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Home Prices Rise, But Likely Haven't Touched Bottom Yet, Report Finds

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The Huffington Post   First Posted: 08/09/11 07:37 PM ET Updated: 10/09/11 06:12 AM ET

If a turnaround in the housing market actually is a necessary precondition to a broader recovery, the recovery could be on hold for some time.

With the housing market still struggling to recover from the financial crisis, home prices have risen modestly in nearly 100 regional markets, but remain low at the national level, according to a report released Monday from the real estate company Zillow.

A number of forces are delaying a recovery in the housing market, including high unemployment, a glut of foreclosures, and tight credit standards for borrowers. Market pressures have kept home prices low, which damages homeowner wealth in turn.

Prices rose a bit in the second quarter of 2011, according to Zillow, but only in 94 of the 154 regional markets that Zillow tracks. Some of the country’s largest markets experienced appreciation, including Chicago, Dallas, Detroit and Washington, D.C. But prices slipped in a number of other major markets, including New York, Los Angeles and Phoenix.

Overall, the market hasn’t touched bottom yet, Zillow chief economist Stan Humphries told The Huffington Post.

"We’re probably going to see some weakness in the back half of this year, once the strong spring and summer homebuying season ends," said Humphries. But, he said, “we think that these numbers make it much more likely that we’re going to see a definitive bottom in 2012."

At the national level, home prices are down 0.4 percent for the quarter and 6.2 percent from the same time last year. The drop of 0.4 percent is the smallest quarterly decline in four years, says Zillow. But that’s coming off the first quarter of 2011, when home prices fell to their lowest levels since 2008.

The big plunge in the first quarter happened because the market was adjusting to the expiration of the Federal Homebuyer Tax Credit, said Humphries. Now, in the markets where home prices are moving up, they’re doing so without the help of the tax-credit stimulus. That means we're seeing “organic demand" in those markets, he said.

Zillow’s numbers broadly match those recently released by the firms CoreLogic and Case-Shiller, which show that home prices increased slightly in spring and early summer but remain significantly lower than a year ago.

While the second-quarter price rises are encouraging, Humphries pointed out that recent events -- including the Washington gridlock over the debt ceiling, Standard & Poor’s downgrade of the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and Monday’s stock sell-off that caused the Dow to drop more than 600 points -- are likely to take their toll on housing down the line.

“In cases of economic turmoil, people’s first reaction generally is to hunker down,” he said. “Consumer confidence will undoubtedly take a hit as well. Lower consumer confidence means that people are going to be less likely to go out and buy homes.”

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If a turnaround in the housing market actually is a necessary precondition to a broader recovery, the recovery could be on hold for some time. With the housing market still struggling to recover fr...
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08:04 AM on 08/11/2011
Housing is still above the long term trend line vs. Median household income. Another 15 pt to go and we are at that point only at normal pricing.

But that doesn't account for the fact that people can't sell a house so if they y, they are stuck with that house for years. It also doesn't account for the fact that few people feel they can commit to thirty years of debt due to job instability. Finally, with the fed and banks using the price of food and gas and oil up, cost of living is going up when wages are not. This also makes housing expensive.

Then there area the INSANE property taxes....taxes which shouldn't even exits (fee for services broken down only).
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08:09 PM on 08/10/2011
in some areas of the states prices are rising only because the banks are dozing down many houses to artificially inflate the prices of the remaining homes. They are practicing what is called, Market Manipulation. And no one is saying or doing a thing about it. How wonderful it is in America. Oh, I cant get the profit I want, I will just destroy everything until the price goes up..
Sounds like Harvard MBA is running the show.
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08:12 PM on 08/10/2011
how about if Farmers do the same. They just burn crops, kill cattle and poultry and dump milk into the fields to reduce supply and drive up the prices. That would work, but I'm sure the gov would complain. That is unless it was Cargil, ADM or ConAgral doing it. But the banks are doing the equivalent by tearing down good quality homes to boost prices on the rest, and no one seems to care
07:30 PM on 08/10/2011
WH announced that they want to rent 250,000 homes.

There goes the housing value

DROPPPPP
10:16 PM on 08/10/2011
Agreed! Who wants to live next door to someone who's just renting and who has no incentive to keep up repairs on the place? No one!

Not to mention that this will probably have a negative effect on other rental properties. What Obama SHOULD do is to sell them -cheap- and immediately! Thousands of families will drop tens of thousands of dollars overnight to grab up these places. Then they'll go out and buy furniture, lawnmowers, etc. further spurring growth and driving our economy. And while local property values will take a hit in the short term, the block also won't have vacant houses on it anymore, it won't have boarded up windows or un-mowed lawns anymore and the city will collect more in property taxes going forward!

