also learned important lessons last year, especially in getting support from other groups, like they did with the labor unions and the NAACP.

There is no stopping an idea whose time has come. - California, and a few other states, will likely re-legalize marijuana next year. Most of the other states, and the feds, will follow soon after.

People are saying it. The Emperor wears no clothes.
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dbrett480
02:09 AM on 08/07/2011
I know they lost (and not by a small margin), that is why I'm confused as to why they are trying again.
11:25 AM on 08/07/2011
Prop 19 failed to include regulation, and taxation
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pixiepotpie
If you can buy an election, you can pay more taxes
12:44 PM on 08/07/2011
That would have sunk it even more.
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01:30 AM on 08/08/2011
It was provided for. The details were just left for localities to decide.
05:55 PM on 08/06/2011
Both California and Colorado are mounting efforts to legalize marijuana in 2012.

California – Regulate Marijuana Like Wine
http://regulatemarijuanalikewine.com/

Colorado – Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol
http://www.regulatemarijuana.org/

Does anyone know if any of the other states ( Oregon, Washington ) are going to attempt legalization in 2012?
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J Craig Canada
12:35 PM on 08/08/2011
I know that there's another initiative vying for the November ballot, The Jack Herer Initiative. You ever hear of Jack Herer? www.cchhi2012.org
03:43 PM on 08/06/2011
So much saner that clogging our prisons with "substance" offenders. Remember, it costs $45,000 a year per prisoner. And, you have to factor in Court costs, attorney fees for indigent defendants. Should be a no brainer.
03:33 PM on 08/06/2011
Get it done this time, California!

So you can lead the way for the rest of the country.

Those of us in the Mid-West depend on California to pass Social Reform Issues that will influence the rest of the country.
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pixiepotpie
If you can buy an election, you can pay more taxes
12:50 PM on 08/07/2011
Lead the way in destroying a viable income for a "little" farmer, like we've done to every other crop in the country? Why wouldn't we want to stall that as long as possible? It is nice to see California Not being scapegoated for a change though.
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01:31 AM on 08/08/2011
Little farmer? You mean greed-blinded growers who don't care the astronomical prices they charge are built on the blood of their fellow citizens. Nice.
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J Craig Canada
01:47 PM on 08/06/2011
The Jack Herer Initiative: http://www.cchhi2012.org/

How is it you completely omitted any mention of this initiative or its proponents?
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ReelBusy
I'm the Ghost of Hollywood Past
11:49 PM on 08/06/2011
Because the people behind this initiative collect money but never enough signatures get on a ballot.