Obama's trying to make the economy swim against the current but when you swim against the current, you don't go anywhere! We need to reverse course, dump all the foreclosures on the market while interest rates are still low, and allow the housing market to hit bottom. That puts people in houses, eliminates blight, increases tax revenue, spurs spending (paint, curtains, etc.) and gets these properties off the banks books!

Of course, I actually want Obama out of office so renting 250,000 houses to the lowest common denominator and tanking property values in those areas seems like a great way to do it!

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02:04 PM on 08/10/2011
Home values are way overinflated because some people and all banks would like everyone else to think that their homes are worth more than they are. Too bad but no one is buying it --literally and figuratively.
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02:49 PM on 08/10/2011
Thats right. And the Housing Crime Syndicate operators are desperately attempting to keep them inflated. And they're failing.
12:38 PM on 08/10/2011
There tracking the market using zillow! :o.
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01:37 PM on 08/10/2011
The Case-Shiller Index is far more accurate. Zillow is a bad joke looking for hits to sell advertising.
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01:49 PM on 08/10/2011
CS overstates prices. CoreLogic is a more accurate index.
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11:25 AM on 08/10/2011
The business of real estate isn't rocket science. If it were there would be far fewer real estate professionals. I have had a long career in the industry, and I am not going into space any time soon.

When anyone with an average income can afford to buy a house, and the cost is less than renting, they will. As long as employment is lagging, foreclosures are surging and housing inventory remains high, prices will continue to fall. They are a long way from hitting bottom in many markets.

About the only thing that would help is to increase the number of potential buyers. Some of our most responsible citizens have taken hits to credit ratings which will keep them out of the market for another seven years. I propose a credit score moratorium. If your credit rating has dropped due to being un or under employed or because of a health issue, anything resulting from those events must be removed from your credit report.

A person who faithfully paid a mortgage for fifteen years without being late should not be dinged because Wall Street binged on mortgage backed securities and their employer had to cut back. A family with a high risk pregnancy and inadequate insurance should not be excluded from the market for seven years if up to that time their credit had been sterling.

This suggestion would not cost the government a dime and would hasten the recovery of the housing market significantly.
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11:32 AM on 08/10/2011
A "recovery in housing" is dramatically lower prices by definition. Thus, prices have a very very long way to fall before housing recovers.
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12:31 PM on 08/10/2011
Depends entirely on the area. Where I live, in a small Southern city, we never experienced a bubble, and most mortgages came through our local banks. As a result, property values are on the rise and there have been statistically far fewer foreclosures.

In 2005 many of my neighbors were looking enviously at those who bought second homes at the beach in the early 90's right after Hugo hit and whose property was now worth five times as much. In 2011 we are looking at those same people with sympathetic eyes because they are stuck with high dollar refinanced mortgages on properties which are worth about what they were when they were purchased.
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01:21 PM on 08/10/2011
Re your comment about my lack of solutions at another post. Since you have replied to my post here, you have obviously read my solution. I would like to know yours.
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11:57 AM on 08/10/2011
well, it is as of right now, lower to buy a home price wise than it is to rent in my area..so, by your definitions my area has hit bottom..so that being said most areas have a long way to go before they do..I say this because homes did not over inflate in my state like they did in others, they were over inflated by 10%..not 25-70% like some states and areas..that being said i have bad news for everyone..my homes value as is at the same level it was in 1996.. It now cost more to rent than to buy..I know this for a fact..I have a friend, looking at homes now that were not in here reach a couple years ago, but now are, and she would pay $350 less a month than she pays for her 2 bed apartment. She is looking at 3 bed 2 bath homes..
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12:15 PM on 08/10/2011
Prices were grossly inflated in 1996 so you have more losses to take.
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10:37 AM on 08/10/2011
all, i know is that homes in my area thanks to all these new foreclosures released this spring, and it was a lot, have driven the homes down to levels that of 1996..but they seemed to release a lot of homes all over my state in one well fell swoop..makes me wonder if they just go around state by state and make bulk foreclosure drops..yet when you look at zillows it tells me my home value went up..but then you look at the recent home sales on zillows website, and there is no way it went up! that reason alone makes me not want to listen to anything they say..homes sell based off recent sales in your area, so how zillows can say my value went up is beyond me!
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11:31 AM on 08/10/2011
Your shack's "value" is only what someone is willing to pay for it. And reality suggests that number is a small fraction of what you think it is.
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11:43 AM on 08/10/2011
I don't live in a shack..I live in 4bd, 4 bath home, in a quite suburb..and I think that's pretty much what i said is it not..Zillows can not tell me my home went up, when you look at recent sales..the price is lower way lower than what zillows states based off recent sales!
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12:40 PM on 08/10/2011
oh, so you only read the first sentence and not the rest..lol..finish reading I said.."No, i will just most likely pay off large chunks at a time for the next few years, getting my balance lower, so i don't feel so burdened.." and chapter 13 is not a free ride, you pay back your debt minus the interest, it is not chapter 7, that's what banks, and corporations file to not pay back their debts..you can not longer keep a home in chapter 7..you would have to file chapter 13 and pay your home off in 5 years minus the interest!
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12:54 PM on 08/10/2011
So dump even more money into a rapidly depreciating house?

Sounds like a great plan.
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06:50 PM on 08/10/2011
That's not entirely true about the 13 "pay off your home in 5 years". You have 5-years to divvy up the ARREARAGE and pay off in monthly payments, along with continuing to make your current monthly payments. In a 7 you can still keep your house, if you are current and do a ride-through or if you are behind, get caught up somehow (fat chance) or get a loan mod (fat chance) or investigate the problems with your loan and sue in an adversary proceeding (both 7 and 13). Banks and corporations usually file an 11. But individuals can too. Pros and cons to each plan. Do NOT hire a "bankruptcy mill" attorney if you want to fight for your home. Look for a Max Gardner Bootcamp graduate. They UNDERSTAND securitization and servicing fraud & can put forth the best arguments.
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09:12 AM on 08/10/2011
In my town, the biggest problem with home values are property taxes. Homes worth $350,000 have taxes of $12,000/ yr.
If a person puts down 20% or $70,000, their entire equity or life savings will be confiscated by the local government within 6 years.
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09:24 AM on 08/10/2011
And strangely enough, there isn't a house on the planet worth $350k.
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10:35 AM on 08/10/2011
Statements like that are telling. NO house on the planet? Really?
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lrobb
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11:35 AM on 08/10/2011
A house is worth precisely what a willing buyer and seller agree it is, and the price can be supported by an appraisal.

If it cost more than $350,000 in labor and materials to build a house, that house obviously has to sell for more than $350,000.

Care to clarify your comment?
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08:35 AM on 08/10/2011
Nationally the value of all houses dropped 6.2% from a year ago during the last quarter. There are still one million houses on the market, which is three times the number needed to cover six months of sales. And there are one million more that are under water, dropping in value and probably not eligible for refinance.

Its a terrible situation in two regards. Construction usually is a contributor to pull the economy out of recession but construction jobs will be on the sideline due to the glut of houses. Secondly, Many current home owners will lose their home. Very sad times.
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03:20 AM on 08/10/2011
What in the world would cause the housing market to "recover" to unrealistic bubble prices when banks are no longer giving out loans to anyone with a pulse? How can the average person ever again buy a 3/2 rancher in So Cal for $900K? Why is getting back to those times considered to be a good goal?
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08:39 AM on 08/10/2011
"Recover" does not mean to get back to the bubble valuations. It refers to a stabilization of prices. Banks are extremely opposed to lending to refinances or new finances when the value of homes is still dropping. Its not entirely about deadbeats "with a pulse". Its about millions of human beings losing their homes.
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09:25 AM on 08/10/2011
False.

A "housing recovery" is dramatically lower prices by definition.
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10:36 AM on 08/10/2011
Believe me, I don't want people to lose their homes, but what do we do about the fact that they are in homes they can't pay for anymore? Things will not stabilize until the prices get back in line with what people are being paid.
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03:17 AM on 08/10/2011
Rise how is that possible? Oh I get it just in time for the states whose credit will be degraded to squeeze more in tax dollars out of you. Everybody I talked to this week was trying to squeeze extra dollars out of me. The cable company tried to be slick, bottle neck my internet connection to sell my a higher speed internet.
01:19 AM on 08/10/2011
Obama Administration needs to act and give all the vacant and foreclosed homes to the needy.
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07:20 AM on 08/10/2011
WoW!
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09:08 AM on 08/10/2011
So the people that got kicked out of their homes were not in need ?
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12:45 AM on 08/10/2011
The downward trend for prices will continue irrespective of the small upward bumps on the road. This is a long and proper market correction, now if only everyone would get out of the way it would happen sooner.
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03:17 AM on 08/10/2011
I agree with you. Why does anything think that prices will go back to the bubble highs, when anyone could get a loan? How is that ever going to be possible? And why should it be the aim?
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12:12 AM on 08/10/2011
Bernanke said today interest rates are staying low through 2013. So much for the hurry up and buy in 2011 before rates go up pressure.
11:52 PM on 08/09/2011
Imagine that a house listing for less than 25K in Detroit.DAMN WEALTHY are having a heyday in Short Sales
Short Sales are Booming when foreclosure and bankruptcies are looming.
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